Differentiating quasi-identicals j/p on basis of dual leading function

Hi, Hugo,

Quote:

---

If you choose :Si: you are INTj. If you choose :Se: you are INTp.

---

I choose :Se: , which probably confirms that I am an INTp.

This is interesting. How does this work? What's the methodology behind - the "opposite/hidden" functions reflect a type's "subconciousness" or "hidden strengths"?

But I always assumed that the "opposite/hidden" functions actually indicate a type's "weaknesses", not "strengths", could you explain this? I would like to learn about this.

Thanks.

Dear VivPhilos,

Please study Model A. Also see www.socionika.com/blocks.html

Also dear VivPhilos,

I will soon be writing an article on INTp--ESFp duality as expressed in an incident between Ludwig Wittgenstein and David Pinsent. See if you can see yourself in Wittgenstein (I did!)


Your INTp friend,

Cone

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cone

Also dear VivPhilos,

I will soon be writing an article on INTp--ESFp duality as expressed in an incident between Ludwig Wittgenstein and David Pinsent. See if you can see yourself in Wittgenstein (I did!)

---

OK, Cone.

Cheers!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugo

Dear VivPhilos,

Please study Model A. Also see www.socionika.com/blocks.html

---

Thanks, Hugo,

I had a look of the link, but am onfused with this "block/ego" thing... what's that to do with your last message of type opposites and comparisons?

By the way, I don't know about this Model A thing - I assume it is the "Groups" (i.e. Alpha, Beta and so on) thing when different types are together, is that right?

Sorry, I am just very new on this topic, and thanks agin.

I've come up with something else. Say you are INFx, choose the one that describes you the better:

:Si:
The strongest element of ISTp's personality is an inexhaustible curiosity towards the phenomena of the surrounding world. They are interested in adventure/tourism, the juxtaposition of cultures and the study of nature and architecture. ISTp's fundamental need is comfort both in material and physical areas. They aspire to a harmonious, peaceful and healthy style of life. They also have a well-developed aesthetic taste.

:Se:
ESTps are, without a doubt, wilful and determined people. They always set themselves important and far-reaching goals. They don't like to waste their energy on small, unimportant matters. ESTps are very flexible people and can easily adapt to changing situations, compromising if necessary, without losing sight of the main objective. They are in their element in critical situations. They are prepared to take great risks, but never without good reason. ESTps like to demonstrate their bravery, intelligence, will power and cool head.

If you choose :Si: you are INFj. If you choose :Se: you are INFp.


This one seems to work for me, thank you Hugo, now we would still need an INFP point of view though...

Dear VivPhilos,

Learn the basics first.

Dear Curious,

I was going to make one especially for you. But it looks like you've already done it.

Thanks.

Pedro, what do you think?

Also Cone, what do you think? although I think you will agree with me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugo

Dear VivPhilos,

Learn the basics first.

---

Sure, I am.

Do you/anyone have a "good" website introducing MODEL A??

Thank you!!

Hugo,

By the way, I think the website you gave me was probably a good one, but I haven't read it properly.

So will try more.

Thanks again!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugo

Pedro, what do you think?

Also Cone, what do you think? although I think you will agree with me.

---

I think the phrasing is a little off change it to "which of these do you aspire to?" (a relaxing life or a life of power kind of thing).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VivPhilos

Does anyone have a "good" website introducing MODEL A??

Thank you!!

---

http://the16types.info/models.php

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VivPhilos

Not sure I should go to any INTj's homes anymore! :lol:

---

Don't say that :( People are biased enough against us already.

Some other manifestations of -:Fi: that are not negative but more neutral:

-Fi

* the moral estimation of behavior and judgments of people as societies.
* the skill to understand, to estimate interrelations between the people in the groups, the associations, the society.
* the rules of behavior, accepted in the association, society.
* the estimation of the social relations: the open expression of its views on them.
* manipulation on the relations between the people in the groups, the skill to erect deep multipass intrigue in the association, using any psychological distances, to create and to impose its moral standards.
* tendency toward the rigid morals with the polar views - hatred- love, confidence- suspiciousness, mercy- ostracism, good- evil and so forth, etc.
* a feeling of debt, responsibility with respect to of group, organization, association, society, in which there is membership.
* generally - the relation between the people in the society, general human ethical rituals, the morals of society.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VivPhilos

But in general, INTps seem "warmer" people than INTjs, is that right?

---

Yes but depending on the person it can be a shameless ploy to excercise their hidden agenda.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugo

Pedro, what do you think?

Also Cone, what do you think? although I think you will agree with me.

---

I think the phrasing is a little off change it to "which of these do you aspire to?" (a relaxing life or a life of power kind of thing).

---

But does the "which one describe you better" thing on page 4 work?

Quote:

---

Whoever has this website is a damn genius, use the links at the bottom for more information if you need it:

http://www.geocities.com/tommylove9000/model.html

---

Thanks, Curious. I think Hugo already gave me that. Maybe it is a good website, but I didn't read all the pages, so I will need to read it more to understand this Model A thing.

Quote:

---

http://the16types.info/models.php

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

VivPhilos wrote:
Not sure I should go to any INTj's homes anymore!

---

Don't say that People are biased enough against us already.

---

---

Thanks, Pedro!

OK, won't say that anymore. I will just dropp in one of the INTj's home tomorrow :lol:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugo

But does the "which one describe you better" thing on page 4 work?

---

It would if you rephrased it. I don't think it would have worked without the rephrasing when I was first involved in Socionics and didn't know as much about it.

@Viv Yayyyyy!!! :)

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugo

But does the "which one describe you better" thing on page 4 work?

---

It would if you rephrased it. I don't think it would have worked without the rephrasing when I was first involved in Socionics and didn't know as much about it.

@Viv Yayyyyy!!! :)

---

---

Totally lost, mate! :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VivPhilos

[Thanks again for the ref.

This is getting exciting, never thought about this before. I will see whether these are true thru future observation.

But in general, INTps seem "warmer" people than INTjs, is that right?

---

Well, as you fortunately :wink: realized there are a lot of weird theories in socionics... It is always up to you to figure out what makes sense and what does not. In general I would agree with Pedro, on average INTPs appear warmer, but at least INTP women can be very complicated creatures, mysteriously attractive and unpredictable, yet ultimately unattainable - or so it seems to me...

oooops.. forgot to login. You knew it was me anyway. Who else would it be? :wink: Anyway, here we go again, sorry.

Quote:

---

In general I would agree with Pedro, on average INTPs appear warmer,

---

Goodie goodie.

Quote:

---

but at least INTP women can be very complicated creatures,

---

hahaha!!

Quote:

---

mysteriously attractive

---

Hey, I take that as a compliment!!

Quote:

---

and unpredictable,

---

Sure, but I won't tell you when! :wink:

Quote:

---

yet ultimately unattainable

---

Yes, agree, but ony ULTIMATELY! :wink:

INTp women sound so exciting, now I want to be one, or stay being one! How about you, Cone? (oh, I forgot, Cone might be a boy! Sorry :oops: )

Quote:

---

INTp women sound so exciting, now I want to be one, or stay being one! How about you, Cone? (oh, I forgot, Cone might be a boy! Sorry )

---

Yes, I am a man, through and through. Don't know if I'm 'mysterious and unattainable' though...

Quote:

---

Yes, I am a man, through and through. Don't know if I'm 'mysterious and unattainable' though...

---

No, I don't believe you, you cannot be a man! A million dollors bet!

You know what? Sometimes I am intuitive. :wink:

Quote:

---

No, I don't believe you, you cannot be a man! A million dollars bet!

---

E-mail me, and I'll give you the address for where to send the check... :wink:

But I could be wrong... :D :D :D

Quote:

---

E-mail me, and I'll give you the address for where to send the check... :wink:

But I could be wrong... :D :D :D

---

[/quote]

Sure, you ARE wrong!! No check necessary, no doubt! :wink:

Man, is this what female INTps are like?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cone

Man, is this what female INTps are like?

---

:o :D :( :lol: :P

Yes! Yes! Yes!

You know, Viv, I've never seen so much enthusiasm and optimism from one person on the Internet. It's quite...beautiful, I might say!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Guess who?

You bet!
Just combine a very friendly demeanor with many of the oldham's type qualities

dislikes
intimacy
being involved in a group
other people (because they are intrusive)
closeness
close relationships
being encumbered by other people
being encumbered by employment
actions by others that represent encroachment
close encounters
having to share decision making
showing feelings
sexual experiences with others
social responsibilities
http://www.the16types.info/types-INTP.php

(this post may disapper quickly)

---

Oh, boy (I mean woman!), now we get the TRUE picture of INTps (including females?)

Maybe, maybe not....
A relationship with an INTP woman goes kind of like this:
:wink: :shock: :? :lol: :P :o :( :) :D (I am sure there is a happy end for some lucky guy)

CONE,

I AM FIRST!!!

SEE MY NEXT MESSAGE AFTER CURIOUS'!

HAHAHA, I WIN!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CuriousSoul

Maybe, maybe not....
A relationship with an INTP woman goes kind of like this:
:wink: :shock: :? :lol: :P :o :( :) :D (I am sure there is a happy end for some lucky guy)

---

hehehe... there you go... sounds very experienced :lol:

ooops... how do we know Curious is NOT a FEMALE?! :wink:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cone

You know, Viv, I've never seen so much enthusiasm and optimism from one person on the Internet. It's quite...beautiful, I might say!

---

Thank you!

Oh, I should say (instead) this is only because I am an INTp female! :wink:

**So, I will get rid of / rub off my last message....

Let's see who is quicker to get it first! :lol:

Okay, Pedro and sorry... :oops:

Until next accident ... i.e. forgetting to loggin... hehe...

Don't worry, we can always delete the double posts later. Often you have to log in twice before you are properly logged in. I was thinking it might be because the server needs to recognize the "cookie" so that it knows it is you, or something like that maybe. :?

And sorry, but there won't be a picture forthcoming. I prefer to remain the International Man of Mystery. Reality is not half as exciting. . :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hugo

Say you are INTx, choose the one that describes you the better:

:Si:
The strongest element of ISFp's character is their ability to find pastimes that fill their life with joy and happiness. They are irreplaceable when it comes to organising leisure time and entertainment. They are in their creative element when surrounded by beauty, a warm atmosphere, good company and good food. They really know how to enjoy life. ISFps prefer spending their leisure time with friends, family and among nature rather than in more physical activities.

:Se:
ESFp's strongest virtues are resolution and enterprise. Their type of personality often possesses an inclination to leadership. They are not afraid to take leadership when a global task is involved. They always show self-confidence, even in the most adverse situations. They know well how to defend themselves and their reputation against unjust accusations. ESFps take an active interest in the welfare of their families, helping if necessary.

If you choose :Si: you are INTj. If you choose :Se: you are INTp.

---

Pedro and Cone and anyone else that is INTx, does this work for you?