Your typing of forum members (archived '11-'14)

Maritsa, if you take another jab at Minde that she didn't provoke, I will ban you from any thread in which that happens. Cut it out.

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Originally Posted by Kim

Maritsa, if you take another jab at Minde that she didn't provoke, I will ban you from any thread in which that happens. Cut it out.

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And Snaps too?

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

I'm not; I just couldn't see (I mean really see) that you were getting what I was saying. I feel like sometimes when people put up barriers, that I try to find another way around, but I've come to learn that people's barriers are not crossed easily LOL.

In my eyes, I was trying to get you to see things my way.

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What in particular did you think that I was not getting?

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Originally Posted by Shayley

What in particular did you think that I was not getting?

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That you were associating Se with something hostile and mean when I was trying to explain that that's not what it is.

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Originally Posted by Kim

Maritsa, if you take another jab at Minde that she didn't provoke, I will ban you from any thread in which that happens. Cut it out.

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Oh, and I finalized your type as SEE

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

And Snaps too?

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Keep it up and keep wondering why people doubt you are a "Humanist."

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Originally Posted by Kim

Keep it up and keep wondering why people doubt you are a "Humanist."

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I don't pay attention to that, again you're throwing a social cue at me. What is important to me is following my own internal ideal. I really don't care about what others as a group think. I can find people who are smart enough to tell otherwise. I have already, Eliza Thompson (IEE); Cbelle (IEE); Handi (IEE) and the countless other SLI.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

That you were associating Se with something hostile and mean when I was trying to explain that that's not what it is.

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I have both an admiration for Se and a dislike at times as I admire those who can get out there and achieve thier desires & ambitions, for this is something which I kind of fail at but I guess I also have learnt that it is mostly the pressuring or pushy ones who are those who manage to accomplish their desires in life.

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Originally Posted by Shayley

I have both an admiration for Se and a dislike at times as I admire those who can get out there and achieve thier desires & ambitions, for this is something which I kind of fail at but I guess I also have learnt that it is mostly the pressuring or pushy ones who are those who manage to accomplish their desires in life.

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Well, my brother is SEE type and in him I've observed the lack of desire and ambition or drive to do things; in him, I've observed lack of hostility or pushiness, at times in his life; and other stereotypes that are associated with SEE that I've tried to spell out throughout the years.

But one thing's for sure, once some people have decided something must be antagonized in order for something else to be viewed as good in a very black and white moralistic judgement, it's hard or almost impossible to convince them that things are otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

Well, my brother is SEE type and in him I've observed the lack of desire and ambition or drive to do things; in him, I've observed lack of hostility or pushiness, at times in his life; and other stereotypes that are associated with SEE that I've tried to spell out throughout the years.

But one thing's for sure, once some people have decided something must be antagonized in order for something else to be viewed as good in a very black and white moralistic judgement, it's hard or almost impossible to convince them that things are otherwise.

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To me there is no one function which is better than the others as all have things which I like and dislike about them including Se.

What I was attempting to say can on this occasion I feel be better shown from a segment of the television show The Voice:

http://www.thevoice.com.au/video.htm..._clip1493_2043

At 3:20 mins Maya who I think is an Se type begs for a chance saying that she will prove it to Joel, that she will do better and she displays a confidence that she can. Joel says something along the lines to Maya that she has the 'fight'.

Maya took action and had willpower to strive for what she wanted which was to win the battle quest. While I admire her trying to achieve her desire I at the same time dislike the applied pressure and felt it was unfair, especially for the other girl.

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Originally Posted by Kim

Maritsa, if you take another jab at Minde that she didn't provoke, I will ban you from any thread in which that happens. Cut it out.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

And Snaps too?

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

Oh, and I finalized your type as SEE

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Lul.

me.

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Originally Posted by William

You know, there are some people who are both introverted as well as socially conscious.

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I get drained by social interaction but am hyperaware of social balances/situations/power/rules/dynamics.

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Originally Posted by William

I know. And on the flip side, there are extraverts who are not socially conscious either. ;)

In my experience, anyone who tries to be more socially conscious and actively works on people-skills tends to improve greatly. I would say being 'socially conscious' or not is more of a decision than a predisposition.

So, in other words, I'm not buying into your 'that's just not me' as an excuse to be belligerent to the opinions of others. While self-confidence is important, blatantly ignoring others' feedback will not improve likability.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

What type am I?

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most probably INFP or ENFP

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Originally Posted by Sol

most probably INFP or ENFP

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lol

Lul. Re-type your dual, Maritsa.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

lol

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It's good when the truth brings the joy. :) I've told you already my opinion, I hope you you'll remember your type better this time.

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Originally Posted by Absurd

Lul. Re-type your dual, Maritsa.

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She is not my dual and can't type correctly even herself, same like you.

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Originally Posted by Sol

It's good when the truth brings the joy. :) I've told you already my opinion, I hope you you'll remember your type better this time.

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And I've told you before, your subjective opinions, do not really bother me in the slightest for they are subjective. Save them for interpreting art and film. So keep your emotions where they belong, not matter what they are, you big pussy.

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She is not my dual and can't type correctly even herself, same like you.

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She isn't one of mine either, and if she isn't one of my either and says so herself, but states you're her dual, so I'm not your identical nor her dual. Easy as one, two, tree.

You're correct about something...

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Originally Posted by Sol

She is not my dual and can't type correctly even herself, same like you.

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Sol, I'm not ENFp because I don't have an Ep temperament; Maybe, if I had Te mobilizing, I would be able to watch and figure out what people are doing or actions around me; because I'm not I really can't do that well and miss all kinds of actions around me. I'm calm and not very energetic; I'm very passive. And, I'm not Ip temperament because I like stability, not very adaptive and go with the flow; I'm also not INFp because I don't need to put people down to look better. I'm not into power dynamics of the Beta quadrant.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

I'm also not INFp because I don't need to put people down to look better.

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that is condescending and inaccurately portrays INFps

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Originally Posted by nanashi

that is condescending and inaccurately portrays INFps

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What is your interpretation of that type?

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

What is your interpretation of that type?

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that they are not by virtue of their personality type doomed to need to put people down to feel better.

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Originally Posted by nanashi

that they are not by virtue of their personality type doomed to need to put people down to feel better.

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How will they establish themselves in a hierarchical status or position?

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

How will they establish themselves in a hierarchical status or position?

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Socionicz majigz.

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Originally Posted by nanashi

that is condescending and inaccurately portrays INFps

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What is funny is that I believe she is referring to me because of you. haha

Maritsa, I need not "put people down" to "look better." I put you down because I was perfectly polite to you until you decided to say that you don't know how people "can stand" me me because I am so "sinister and mean" for quoting you. That makes you fair game. I also criticize you because I firmly believe that you pretend to care for people far more than you actually do. It's sickeningly superficial and actually quite hurtful to people who come to believe that you sincerely care about them. You don't care about them or their well-being you care about your notion of people and whether or not it proves to be accurate or successful.

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

What is funny is that I believe she is referring to me because of you. haha

Maritsa, I need not "put people down" to "look better." I put you down because I was perfectly polite to you until you decided to say that you don't know how people "can stand" me me because I am so "sinister and mean" for quoting you. That makes you fair game. I also criticize you because I firmly believe that you pretend to care for people far more than you actually do. It's sickeningly superficial and actually quite hurtful to people who come to believe that you sincerely care about them. You don't care about them or their well-being you care about your notion of people and whether or not it proves to be accurate or successful.

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That's only partly true. Why should I care about someone who hurts me on purpose? I'm not a victim type and I'm not gonna let ppl do that to me to later on complain about it; if ppl want to be that way then they can put up with me being mean. If ppl -aren't going to be nice to me they don't deserve my niceness.

Obviously, your actions and behavior hurt my feelings even if to you it was perfectly harmless and pair play.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

That's only partly true. Why should I care about someone who hurts me on purpose? I'm not a victim type and I'm not gonna let ppl do that to me to later on complain about it; if ppl want to be that way then they can put up with me being mean. If ppl -aren't going to be nice to me they don't deserve my niceness.

Obviously, your actions and behavior hurt my feelings even if to you it was perfectly harmless and pair play.

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...My actions? When have I ever resorted to ad hominem attacks like "I don't know how anyone can stand you?" Never. Who says something like that and then goes on to call someone "honey" and "sweetie" and tell them "I'm worried about you." That's madness. These are the actions of someone who forms extremely superficial relationships with people. It's Stepford-wifesque.

I point out flaws in your argumentation and you simply cannot handle it. I'm not attempting to hurt you. You're over-sensitive and probably a little bit intellectually insecure, which is why you *cannot* respond to counter arguments.

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

...My actions? When have I ever resorted to ad hominem attacks like "I don't know how anyone can stand you?" Never.

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So you can't accept the fact that other people have different emotional responses and have different sensitivity to different things?

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

Who says something like that and then goes on to call someone "honey" and "sweetie" and tell them "I'm worried about you." That's madness. These are the actions of someone who forms extremely superficial relationships with people. It's Stepford-wifesque.

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Some time had past since you were mean and I thought I'd see if forming less superficial relations were suitable but I guess not.

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

I point out flaws in your argumentation and you simply cannot handle it. I'm not attempting to hurt you. You're over-sensitive and probably a little bit intellectually insecure, which is why you *cannot* respond to counter arguments.

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No one has all the answers.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

So you can't accept the fact that other people have different emotional responses and have different sensitivity to different things?

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I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this. This has nothing to do with you resorting to personal attacks.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

Some time had past since you were mean and I thought I'd see if forming less superficial relations were suitable but I guess not.

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Since I was mean? Excuse me? You're the one who told me that I'm "sinister and mean" and that you don't know how "anybody can stand (me)." I offered you constructive criticism about taking time to question your own conclusions and consider their flaws. You specifically said this to me because I quoted this conversation:

[12:45 AM] maritsa333: so you know
[12:45 AM] maritsa333: respect my boundaries
[12:45 AM] maritsa333: and I won't tell you how to view the world around you
[12:45 AM] scapegrace: But it's not a science. Nobody respectable takes it seriously.
[12:45 AM] maritsa333: I don't care how you see it
[12:45 AM] k0rpsionics: it's far too late to play that card.
[12:45 AM] maritsa333: or how the world defines things
[12:46 AM] maritsa333: To ME it's what I want it to be

But I'm the mean one. For copying and pasting a chat conversation into the forum quotes thread. Okay.

By the way, calling someone "honey" and saying that you're "worried" about them when you don't mean it is the very antithesis of "less superficial." You must have meant "more superficial."

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

No one has all the answers.

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Yep. And there is a mature way to handle being wrong or not knowing the answers and an immature way of handling these things. Your response to being wrong (or even simply being challenged) involves one or both of the following: A.) resorting to ad hominem B.) pretending to "ignore" the person attempting to engage with you.

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

Yep. And there is a mature way to handle being wrong or not knowing the answers and an immature way of handling these things. Your response to being wrong (or even simply being challenged) involves one or both of the following: A.) resorting to ad hominem B.) pretending to "ignore" the person attempting to engage with you.

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When there's a chat room and more than one convo going or more than one person speaking I tend to lose track of people and their questions so to YOU it seems like I'm ignoring you but to me I didn't see it. As for ad hominem, I say things to you when you're mean to me.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

When there's a chat room and more than one convo going or more than one person speaking I tend to lose track of people and their questions so to YOU it seems like I'm ignoring you but to me I didn't see it. As for ad hominem, I say things to you when you're mean to me.

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.....I haven't complained about you "ignoring" me. Quite the opposite. I have complained about you showing an utterly insincere interest in my life. The way you do with everyone just to create this veneer that you're oh so sensitive and caring. When it *counts* when people are really having a difficult time and opening up you've actually proven to be quite a jerk. However, you do pretend to put people on ignore when you can't respond to their arguments. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

And by being "mean to you", you mean challenging your assertions. That is not "mean" that is an important part of intellectual development. To learn how to challenge your own ideas and to argue for them. Calling someone an "idiot" as you so often like to do to me and telling them that you "don't know how anyone can stand" them is mean.

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

.....I haven't complained about you "ignoring" me. Quite the opposite. I have complained about you showing an utterly insincere interest in my life. The way you do with everyone just to create this veneer that you're oh so sensitive and caring. When it *counts* when people are really having a difficult time and opening up you've actually proven to be quite a jerk. However, you do pretend to put people on ignore when you can't respond to their arguments. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

And by being "mean to you", you mean challenging your assertions. That is not "mean" that is an important part of intellectual development. To learn how to challenge your own ideas and to argue for them. Calling someone an "idiot" as you so often like to do to me and telling them that you "don't know how anyone can stand" them is mean.

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I got details of your life from my ex SO. I feel bad and I didn't know what level of sensitivity you had to discussing those things; in MY case i don't like to discuss that with others and I usually refrain from scratching wounds of others because of how I view the world.

You really have a difficult time staying on topic, don't you?

And that's really fucking sneaky: attempting to make me mad at Jadae.

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in MY case i don't like to discuss that with others and I usually refrain from scratching wounds of others because of how I view the world.

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Well yes usually maybe, but sometimes you can be directly insulting. Also don't you realize that you playing the victim is just an indirect, more manipulative but still same outcome way of scratching the wound in others. Why on earth is Scapegrace the bigger bitch just because she's more blunt about it?

Just stop. Individuals will choose to genuinely feel sorry for you or not on their own accord, but you scheme it and it's getting old. I have defended you in the past but you have still yet to apologize to me for calling me a pussy. Stop portraying yourself as this Fi ego empathy martyr.

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

.....I haven't complained about you "ignoring" me. Quite the opposite. I have complained about you showing an utterly insincere interest in my life. The way you do with everyone just to create this veneer that you're oh so sensitive and caring. When it *counts* when people are really having a difficult time and opening up you've actually proven to be quite a jerk. However, you do pretend to put people on ignore when you can't respond to their arguments. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

And by being "mean to you", you mean challenging your assertions. That is not "mean" that is an important part of intellectual development. To learn how to challenge your own ideas and to argue for them. Calling someone an "idiot" as you so often like to do to me and telling them that you "don't know how anyone can stand" them is mean.

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Don't let her bother you.

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Originally Posted by Scapegrace

And that's really fucking sneaky: attempting to make me mad at Jadae.

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Look at the bright side Scape, you're the center figure of two people in a relationship (ex-relationship). You're like a child they never had together for it seems Maritsa isn't your biological mother.

Someone has a crush. <3

New bf.

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