Out on the pitch, he can get pretty demonstrative emotionally (which has me wonder EIE > SLE); but, then again, that might just be part of his act. (Which, then again, kinda sounds Beta NF.)
Whatever the case, MAJOR man-crush.
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Out on the pitch, he can get pretty demonstrative emotionally (which has me wonder EIE > SLE); but, then again, that might just be part of his act. (Which, then again, kinda sounds Beta NF.)
Whatever the case, MAJOR man-crush.
Ehh no in his case I don't think so. He seems like an EJ type (even from his style of play - wingers are rarely EP types, better suited for central attack - you can compare him to Ronaldo, the brazilian one, which is ESFp and has a typical pattern for central attackers). He might be some kind of Ni-EJ, I think.
He seems Se leading...
...since he plays for Real Madrid, he's on TV now and then...
and he's a beta quadra member for sure, with weak logic, stiff movements and emotional outbursts...EIE Ni
Hey! I had never thought about it! It seems to work!Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Eheh, I think wingers' position require a sustainedly high flow of energy, while central attackers' require even higher-intensity yet shorter (time-wise) bursts. IJs and IPs are good central midfielders and defenders (I guess EJs can be good sweepers too).Quote:
Originally Posted by 1981slater
Last time i checked Ganin had him as ENFj in his VI-gallery, for whatever it's worth. Btw, what is your opinion on Beckham's type?Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Also, FDG, what about goalkeepers? I know 3 of them (and 4th might be ENTj, not sure) who are ENTjs and was wondering might the fact be type-related.
Here's Butina, the only one who is a professional amongst those 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxbBo8gHyzg
Maybe someone can find this useful.
Good definition! I was recalling the games I play with my friends and most of the time Ejs and Ips cover the wings, Ijs tend to be central defenders and Eps strikers ("attacante").Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
I was either the goalkeeper or the central striker. Good times
Beckham is Fi-ENFpQuote:
Originally Posted by Trevor
I think Beckham is Fe-INFp, and Victoria Beckham is Ti-ISTj.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1981slater
ISTp
Definitely EIE male description as per that interview.
(the kind of I beat the shit out of for being such a man whore towards good girls :p )
Ronaldo is definitely not SLI, as well.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
Yes exactly.
Lol, what a funny article, ahha
I don't know if it's this guy's bone structure or if it really is VI-related or what, but he's reminding me of Dave Franco, who I have as Fi-ISFj. Se valuing seems pretty apparent either way.
Crispy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8...aldoshorts.jpg
Oh and Crispy approves of the admiration but frowns upon the lies about his longevity
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9...onthumbsup.jpg
In all seriousness, I don't see him as Delta. If he is Beta and Kaka is EII then I don't see him being SLE. EIE is a possibility. He can be quite dramatic. I prefer Messi but then again I may be biased since I love FC Barcelona's style.
In terms of type and posititioning, that is interesting about football players. I think Pique (sorry don't know how to add special characters with my keyboard) may be an SLE (yes people say he looks like a donkey but to me he is dreamy - fun personality, those eyes, oh and he's a sweetie - "The only thing I can say is that I don’t like it when people with disabilities or handicaps are made fun of.") although he gets embarrassed by being the centre of attention, I remember that game against Lichtenstein where he and Ramos kept trying to score goals. Hilarious.
PiquéQuote:
Originally Posted by enigmadream
Lol a spanish grammar nazi, that's peculiarQuote:
Originally Posted by 1981slater
Hahaha...yeah I think said I didn't know how to do special characters with my keyboard. But I should have copied and pasted. What's done is done.
Ronaldo's LSE, with a fantastically inflated ego.
Wayne Rooney is SLE.
http://images.teamtalk.com/10/09/402...ha_2499611.jpg
LSE? Well that would explain his relationship with Kaka. Hmmm...
Rooney does make a better SLE than Cristiano.
Once more: Cristiano EIE, Rooney SLE, Kaká Fi ego
All this talk about mirrors reminds me of this Crackovia skit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keSa1A2oqo0
Translation taken from here
Cristiano is feeling down asking himself "why am I always so unlucky???"
Guti goes over and asks if he's sulking because he couldn't score in his last game.
Then Cristiano is like, "No! I was just plucking my eyebrows and accidentally made one bigger than the other! :("
Guti tries to console him and suggests he should look into the magic mirror. Ronaldo agrees but asks the it to be gentle because he has sensitive skin :P
---
Cristiano: Mirror mirror, tell me - who is the player with the smoothest skin in the world?
Mirror: You, Cristiano.
Cristiano: Mirror mirror, who is the best looking forward in the league?
Mirror: You, Cristiano.
*then Guti takes a turn*
Guti: Mirror mirror, who has the blondest highlights in the league?
Mirror: Sergio Ramos
*back to Ronaldo*
Cristiano: Mirror mirror, who is the best player in the world?
- Messi appears in the mirror -
Messi: This... the mirror couldn't tell you, jijijijijijiji!!!!
God, it annoys me when people are this effortlessly hot, lol.
Really hard to VI him just from pix tho.
Tied with Lionel Messi as the greatest soccer player in the world right now. I type him as LSI because he kinda looks like my brother (first pic).
LSI's have a very poor reputation. They have been mentioned before in a few threads and never in a good way (Nazi's, evil, German national soccer team... Anders Behring Breivik) and so I've made a thread to counter all the LSI hatred going on.
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/socc...onaldo-872.jpg
http://topnews.in/sports/files/cristiano-ronaldo_0.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxQyKyWnFeA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUF_LSVW9h0
No, he is EIE-Ni, a very clear one. Look at his primadonna personality, his approach to soccer and to life in general - terribly extraverted. Plus, he's clearly Se/Ni - excessive focus on his appearance, trying to make up for Si PoLR; competitivness but with a tinge of holding back (Ni, not Se).
A good rule of thumb: wingers are rarely static types, especially IJs.
Very interesting. What positions do you think IJ types are especially good for?Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Defensive ones. :yup:Quote:
Very interesting. What positions do you think IJ types are especially good for?
Yeah I can see that happening. My basis for his being LSI is just that one I-don't-take-shit-from-anyone look he has going in the first pic. Not in an unfriendly or a rude way, just a passive, slightly bored or annoyed look.Quote:
Look at his primadonna personality, his approach to soccer and to life in general
Actually that and I saw something and I can't remember if it was before a game or after but it was when he was with Manchester United and he was mucking around with Anderson and I remember thinking he had some serious :Se: going. Anderson was doing a mock interview and Cristian basically told him to shut up. It wasn't in that whiny eie way either and Anderson was like, "ok".
I typed him SHxT, but he can be EIE. My guess would be ESE
Well in his first picture he just has some kind of focussed look. I look like that too when I'm thinking about something, but I'm still not very LSI.
Anglas: I think he's kind of obviously a resolute type.
BTW CR7=EIE FTW
Speaking on LSIs, check the differences between LSIs and EIEs
Gonzalo Higuain: LSI, no-nonsense look
http://www.pasionalbiceleste.com.ar/...ain-721555.jpg
K. Benzama, LSI
http://diariodeporte.com/wp-content/uploads/benzema.jpg
well he is selfish
I don't think he is :Fe: leading because whenever he does break down and start crying it prompts millions of people in the world to basically think, "fucking hell, stop crying". We can't sympathize with him because it looks like (and is, although not to him) an overreaction.
Although I'm sure he is not that way in real life his emotions seem to range only from slightly annoyed to very annoyed and despair. People dislike him for that more than anything else, I think.
An "only-me-first" attitude is usually an asset in the sporting world eg. John McEnroe (could he be :Fe: leading?).
An :Fe: person has a wide range of emotions that he/she wears very plainly and very naturally. They are, initially anyway, popular and charismatic because their emotions can readily be seen and we can quickly relate to them (that's my theory). That and having ethics in their ego block (is that right?) means that they better understand what motivates us, what makes us hate, fear and love, what makes us feel envious or jealous (:Fi:) or what makes us rage or cry or feel joy :Fe:. This would apply for any ethical type over a logical one.
An example of who I think is :Fe: leading would be Gabriel Batistuta. I've made another thread about him and he has some strong :Fe: going in almost every single picture (not just my pics but pics on Google as well). He is usually wearing a big smile or a big frown or he's shouting at something (I know, he just scored, so what?). He has very few pictures where he expressionless unlike Andrea Pirlo who usually looks like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__Zkd48n7yN...1600/italy.jpg
I'm pretty sure Batistuta is an ese because he looks almost exactly like someone I know for a fact is an ese. On a different note however, it would appear according to wiki that Mr. Batistuta has some interest in coaching the Australian national team. :):?:(
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Yeah I get that.
But Pep Guardiola cried when he received an award for something... Ayrton Senna liked to have a good cry every now and then but that's because people in his sport actually died ...
Roger Federer is a serial crier. But we usually associate him with skill and class while poor Cristian gets picked on?
Pete Sampras is another great crier. Tiger Woods and David Beckham (maybe I shouldn't be including those two?).
Cristiano Ronaldo is a modern day great. Years from now we will look back and call the present day the Messi and Ronaldo years. Or maybe we will just call it the Messi years, and we will just compare his scoring and assist stats to Ronaldo's who is the only player right now who comes close (or is it better?). No one wants to see an athlete cry I agree, it's awkward, but the athletes mentioned before are branded "sensitive" or emotional.
Emotion (even if it's acting) is cool and respectable off the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by goggles
But falling over every fifteen seconds, writhing in pain, on the field? ...A little less so. :(
He not dive and cry anymore, barcelona players replace him. I heard that dani alves is nominated for oskar award.
So he's an ENFj because he takes dives on the field and cries? Sorry but that's just asinine. So, I'm not a fan of non-American football (soccer) but of what I've heard of Ronaldo, he doesn't really act in a way that's weird for a soccer player. I haven't read any evidence that would point away from ISTj, FWIW.
Guys stop discussing, he's ENFj.
SLE
that's my guess, if not than SEE>:Se: creativeQuote:
Originally Posted by Saoshyant
Starfall had posted something about him, some time ago, which she (rightfully, imho) connected to his "erotic style" - a story told by one of his exes about the way he preferred to approach girls (very indirectly a slightly gamely). Let's see if she notices this topic.
His bodily movements and style of play are also typically EJ - look at how consistently energetic yet rather stiff he is, video example, even his dribbling is painfully rational:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6onVyO1l0
compare to EP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyoHP1ZLwc
Eh, so you admit you don't know anything about soccer, yet still blurt out your opinion out of something you have "heard".Quote:
So he's an ENFj because he takes dives on the field and cries? Sorry but that's just asinine. So, I'm not a fan of non-American football (soccer) but of what I've heard of Ronaldo, he doesn't really act in a way that's weird for a soccer player.
goggles: Andrea Pirlo is INFp-Ni, so he's a :Fe: type - check his long standing friendship with Gattuso, ISTj-Se (I take IP temperament and N type as a given in Pirlo's case).
IME IJs like "central" positions: central midfielder, defender, attacker. Probably because you don't have to run as much, given that you're already placed in the middle of the pitch; plus, you can easily create a mental structure of how your and the other team interact with you, something which IJs seem to enjoy.Quote:
Very interesting. What positions do you think IJ types are especially good for?
How can you believe this guy is either irrational or introverted is beyond me. You truly do not deserve the mod title.Quote:
that's my guess, if not than SEE> creative
Wow thats a nice goal i have ever really seen. Again i dont Watch sccorer that much. But maybe the american defense just suck ha.
I'm really not sure how much we can say someone is this or that type based on how they run or what position they play in soccer.
That being said, how much do you know about soccer? Central midfielders (and sidebacks) are often the most fit and do the most work and running on the entire team. They have to run forward to attack and track back to defend, they have to move about constantly whether they are on or off the ball making runs or hassling opponents. A good example of such players would be Gattuso and De Rossi, Park Ji Sung, Nedved. You can be a world class midfielder through just sheer effort and hard work like Gattuso.
The players who do the least amount of work are usually the strikers and you've conveniently put two of the laziest ones in your post. Both Ronaldo's just stand around (the fat one was guilty of this especially) and wait for the ball to come to them. Their responsibility to the team is to simply score goals (it does not matter how).
I do agree with you about Pirlo, he VI's as an Inxp but I still think he is logic over ethics. Gattuso I think is an SEE and the fatty an estj but I'm just VI-ing.The fatty might also be ISFP or ENFP, not really sure.
How much do YOU know about soccer? There is one specific kind of central midfielder which runs a lot, but NOT all central midfielders (far from all) play that kind of role. You've conveniently named only those who are known for their incredible stamina.
Both Ronaldos don't stand around waiting for the ball at all, they are not "typical" strikers - an example of a typical striker would be Inzaghi, Vieri, Trezeguet, etc. (all introverts).
Gattuso is an obvious ISTj, Ronaldo "Il Fenomeno" is ESFp. Now, If I have to give a detailed analysis of every one of these players then I'd have to spend all my life doing it.
Cool post FDG :thumbsup:
so messi is irational? :)
ISTp makes sense for him, IMHO. He's clearly introverted, and likely thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglas
Yeah whatever, they might not be typical strikers but they still stand around and do nothing for most of the game. Ever see any of the Ronaldo's track back and defend? Nope. The only time they do anything is when their team has the ball.
Inzaghi, Vieri, Trezeguet - yep, they all stand around all day and do nothing as well.
Ok, they're not as lazy as I'm making them out to be but most strikers don't do a lot for the team. Carlos Tevez is one who does, but he would be a rare example. Mario Balotelli and Berbatov is more typical and they are not hard workers.
I have included midfielders who are known for their incredible stamina because I wanted to provide examples of a particular role I was writing about - central midfielders. There are others as well, Patrick Viera, Sissoko, Scoles, Gerrard, Lampard, Seedorf and they all have a pretty solid work ethic. They do different things in slightly different ways but you really can't call any of them lazy.
Give me some central midfielders who you think "don't have to run as much, given that you're already placed in the middle of the pitch".
that's because midfielders task is help to defenders in defence and help forwards in front.
yes, pretty much.
oke, i was curious, old thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
so enfj, i guess this explains his babyface.
Probably Ti-SLE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfSwpT0ehNo
Don't see EIE for Ronaldo as much as I try - he's all pretty boy metro and I understand the EIE typings, but he still seems like a metro SLE (or maybe SEE. I'd even buy ESE before EIE lol). Not seeing any Ni in this one.
He looks like he does Falcon gay porn back in the 90s, when gay porn was kinda hot and actually arousing.
People on this forum have no idea what EIE typing is, Jesus Christ. Same people who think Gilly is EIE because he was a complete dick faced douchebag. Ronaldo is easily a sensor, probably SEE.
I agree that he's a sensor - and not because he's a football player, before anyone says that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bane
Clear rational type
seems extraverted
He's ILE as fuck. "Se" is merely a means to an end.
Naive, boyish good looks and those signature Ronaldo temper tantrums and the fact that he threw a desk at his teacher when he was younger because, "He disrespected me." which lines up so well with what I know to be true of ILEs. The fact that he dropped out of school to pursue futbol because he saw potential in himself runs counter to anything written about Se-egos. There's all this controversy surrounding his disrespectful attitude toward his teammates and I think it comes from a place of not allowing a person's status/success/power to influence his treatment of them (well, that and narcissism) and I wouldn't peg any Se-egos I know to "think" that way (let alone EIEs? are you kidding me?) and how well he treats his fans, friends, and family in comparison. He isn't as into the mindless debauchery culture popular among famous athletes and that's probably another contributing factor to his disrespect toward his teammates. The man may be a douchebag, but he's a self-made douchebag.
People have weird ideas about what constitutes as an intuitive or sensor and how each individual IE operates in any given type's stacking.
I'm confused regarding how people type him as an Intuitive.
I know this is a cliché of mine, but he does seem like an ESI-Se to me. :p
In the video suedehead posted, once he starts talking he pretty much goes into ESI mode.
Talking about good relationships, how people treat him "good" etc.
The conversation is very streamlined. He's only talking about his past experiences and relationships with people, and how much they matter to him.
Compare him to Russell Brand (his Supervisor IMO) – he goes off on tangents all the time, talking about all kinds of ideas and whatnot.
Anyway, he's definitely Se ego IMO. If we can agree on that, I am happy.
Observation:
He makes a lot of :Ni: statements in this one, predominantly so. More ethical than logical as well, see his example with politeness, family, and fans. Ep temperament seems extremely unlikely. Leaves us with EIE, IEI, ESI [slight chance], and even EII.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfSwpT0ehNo
It is pretty clear that he is Se ego and i think ESI.
EDIT: Now I'm 90% sure he is SEE.
Lol at this thread
Ne-leading was my impression of him, too, though I would choose Ne-IEE > ILE. He does seem to have some features of a "childlike" type, looking like he could be in a boy band when he's already over 30. The ESI and SLE typings don't seem to be that far off since types in same supervision rings share some similarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasp
Enneagram: "assertive" type seems clear - 8w7>7w8 so/sp
https://i.imgur.com/9DkhcH5.png https://i.imgur.com/jmKK5kj.png
The bold always fascinates me when I see it in older representatives of childlike types. Anything else that makes you think IEE-Ne?Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
He fits the Don Juan stereotype most commonly associated with IEE males and the manner in which he assessed and realized his own athletic potential does ring Delta to me - pursuit of creative potential - but I think of him as more democratic than aristocratic. There's a glaring contrast between how he treats his fans and those worse off than him - which is exemplified in his charity work - and how he treats his fellow teammates, whom he refuses to respect merely because they're well-established. There's a lack of aristocratic association, which I do see in Messi, but protecting the underdog could be attributed to either Ne-lead. With that said, it'd be pretty funny if they were duals since Messi (EII imo) is unanimously typed SLI on 16t. ehehe
I remember the day I posted that was the day I did hours worth of research on Ronaldo because I wanted to understand how he worked. It was interesting how differently people perceived him before and after becoming aware of how he was outside the negative reputation he'd garnered.
Damn. I was sure sure about LSI but then..: For me it is not a problem.
This pattern repeats itself again and again...:
Fi-, Ti-. Ni+ mobilizing.
Goes in his value system to rip it apart. ESI.
Looking/staying youthful != :Ne: ego. It's good genetics combined with a mad skillful beauty doc! :lol: Ronnie is as 3 as it gets, all those ego trips and self-aggrandizing, he wants to be the best, vanity alert, rose to fame after being bullied to prove his worth, center of attention, etc.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
Unless you have the idea that you have to be that way, it is rather unlikely that "looking/staying youthful" has anything to do with Ne.
I guess this is related to Sensing and Feeling.
Interestingly logical operators "!=" from programming languages have made their way into argumentation culture. :yup:
If you are Ne then you are hip or what Albert?
https://i.imgur.com/RLEzGD0.jpg
-Yes, most definitely.
Yes, that's more probable.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinnieW
I got it from @AbZero who does programming :biggrin:
EIE ?
EIE with a dominant subtype (I type everyone as EIE I know I know, but that's just because I only post in EIE threads)
I find it interesting that the most famous woman soccer player, Megan Rapinoe, is also an EIE.
I think he’s SEE-D. He expresses Fe by smiling and being engaging with the host and such, but he’s very private and he’s actually very Fi oriented. He talks about how people treat him and he values their politeness and kindness. He doesn’t like to get attention for attention’s sake not like EIEs do. He doesn’t use Fe to be bragging about something he hasn’t achieved. He doesn’t brag at all. He shows how he feels about something which is anchored from within (Fe expresses his Fi)
http://youtu.be/_X0QY6F-TLM
His Se is too strong and his Fi comes out in the way he respects the relations of people to him like his coach. He talks about how no one is like him, he thinks he’s always the best in his mind, he believes in himself and all the hard work at developing his skills is what makes him the greatest, etc. He’s very Gamma. Serious about his profession and work. “I don’t do the work because I have to. It’s part of me.” “I have to be myself.”
http://youtu.be/aiT0V50FWWU
SEE
Andrea Pirlo could be the most interesting of all players, coaches, and influences in soccer.Quote:
Originally Posted by goggles
He was kind of fluid, mermaid like, sensitive, a dreamer, artistic. And he even has more empowered mindsets than anyone else. So he's always a totem to blizzards in the volcanic maestro of the midfield passing galore.
I think that Zidane was better than both Ronaldos. Zidane torched, extricated, unleashed, envisioned, poised, grabbed, elevated, masqueraded, he did all the mastery of intellect to physical sync drills and markers of strategic gem.
Zidane dribbled better than any winger or left/right back I have ever seen, the more traditional area to be good at dribbling. And his field vision was just enormous, to pick out passes the crushed any opposition. Like if you watch every highlight of the 1998 Final, Zidane should've had a few assists, should Henry have been playing instead of those chump strikers. So I guess it's justice that Zidane scored 2 himself. All in all, a Brazil team that was for the most part controlling the game was assassinated by Zidane.
Then Euro 2000 for Zidane is more legendary than anything, just total control, beyond mere assassination, as by then, they knew he was their best player, and got him the ball more. He would even be Golden Ball in 2006, and would've been 3 time Franch Champion, if not for Gianluigi Buffon of Italy at the 104th minute, and Pirlo (I talked about him above) at the 19th minute.
EIE-Fe
He definitely doesn't VI SEE on this photo lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzhZbuhW...pg&name=medium
I remember seeing a couple of times that fans were running on the pitch to him and he went into this very passive state, no confrontation, basically trying to get away from them. he's this hyper-efficient dominant subtype who follows rigid routines that only rational types would do. the constant changes in his appearance, which are very characteristic for EIE, are visible in his different hairstyles.Quote:
Originally Posted by qaz00
LII-H with a touch of N
Yeah, fuckin badas..Quote:
Originally Posted by RaptorWizard
https://media1.tenor.com/images/3663...c491/tenor.gif
Christiano Ronaldo - INFP Gorky
https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/wp-c...356003-800.jpg
SEE-Fi
Cristiano Ronaldo INFP Gorky