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Hello. I am Troy McClure, you may remember me from such threads as "Random ideas" or "My name is Earl". I'll start with my typing on the main characters:
Homer SEE
Marge ESI
Bart SLE
Lisa EII
Mr. Burns LIE
Smithers ESI
Barney Gamble ILE
Moe LSI
Mad Scientist ILE
Comic shop owner ILI
Lisa is INTp.
Moe I think also INTp; heavy Fe PoLR. Very different variant from Lisa's though.
Marge INFj
The cop that is the father of the dense kid is an ISTj... Compare him to Moe. Cop likes Fe, Moe hates it.
Don't you think Moe is rather :Fe:-seeking?Quote:
Originally Posted by labcoat
Lenny Ip?
Carl Ip?
Wiggum SEI!
Martin ILE!
Well, no. He's the kind of thing ESFjs can't stand being around for longer than a second.Quote:
Don't you think Moe is rather :Fe:-seeking?
Really, if you don't feel a sense of identity with him it would not surprise me a bit. But that guy is not an ISTj.
Ralph Wiggum, maybe.Quote:
Wiggum SEI!
As for this guy (fatso):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwuSGvfN0T4
ISTj.
Lisa EIE
Barney Gamble SEI <--- definity.
Mad scientist more LII than ILE
He is SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by labcoat
I think the show is written from a Delta perspective.
Homer: SEI (Softhearted. The rest is a caricatured embodiment of the worst aspects of his type.
-Si: sloth, gluttony, anti-intellectualism;
-Fe: extreme bias, jealousy, shallow emotions, immediate uncritical emotions;
-Te-PoLR: unproductive, inability to make sense of actions going on around him -- that's why he comes off as presumptuous and stupid.)
Burns: LIE (Caricature Se valuing EJ and caricature Gamma values like $$$, elitism, self-preservation. Inability to express warm emotions of any kind. He and Homer have clashing lifestyles and are portrayed as conflictors.)
Smithers: ESI (Intensely loyal to Mr. Burns. His steward and protector.)
Marge: EII (Fi. Loyal to her family. Intensely deep feelings that she hides within herself. Her marriage to Homer, whose emotions and reactions are comparatively very shallow is supposed to be comical.)
Bart: SLE (Kind of obvious. Super-ego relationship with him and Lisa that persistently leads to clashes of value.)
Lisa: IEE (Ne. She's the one always interjecting new ideas into discussions. Points out how the generalized situation looks whenever people get bogged down in specifics. Has unbridled optimism in her potential and future bordering on arrogance and egotism, as well as the potential of others. Deep humanistic streak. Shuns materialism. Considering the anti-intellectual environment she lives in, it all comes off as the more indicative of her type. Probably Matt Groening's dual and mouthpiece.)
Milhouse: IEI (Sycophant, follower variety.)
Flanders: LSE (Supervision as the source of animosity between him and Homer makes the most sense.)
Comic Book Guy: ILI
Moe: I agree with ILI.
Herb (Homer's Brother): SEE (Productive, goal-oriented, and extremely willful. Gamma values. Nice, courteous guy.)
Agnes: EIE (The bossy variant.)
Principal Skinner: LSI (Calm and collected, in self control. LSI makes more sense than the other three IJs. Willing to carry out Agnes' commands.)
Apu: Not sure, but I think ESE could sort of work, or even ILE.
If anything I actually think he is SEI, just becuase they act like dual doesn't mean his character is cloest protray as an esi in duality with LIE.Quote:
Smithers: ESI (Intensely loyal to Mr. Burns. His steward and protector.)
she is a classic ISFj, does do have deep feeling as you describe, but is very not intuitively if you look closely, I think the producers deliberately made her the classic feeling protectively ISFj, very naive at times too, but does get very philosophical at times, also very :Se: at few scene just does not look EII at all.Quote:
Marge: EII (Fi. Loyal to her family. Intensely deep feelings that she hides within herself. Her marriage to Homer, whose emotions and reactions are comparatively very shallow is supposed to be comical.)
Very very serious type. does ponder a lot about humanity. she could be EII is not ENFj, but does not resemable a sterotype of an IEE at all.Quote:
Lisa: IEE (Ne. She's the one always interjecting new ideas into discussions. Points out how the generalized situation looks whenever people get bogged down in specifics. Has unbridled optimism in her potential and future bordering on arrogance and egotism, as well as the potential of others. Deep humanistic streak. Shuns materialism. Considering the anti-intellectual environment she lives in, it all comes off as the more indicative of her type. Probably Matt Groening's dual and mouthpiece.)
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Milhouse: IEI (Sycophant, follower variety.)
Flanders: LSE (Supervision as the source of animosity between him and Homer makes the most sense.)
aww these two I agree, but still don't asumme the producer knows socionics and that he knows LSE is susposed to supervised Homer which you typed SEI. if anything I think they have a benefit relationship SEE-LSE[/QUOTE]
Well thought out. I shall have to ponder these further.Quote:
Originally Posted by jxrtes
I think that naivety you mention is actually the telling sign of her being a delta NF. She is always willing to trust everyone and always stays open to the possibility that there is a positive side to a person's character. She is far more vulnerable in situations where she needs to assume things firmly and quickly (Se) than in situations where assumptions prove unwarranted (Ne).Quote:
she is a classic ISFj, does do have deep feeling as you describe, but is very not intuitively if you look closely, I think the producers deliberately made her the classic feeling protectively ISFj, very naive at times too, but does get very philosophical at times, also very at few scene just does not look EII at all.
Skinner and the reverent are both ESTj, imo. ISTjs take a much more active and change oriented approach to fulfilling their duty. The stagnant, conservative duty fulfilling kind of person they both are are stereotype Delta STJs.
As for Flanders, he just has to be an Se PoLR type, so its INFj.
Why do you think he's SEI?Quote:
Originally Posted by 07490
It's possible we're both right. The characters have had so many stories written about them that she might have used :Se: and :Ne: at different times.Quote:
she is a classic ISFj, does do have deep feeling as you describe, but is very not intuitively if you look closely, I think the producers deliberately made her the classic feeling protectively ISFj, very naive at times too, but does get very philosophical at times, also very :Se: at few scene just does not look EII at all.
I stopped watching 10 years ago, but the Marge I remember was very flexible and adaptive to her family's behavior, and normally had trouble directly asserting her values. This is what Wikipedia says about her:
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Marge is generally a stereotypical sitcom mother, and she also plays the "long-suffering wife" who puts up with the antics of her children and her oafish husband.[2] While she usually takes her family's problems with good humor, in "Homer Alone" (season three, 1992), her workload and resultant stress caused her to have a mental breakdown.
What's the stereotype of an IEE? Also, we should probably keep in mind that a lot of writers from different quadras worked on this show, so it wouldn't surprise me if Lisa picked up some Ni or Ti dialogue along the way, being the only mouthpiece for the show's intelligent exposition.Quote:
Very very serious type. does ponder a lot about humanity. she could be EII is not ENFj, but does not resemable a sterotype of an IEE at all.
Well the fact that their values conflict is what suggests supervision; they're not conflictors since they both value Si IMO.Quote:
aww these two I agree, but still don't asumme the producer knows socionics and that he knows LSE is susposed to supervised Homer which you typed SEI. if anything I think they have a benefit relationship SEE-LSE
I didn't go into detail because I borrowed the Flanders typing from another thread, but I thought Flanders' stereotypically Fi-based religious moral discipline was obviously intended to clash with Homer's more unhinged Fe. And the fact that Flanders just seems loftier and far above Homer in every way.
I don't see that as INFj, that naivety of her as a trait in Infj. And I disagree the bold part. her biggest biggest weakest of her is being gullible in a intuitive sense, the producer does portray her as someone who is aware of the underlying meaning of important moment of in her live, and at times makes her really philosophical.Quote:
Originally Posted by labcoat
Does that describe ISFj at all? IMO they are much more likely to refuse to believe things than to believe to eagerly.Quote:
her biggest biggest weakest of her is being gullible in a intuitive sense
They never have conflict, Ned is always the one that give in to homer......Quote:
Well the fact that their values conflict is what suggests supervision; they're not conflictors since they both value Si IMO.
I didn't go into detail because I borrowed the Flanders typing from another thread, but I thought Flanders' stereotypically Fi-based religious moral discipline was obviously intended to clash with Homer's more unhinged Fe. And the fact that Flanders just seems loftier and far above Homer in every way.
I could buy that.Quote:
Originally Posted by labcoat
o_O Really? I maybe forgetting but I thought Homer despised and was jealous of Ned, while Ned didn't waste much time on him, and mostly interacted (and forgave) out of a christian sense of obligation. So asymmetric relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07490
Believe what you want, I have been watching this show for years and I am very confident of the typing. it doesn't really prove my point to you and for you to believe in my typing, but as far as I know, they are like the trademark types for me stereotypically (but they are fictional character after all written by people with a imagination. so the closest we can say is that the character portray most like one type. we will go on forever debating like this if we think this is or is not an ISFj behavior... don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by labcoat
that's what I said, Ned never hated Homer and always give in to him. But conflict? no, I wouldn't call it conflict like you can say about other other character who does have conflict. If anything their relationship seems like a benefit relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by jxrtes
But why would you take interrelationship, and facts like it looks like an asymmetric relationship into so much consideration? especially taken the fact that it is cartoon? a little bit of those is OK, because most people can stereotype, and they can see this kind of people will like these kind of people and so forth. but even in here we know that conflictor gets along well in real life and not as "conflict". so would you think the producer knows?
I didn't mean "clash" like in a fight. I meant differences in values that lead to bad relationships, different ways of looking at things and people misunderstanding one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07490
Hey, benefit is also asymmetric, and it could still work.
That happens in most non-quadra relationship anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by jxrtes
it's not if it works or not, it is that I am so sure of these typing that I just can't stop myself from preventing the mistyping to go on any further. and if you're only speculating on their types, I suggest you listen to me.Quote:
hey, benefit is still asymmetric, and it could work.
In the context of what I wrote, it's a clash of Fe vs. Fi.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07490
That's not good. If we're both equally sure about opposite things, it doesn't get us anywhere.Quote:
it's not if it works or not, it is that I am so sure of these typing that I just can't stop myself from preventing the mistyping to go on any further. and if you're only speculating on their types, I suggest you listen to me.
I said that because you said "it could work". I get the feeling that you were speculating.Quote:
Originally Posted by jxrtes
I like the Simpsons. I like how there are many parts to their town, all exhibited throughout, it is like all the town is one big adventurous family. I used to have this interactive Simpson's game for the PC where you explore Springfield.
They have a lot of characters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_The_Simpsons
Whether or not I was, confidence is no arbiter of truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07490
Yea I know, But I am not good at explaining things in writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jxrtes
You all suck. jxrtes' typings are the only ones that make sense.
I agree with most of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by jxrtes
Some alternatives:
Flanders - ESFj
Lisa - INFj
Milhouse - INTp
Removed at User Request
What about Frank Grimes? He hated Homer from the beginning and I would type him as LII. Given that they are conflictors, I would propose SEE for Homer, that fits better in my opinion.
I think Moe is rather SLI than ILI, I really don't see why he is an intutive type.
Frank Grimes struck me as more of an LSI. In wikisocion's description of creative :Se:, particularly the bolded part describes Frank Grimes in his role at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaDoomer
LSIs prefer to apply their clear, logical thinking to forcibly affect how the real world is organized, rather than simply producing conjectures or thought exercises that have no material application. LSIs prefer to work with systems of "real" things — material assets, organizations, management, and production — and to perfect their structure and organization (http://www.the16types.info/en/images/0/01/Symbol_l.gif). When they are certain they are right, LSIs can act decisively to enforce rules, and, if necessary, to punish violators, in order to protect the integrity of the system.
LSIs handle high-pressure situations well and can maneuver skillfully around obstacles to achieve their goals. They cannot be intimidated easily by displays of force or aggression, but follow closely the balance of power and make sure they are in the best position.
If Frank is LSI and Homer is SEE, then Frank supervises Homer, which also makes sense.
LII could also work though.
I always felt sorry for Frank Grimes. He worked so hard and cared about the safety and integrity of the company when no one else there did. It violated my sense of justice to see Homer just coasting by in life without lifting a finger, while Frank always had to struggle for every little thing he got.
I still don't know Moe's type. Probably introvert and logical. I doubt LII.
That's very good, I think you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior-librarian
Yes, me too. I think he was just a normal guy who deserved the benefits from his hard work. Maybe he was right about some things he said to Homer referring to his way of life in front of his family (I mean assigned to real life).Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior-librarian
Oh shit why have I not posted in this thread yet
Homer: Ne-ENTp?
Marge: Si-ISFp?
Bart: Ti-ENTp (kinda weird though, because apparently Bart's character was supposedly loosely based off of Matt Groening's own childhood)
Lisa: Fi-ENFp
Ned Flanders: ?-INFj
Milhouse: Ti-INTj
Moe: ?-IXTp
Reverend Lovejoy: ?-ESTj?
Mr. Burns: Te-EXTj
Smithers: Ne-INFj
Comic book guy: Ti-ENTp
Herb: Actually ESFp seems plausible from memory, although I wonder if ESTp could work too?
Armin Tamzarian: ?-ESXj
Nelson: Fe/Ti irrational
Hershel Krustofski: Fe-ESFj
lol@Frank Grimes discussion. I could see him as some hyper-neurotic Ti-ISTj, and from what I recall Homer supervised the shit out of him; he seemed to hate Homer a lot more than Homer hated him back.
I feel like somewhere in the 10th season or thereabout the characters stopped being truly dynamic entities and simply became stereotypes of themselves. A lot of what I'm basing my typings on is from what I know of the older seasons, the episodes that aren't awful.
Also I'm not getting the typings for Lisa as beta NF. If you haven't seen Moaning Lisa yet I'd recommend you do because she's Fi out the yin-yang in that episode. It's actually kinda weird though, for being a so-called "delta" show there are hardly any deltas in it hahaha.
Homer (classic era): SEI 7w6 or 6w7
Homer (post-classic era): SEE 7w6
Marge: ESI 9w1
Bart: SLE 7w8
Lisa: I dunno, she's really hard to type. EIE? Nah, :Fi:>:Fe:. Delta NF? Seems too confident in use of :Se:. ESI? Not likely to have Ne-POLR. 4w3
Abe (Grandpa): LSE 6w5? 9w8?
Flanders: ESE 1w2 perhaps
Mr. Burns: LIE 8w9
Smithers: ESI? 6 or 9 I guess
Moe: SLI 6w5
Skinner: LSI 1w9
Edna: SEE 2w3???
Comic Book Guy: ILE 5w6?
Dr. Hibbert: LIE 3w4
Krusty: SLE 3
Tim Lovejoy: Delta ST
Otto: SEI 9w8
Frank Grimes: LSI 1w9
Willie: SEE??? 6?
Milhouse: IEI 6w7
Barney: SEI 9w8
Duffman: ESE 3w2
Herman: SLI 6w5
Hahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvinist777
You're alright Calvinist. You're alright.
Hey, cool. I really thought I'd be the only one who hates the newer seasons. I mean, mayn of the classic episodes were just awesome and I really like the serial, but the new ones are far away from being funny. Other people I asked said they wouldn't see a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
With Spongebob happened the same, btw. When I watched episodes from the first season my stomach hurt from laughing, but the newer ones are just annoying.
Wow, I almost agree with all of your guesses. (I'm not sure about some characters, but you can be right about them.) I only thought ILI would be quite fitting for the Comic Book Guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvinist777
Seriously? Most of the people I've talked to said that they hate the new episodes. Maybe it's an America/rest-of-the-world divide :oQuote:
Originally Posted by MegaDoomer
I don't know. Sometimes I think they don't even know what they are laughing about. In the newer episodes of the Simpsons they're using the same old jokes over and over again. They also combine it with a stupid and uninteresting story and expect that people are laughing about that. (The Simpson's movie is awful, too.) However, there is one other factor which makes the show worse for me: the dubbing. Marge has now an ridiculous voice and everyone sounds totally fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
You can't really avoid that shows get worse over time, but as a positive example, I think South Park aged well compared to other popular shows. It is still original and authentic in my opinion, just as it used to be.
I haven't watched The Simpsons in years. They're still creating episodes hmm? I don't even remember specific things from it, I'm just typing based on vague memory of the characters and their relationships.
I agree, because South Park has a lot of things going for it. Primarily, each episode takes about 5 days to make. This means that the producers can stay ahead of the game by dealing with current-day topics as they're happening and not having to resort to them after the fact. As such, it's a lot easier for the show to remain fresh because they're constantly supplied with new material.Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaDoomer
Homer - SEE
http://englishvg1.wikispaces.com/fil...er_simpson.gif
Bart - SEI
http://www.dctobc.com/wp-content/upl...rtsimpson4.gif
Lisa - EII
http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/ima...a_Simpson2.png
Marge - ESE
http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/b/bb/Marge.png
Maggie - SLI
http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/8/89/Maggie.png
Mr. Burns - LIE
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...6/Mr_Burns.png
Ned Flanders - EII
http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/ima...d_Flanders.png
How can you type Maggie?
Why is the lazy and feckless Homer a Se dominant? Why is the hyperactive and mischievous Bart an IP?
Pretty Ne/Si heavy overall
Homer Simpson - Ne-ENTP
Marge Simpson - Si-ISFP
Bart Simpson - Ti-ENTP
Lisa Simpson - Fi-ENFP
Ned Flanders - Fi-INFJ
Moe Szyslak - Te-INTP
Milhouse Van Houten - Ti-INTJ
Reverend Timothy Lovejoy - Te-ISTP
Apu Nahasapeemapetilon - Fi-ISFJ
Marion "Fat Tony" D'Amico - Fe-ENFJ
Montgomery Burns - Si-ESTJ
Waylon Smithers - Ne-INFJ
Comic Book Guy - Ti-ENTP
Nelson Muntz - Se-ESTP
Homer uses :Se: so much it's insane! He's always out and about doing something. He may be lazy at work, but when he's on an adventure, he's always energized and doing something. You can see him use :Se: constantly when around his family and he uses it to his advantage such as neighbours like Ned Flanders who is an EII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat King Cole
You don't know many SEI's do you? SEIs can be hyperactive and mischievous. My brother is an SEI and since he was a kid he was always off an about simply doing things. When he's not doing something, he's usually just watching television. However, he goes with the flow, if something comes along he'll jump along for the ride.
That's not Se. And of course he's out-and-about, or else wtf kind of show would we be watching?
His behaviour is similar to SEEs I know in real life. Also, it kind of proves my point of why they'd choose an SEE as their title character, but to each their own I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by poli
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by TravelerHomer uses :Se: so much it's insane! He's always out and about doing something. He may be lazy at work, but when he's on an adventure, he's always energized and doing something. You can see him use :Se: constantly when around his family and he uses it to his advantage such as neighbours like Ned Flanders who is an EII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat King Cole
You don't know many SEI's do you? SEIs can be hyperactive and mischievous. My brother is an SEI and since he was a kid he was always off an about simply doing things. When he's not doing something, he's usually just watching television. However, he goes with the flow, if something comes along he'll jump along for the ride.
I really don't see how he's not Ne or Fi-PoLR, or how he's gamma, but we'll agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traveler
For one, I can't imagine an ILE or an IEE strangling the hell out of Bart like that :lol:
Hall of fame'd + sig'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traveler
Thanks for the chuckle.
LOL :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Cat King ColeHall of fame'd + sig'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traveler
Thanks for the chuckle.
Homer - Se-SxE, Ne-ILE can also work
Bart - ESTp or ENTp Ti-sub, LSI Se-sub
Lisa - EII, IEE, ILI
Marge - SEI Si-sub, ESE Si-sub
Flanders - ESE, SEI Fe-sub, LSE
Milhouse - EII, LII
Burns - ILI, LII, SLI
Smithers - IEI, EIE, IEE
Moe - ILI, SLE, ESI
Se can be associated with pleasure and adventure seeking tendencies that seem to fit Homer's personality quite well. Bart actually has that same streak but he is more deliberate in seeking out his sources of enjoyment than Homer, who is more dreamy/clueless in comparison. Ne-ILE typing would also work, though I think Homer is more sensory kind of seeking, so Se fits him better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat King Cole
Quote:
me from chatbox
i dont really see him as Se. he seems really unfocused, on abstract and complicated tangents, and says lots of Ne things.
even though hes borderline retarded
as for Fe > Fi, i guess just look at bender's Fe vs fry's Fi, since theyre the same creator. so overall just seems like an obvious typing.
i thought about ESFP, but couldnt get it to fit. homer is pretty much a more stuck in his imagination/more physically handicapped/less physically aware version of bender. look-a-likes, rather than comparatives
When he's strangling Bart, there is no resonance or connection with him as a human, like say you would have if you were to strangle someone, or really a subjective awareness. Everything he does/says seems Fi-PoLR and to back Fe. His emotional reasoning comes across a lot more purposefully objectified than what I see in Fi types, ie. for prevalence's sake, Homer's comparative type from the other show, Fry. Maybe this was a tactic for supplying emotional stimulation to the population of viewers, that was influenced by one of the creators (to make his personality more Fe.) Also, both main characters seem to back Ne-INFJ Groening's primary format of comedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by woofwoofl
Here's a principal video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zVCN6SFFzg#t=0m40s
Well damn - that clip is :Ne: as all hell!Quote:
Originally Posted by poliQuote:
me from chatbox
i dont really see him as Se. he seems really unfocused, on abstract and complicated tangents, and says lots of Ne things.
even though hes borderline retarded
as for Fe > Fi, i guess just look at bender's Fe vs fry's Fi, since theyre the same creator. so overall just seems like an obvious typing.
i thought about ESFP, but couldnt get it to fit. homer is pretty much a more stuck in his imagination/more physically handicapped/less physically aware version of bender. look-a-likes, rather than comparatives
When he's strangling Bart, there is no resonance or connection with him as a human, like say you would have if you were to strangle someone, or really a subjective awareness. Everything he does/says seems Fi-PoLR and to back Fe. His emotional reasoning comes across a lot more purposefully objectified than what I see in Fi types, ie. for prevalence's sake, Homer's comparative type from the other show, Fry. Maybe this was a tactic for supplying emotional stimulation to the population of viewers, that was influenced by one of the creators (to make his personality more Fe.) Also, both main characters seem to back Ne-INFJ Groening's primary format of comedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by woofwoofl
Here's a principal video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zVCN6SFFzg#t=0m40s
The problem is that there's hundreds of Homer Simpsons, with so many different writers, seasons, episodes; there's a lot of inconsistencies, as well as a general drift of the character... the Homers in the earliest episodes are far removed from the Homers of 2011 and close-by...
Yep, I really haven't stayed in touch with a lot of new Simpsons. I'm just looking back on what I've overall noticed. Obviously the very first episodes were different (noticeably: animation, character, voices, plot) and then evolved from there in a fair proportion of its catchiness. I guess we may type him more than once based on the given generation.
List copied from poli:
Homer Simpson - SEI or SEE
Marge Simpson - ESI
Bart Simpson - SLE
Lisa Simpson - IEE, maybe EII
Ned Flanders - EII
Moe Szyslak - SLI
Milhouse Van Houten - LII
Reverend Timothy Lovejoy - SLI
Montgomery Burns - LIE
Waylon Smithers - ESI
Comic Book Guy - ILI
Nelson Muntz - SLE
EDIT: Ralph - IEI
Every now and then there is a new Simpsons thread. My current typings:
Homer: SEI
Bart: SLE
Lisa: :Ne: ego
Marge: :Fe: leading
Barney Gumble: Ne-ENTp
Moe: LSI
Apu: LIE
Comic guy: ILI
Mad Scientist: ILE
Flanders: serious
Willy: delta ST
Burns: LIE
Smithers: ESI
Troy McClure: SEE or LIE
Chief Wiggum: :Si: ego
Lenny and Carl: SLI, IEE
Milhouse: ILI
Nelson: SLE
Martin: ILE
Agreed, Homer can appear :Ne: ego at times or :Si: ego, but I think his main personality is SEE and he branches off to random personality types for specific episodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by woofwooflWell damn - that clip is :Ne: as all hell!Quote:
Originally Posted by poli
The problem is that there's hundreds of Homer Simpsons, with so many different writers, seasons, episodes; there's a lot of inconsistencies, as well as a general drift of the character... the Homers in the earliest episodes are far removed from the Homers of 2011 and close-by...
Moe is so INTP :love: http://www.hulu.com/watch/148069/the...ns-left-behind
Homer - SEI
Marge - ESI
Bart - SLE
Lisa - EII
Ned - LSE (maybe)
Milhouse - IEI
Nelson - SLE
Willy - ILI
Chief Wiggum - SEE
bump for enneagramz
Homer - 9w8 sp
Marge - 1w9? sp/sx
Bart: 3w4 so/sx?
Lisa - 6w5 sx/sp?
Ned - 1w2 so/sp
Milhouse - 6w5 sp/so
Moe - 5w6 sp/sx
Skinner - 1w9 sp/so
Otto - 9w8 sp?
Groundskeeper Willie - 8w9 sx/sp? sp/sx?
Comic Book Guy - 6w5 sp/so
Martin - 6w5? 9w1? so/sp
Nelson - 6w7 sx
Edna Krabapple (R.I.P Marcia Wallace :( ) - 2w3 / 3w2
Mayor Quimby - 3w2 so/sp
Burns - 1w9? 5w6? sp/so
Smithers - 9w1 sp/so
My knowledge of enneagram is limited but I will try:
Homer SLI 9w8
Marge LSE 2w3
Lisa IEE 3w4
Bart SLE 7w6
Moe ESE 6w5
Flanders EII 9w1
Mr. Burns LII 1w9
Smithers SEI 2w1
Comic guy ILI 5w4
Nelson ESE 8w7
Milhouse ILE 6w7
I've always viewed homer as ILE for some reason. he was an inventor, he has no sense of personal space with others, and has hilariously insignificant thought processes.
i once had an ILE tell me what went on in his brain.
a balloon rises into the air, and pops.
that is all.
Homer: SEI-Si 9w8
Bart: SLE-Se 7w8
Lisa: IEI-Ni 1w9
Marge: ESI-Fi 9w1
Mr Flanders: EII-Fi 1w9
Mr Burns: LIE-Te 3w4
Smithers: ESI-Fi 6w7
Principal Skinner: LSI-Ti 1w2
Patty: ESI-Se 6w5
Selma: ESI-Se 6w5
Professor Frink: ILE-Ne 5w6
I think
Homer - SEE :love: He's my inner child.
Marge - SEI
Bart - SLE
Lisa - EII
Ned - ESE
as close as I can tell.
I agree with your typings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalek Caan
Marge has a similar character and temperament as my mom. (:Si: + :Fe: caregiver)
Ned Flanders is basically the male version of my aunt. Can't see Ned as introvert. (:Fe: + :Si:)
Homer and Bart share Ep temperament and I can't see them having intution as their ego function.
Homer - SEE and Bart - SLE fits.
Lisa - EII or IEE-FiQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalek Caan
The collective typings here are atrocious! And if you can't correctly type The Simpsons and you've been here for several years, then you should probably get lost because The Simpsons has the most exaggerated socionic types & type relations possible without wearing tags that declare their types. Let's go through the ones that are correct.
These are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1981slater
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1981slater
These are correct too. Herb vs. Homer is a textbook relationship of extinguishment. Principle Skinner couldn't be more LSI if he tried. Comic Book Guy and Milhouse are parodies of ILI's like Dwight from The Office. Flanders is LSE ("The LSE does not change over time. Instead he becomes more knowledgeable about those things he has cared about in the past.") Flanders has obvious :Ni: PoLR, so people confusing him for ESE are forgiven, but the ESE's ethical core and emotional self does not change over time (Ethical :Ni:-PoLR) while the LSE's subjects of intellectual attention do not change over time (Logical :Ni:-PoLR). And Flanders and Homer share a classic supervision relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
These are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
Yup. "Homer is an SEI" is basically the running joke of the entire series.Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
Bart is the only one who is hard to type. Why? He has a super-ego relationship with Lisa, but he doesn't have an illusionary relationship with Homer who is SEI.Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
Pretty much agree with the two of you. The typings seem on point.. what about Lionel Hutz the schiesty lawyer and doctor Nick Riviera?Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterPrincipleTwo
Hutz EIE and Riviera LII?
I could see SLE for hutz.. he's definitely a beta extrovert imo
Agreed along with the other fellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxe
But Si isn't sloth and gluttony and anti-intellectualism (and neither is any other function), though he could be an Si type and be that. But Homer isn't introverted. He's usually focused on everything going on around him.
Mr. Burns is not an Ni victim type; and he's consistently selfish and greedy to the exclusion of everyone else, including Mr. Smithers. He's more an aggressor that makes other people his victims. And he ignores and disregards the relationships and personal feelings of everyone around him. And Fi in LIEs is supposed to be accepting (rather than producing), but that's not accepting at all. Oops, that's wrong. But is that supposed to be LIEs? This is more what I meant.
This is wikisocion for Suggestive Function
Don't think that sounds like Mr. Burns having suggestive Fi.
Suggestive function
The suggestive function is also called the dual-seeking function or the fifth function. The subject finds it difficult to be overwhelmed by this element, since it perfectly complements and drives the activity of the leading function. The more it is present in his daily life, the more he will naturally adapt to its presence (see dualization). They are easily entertained by this kind of information, and its sustained presence creates a soothing psychological effect. If someone experiences a deficiency of it in his environment, he may attempt to supply it himself, but become soon exhausted. Unlike the mobilizing function, concentrated and prolonged doses from other people are received positively (depending somewhat on the individual's degree of dualization).
People focus deeply on the use of this function in day-to-day life, always attempting to digest information received from the environment through this aspect of reality. This is because it complements the leading function, making an individual not only more understanding but more satisfied about their pursuits in the Ego.
https://personalityjunkie.com/wp-con...3706726552.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Subteigh
From the chart Lisa would be xNFJ , Bart ENTP, Homer ENxP and Marge xxFJ.
According to mbti everybody is N. But bart ILE cmon lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I was using the big five chart Subt posted. I was generous with the leeway I gave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
To be fair, according to Socionics (or at least 16typers) everyone is ILE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
I can only think of two on the forum atm. Who am I missing? I know it is someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
NVM, you probably mean typing threads for celebs.
Uhm noQuote:
Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
I meant that people tend to type (or used to type) anyone as ILE that seems “cool” or “quirky”, especially Se egos. And from what I’ve seen of old forum posts a disproportionate number of people were typing themselves ILE. Maybe that’s abated now. I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I know I'm playing on myself for taking this seriously, but I think thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Extroversion -> ? It's exactly what it says it is? Or does someone really want to say it's not? I would not be surprised, if so.
In general, Te and Fe probably come off the most extroverted and then Se and then Ne last as probably kind of an introverted extrovert, if that makes sense.
Openness -> Probably Ne and Se elements. Si and Ni can close themselves off to a degree and Te, Fe, Fi, and Ti can limit themselves by their own judgments. So Ne,Se > Te,Fe > Ni, Si > Ti, Fi
agreeableness -> High EQ, probably should imply a higher prevalence of F ego, even if nobody is always agreeable, F egos included. Maybe people want to disagree that EQ is associated with F and that's fine. But typing seems to make much more sense to me this way. So imo.
neurotiscism -> Possibly correlates well to Jungian one-sidedness. So types that haven't really developed their producing sides or have a hard time with them. They probably take themselves more serious (too serious?). So harder to dualize?
conscientiousness -> Te and Fe probably very well. Loosely to Ti and Fi; it subjectively depends too much. Not so much Ne, Se, Ni, Si because they are irrational (or most simply just perceiving) elements.
So...I don't know...Lisa E - introverted extrovert, Agreeable - more agreeable than disagreeable, high conscientious, some neuroticism, lots of openness.
so opennness + introverted extrovert -> Ne over Se isn't bad thought imo
somewhat agreeable (F generally) + high conscientiousness (Fe or Te with some Ti or Fi) + some neuroticism -> So high Te mobilizing (high conscientiousness) kind of makes sense with some Fi in the ego as a mild neurotic character.
I don't know. Big 5 is kind of accurate imo. I know nobody is going to read that or understand it, but meh, I felt like saying that anyway.
And Bart E - high extroverted, agreeableness - low, conscientiousness - low, neuroticism - low, openness - high.
high E and high openness -> fits Se better than Ne
low agreeable -> T type
low conscientious -> not high in Te, Fe or Ti, Fi. Matches better with irrational Se as high extrovert.
Se + T, so SeTi. not neurotic, so his character won't take himself as seriously I'd think. And I think that's Bart from what I've seen. So high extrovert, but not neurotic. scratch the one-sidedness as neurotic. Let's just say neuroticism is when people take themselves too seriously then.
And Homer E - high extrovert, not agreeable or disagreeable, very low conscientiousness, high neurotic, high openness
High openness + high extrovert -> Se probably
low conscientiousness -> so low Te, Fe, Ti, Fi. High Se or Ne
high neurotic -> Serious person
in between agreeableness -> ? I do think he's Fi in contrast to Bart, but let's say inconclusive. High neurotic makes this probably harder to distinguish.
Se for Homer. Seems pretty true to me.
I don't really see problem like others do.
Okay, I go home now. Bye bye.
Wait, one more, for my fragile ego please,
Marge
E - in between E and I
high agreeable - F
conscientiousness - very much
neuroticism - bit neurotic
open - a bit
balanced E+I (some Si, Ni, or Fi, Ti) + high conscientious (not high in E, so not Te or Fe, but some Ti, Fi, but agreeable too, so not Ti) + open a bit (so Si, Ni)
Marge -> {Si, Ni, Fi} -> not as conclusive, but still seems to represent. Where's problem?
I :love: the Simpsons.
Ned
E - yes!
agreeable - yes!
conscientiousness - Yes!
neurotic - low
openness - low
high agreeable -> F
high extroversion + conscientiousness -> Te or Fe, but Fe with high agreeable
low open -> Ni, Si, Ti, Fi, but Ni or Si with Fe first
Fe+{Ni or Si} and I don't see Ni in Ned? FeSi
Still no problem.
Mr. Burns
E- yes
agreeableness - very low! He's T
conscientious - yes
neurotic - oh yes
openness - inbetween
E + low agreeableness -> Te
neurotic -> takes himself very seriously
low openness -> Ni, Si, Ti, Fi
Neurotic Te? Maybe problem, not sure. But I could agree with that in any case.
skinner
in between I/E
in between agreeable/disagreeable
conscientious
neurotic
low openness
T/F?
I/E?
high conscientious + low openness + balanced I/E -> Ti or Fi
neurotic Ti or Fi? Which one?
Krusty
high E
low agreeable - T
low conscientious
neurotic
very open
High E + high open (irrational) + low conscientious (irrational) -> Ne or Se
But also T
ILE or SLE. Krusty could be ILE I think.
I liked Simpsons back in the day but I stopped caring like 15 seasons ago.
dunno I guess I feel ... well its a cartoon, so you know, but the fact nobody ever ages or even evolves that much during the episodes is kind of creepy and weird. Over time Simpsons completely ignores Ni or something? lol
OF COURSE I LOVE THE HOMER'S PHOBIA EPISODE THO LOL: (2:38 - 3:12 is my favorite part)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvtGXn5YI3c
Otto is sei?
Homer: ESE-Fe
Bart: SLE-Se
Lisa: EII-Fi
Marge: SEI-Si
Stupid sexy Flanders: EIE-Fe
Mr. Burns: LIE-Te
Smithers: ESI-Fi
Moe: ESI-Se
Principal Skinner: LSI-Ti
Mrs.Crabapple: LSE-Te
Patty and Selma: ESI-Se
Professor Frink: ILE-Ne
Barney: IEE-Fi
Groundskeeper Willie: SLI-Te
Sideshow Bob: LSI-Se
Krusty: SEE-Se
Comic book guy: ILI-Ni
Nelson Muntz: SEE-Fi
Milhouse: SEI-Fe
Shari and Terri: IEE-Fi
Yeah, Comic Book Guy is Bart's semi-dual. Although Bart is tolerate of CBG's rants and long-winded historical renderings, he still dismisses it because it's Ni. I realize now that I do that with ILI's rants. My eyes just glaze over and my mind fixates on something else or I'll fall asleep.
When two confilctors walk into a bar..?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnatchYourWeave
:thinking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDdUSE8ttY
Conflictors introduce each other to troublesome situations but not actively/directly/intentionally create conflict. Most of the time, they’re avoidant of one another and that works.
That video shows ESI’s intolerance
I’ll give you til 3.......1
ILI really do amp up their demo Ti by being sarcastic and condescending “beer is the nectar of nitwits” but that’s to mask their super shitty 1D Se. CBG is a very accurate embodiment.
More of CBG’s greatness!
https://youtu.be/2O5RVsmxqiA
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have been rewatching some older seasons
Marge - SEI
Homer - SEE
Bart - SLE
Lisa - IEI (she is Matt's favorite character, who is imo also an IEI)
Mr. Burns - LIE
comic book guy - ILI
Ned Flanders - ESE
professor frink - ILE
Quote:
Originally Posted by khcs
I got tagged in this too.
Homer C-ESE-Fe 9w8 sp/sx
Marge H-LSE-Si 2w3 sp/so
Bart C-SLE-Se 7w8 so/sx
Lisa C-ILI-Te 4w3 so/sp
Maggie SLI-Si
Mr. Burns LII-Ti 1w9 sp/so
Smithers SEI-Fe 6w5 sp/so
Flanders EII-Fi 9w1 so/sp
Otto IEI-Fe 6w7
Martin EII-Ne
Nelson SEE-Se 8w9 sx/so ?
Moe SLI-Si 6w5 so/sp
Barney ILE-Ne
Krusty EIE-Ni
Milhouse ILE-Ti
Reverend Lovejoy SLI-Te
Sideshow Bob SEI-Si
Grandpa Simpson LSI-Ti
Patty ESI-Se
Selma ESI-Se
Principal Skinner LIE-Te 1w2 sp/so
Apu IEI-Fe 3w4
Comic nerd LII-Ne
Ms. Crabapple IEE-Fi
Groundkeeper Willie SLI-Te
Herb LIE-Ni ?