Griffith LIE-Ni
Guts ESI-Se
Caska IEE-Fi
Corkus LSI-Se
Pippin LSE-Te
Judeau ILI-Te
Rickert SEE-Se
Queen SLI-Te
Princess SEE-Fi
Gen. Boscogne LSE-Te
Zodd SLE-Se
Minister ESE-Fe
Incredible anime (and manga).
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Griffith LIE-Ni
Guts ESI-Se
Caska IEE-Fi
Corkus LSI-Se
Pippin LSE-Te
Judeau ILI-Te
Rickert SEE-Se
Queen SLI-Te
Princess SEE-Fi
Gen. Boscogne LSE-Te
Zodd SLE-Se
Minister ESE-Fe
Incredible anime (and manga).
I'm not sure if I agree with most of those.
I saw in some thread that you had classified the anime as Beta... I'd would curious to know why beta and not Gamma.
Themes about fate and free will and whatnot. Focus is on character's Drama fits... Griffith for example. A lot more "colorful" than something I'd expect out of a Serious quadra (Mushishi is my standard here, but Tortov Roddle and Clannad are also good picks, imo; Speed Grapher might be something to look at though).
I think I am going to change the typings of Caska (former ESI, now IEE) and Guts (former SxE, now ESI). Griffith stays as LIE. Corkus is also LSI instead of IEI, probably.
The question was for Logos, but thanks for answering anyway.Quote:
Themes about fate and free will and whatnot. Focus is on character's Drama fits... Griffith for example. A lot more "colorful" than something I'd expect out of a Serious quadra (Mushishi is my standard here, but Tortov Roddle and Clannad are also good picks, imo; Speed Grapher might be something to look at though).
So basically; the show is "too emotional" to be serious quadra, correct?
Hmm, almost, but not quite. I think Serious anime can deliver their own emotional punches, but they'll do it in a less SO I'M UNLEASHING THE APOCALYPSE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TORTURED >: way. If you want emotional Gamma, check Pokemon or Naruto. I mean, c'mon, Charizard, or Dramazard?
My opinion on my opinions: still need forming. Drama flavor is looking like it's not really a valid Quadra litmus test. I'll think about this a bit more.
Hmm, the thing is that I'm not sure if to categorize berserk as "emotional" per se. Intense... maybe.
Well, you guys are welcome to provide alternate typings for any of the characters.
Clearly Ni valuing, clearly EJ temperament. What he is doing is creative Ni, and HA Se, so this typing makes no sense whatsoever. If he is not LIE, then he would have to be a EIE. Perhaps I could see some sense on this if Griffith was an ILI, because super-egos sometimes seem similar.
No, she seems more of a SLI, but that doesn't seem to be her real persona. She has toughened herself up over the course of her life, but she is delta NF, and probably IEE, with decent Se role function.Quote:
Caska LSI
Possible, although he seems too physical to me to be Ne > Se. Also seems Ni valuing (goes on a quest to find himself, etc). Very loyal unless crossed, in what appears to be a base Fi manner. Another character that has toughened himself up over the curse of the years.Quote:
Guts ILE
No way. Typical LSI. He has a paranoid, contrary attitude typical of the negative manifestation of the type.Quote:
Corkus IEE
This typing makes no sense to me at all. Seriously.Quote:
Pippin IEI
I hesitated between ILE, and ILI, but settled on ILI. Not rational, not extroverted, Se valuing most likely.Quote:
Judeau ESE
No. SEE or EIE. Typical slightly hyperactive, big hearted kid. Clearly extroverted.Quote:
Rickert LII
No. Aristocratic? Sure, but delta. SLI or LSE imo.Quote:
Queen EIE
???.... huh? Total EII.Typical dreamy girl.Quote:
Princess SLE
Same as Pippin? Sure. But not IEI, man.Quote:
Gen. Boscogne IEI
Wow, the most Se valuing EII I have ever seen. Clear "I live for battle" attitude SLE. It's interesting because he acts in contrast to Guts, and the difference becomes apparent (It's the main reason I think Guts is Fi valuing).Quote:
Zodd EII
ESE. Si-Ne valuing, Fe-Ti valuing. Manipulative schemer with a total lack of forethought (Base Fe, Ni PoLR). I have a hard time imagining a LIE in this role.Quote:
Minister LIE
lol sorry. I was drunk and just posted all the conflictors of what you thought. :lol:
Haven't seen the series but from what my brother's told me, it sounds like what Gul's said.
Ha-ha.
Had an ah-hah moment.
Code:Griffith - LIE
Guts - SLE
Caska - ESI
Not that sure about these, but I wanted to post them if anyone cares and is familiar with the manga.
manga
Code:Shierke - IEI
Farnese - ESE
Serpico - SLI
Isidoro - SEE
Puck - IEE
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Berserk is pretty fucking fantastic. Almost through the manga and watched the anime awhile back. Guts is SLE, Casca is probably ESI, Griffith LIE, Puck is IEE, Isidro probably SxE, Schierke IEI, Serpico SLI.
What the fuck is all of this. Guts is extroverted, no chance he's an ESI. I always thought he's a SLE, mainly because he has strong Se and is prone to losing control (Fi Polr). And what's with Judeau being an ILI? Where that Fe Polr at? Clear cinnamon roll, too good, too pure, but not an ILI. LIE seems more plausible. As for Griffith... I'm not sure. I would say he's Fe dominant but his lack of empathy contradicts it. However he is a skilled manipulator, and is able to read people's emotions very easily (minister Foss). He also seems like a clear Beta. I would really say he's an IEI but his Te is far stronger than that of an IEI, he's very strategic and scarily ambitious. EIE perhaps? Charisma, leadership skills... Seems right, despite the said lack of empathy, which I would say is a learned trait. His life as Femto does not count. Whoever types Charlotte as an extrovert/Se dominant... You need help.
Guts: ESI-Se
Griffith: EIE
Guts: SLI
This makes a lot more sense.
Griffith is EIE.
:thinking: the only manga with a dedicated soundtrack... THE manga... that one story about being human.
Yeah, Gatsu is SLI 8w9 sp/sx imo..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzGpUWGEKqU
Griffith EIE about as obvious EIE supervillain as you get
Casca LSI ?? Seems to have unrequited duality with Griffith, so maybe a supervisory or beneficiary relationship?
Guts SLI or LSI. SLI because he seems to reject most beta values but LSI because he doesn't care about his body/only cares about not having weakness.
I am watching this right now. The show is extremely beta-themed. I am constantly amazed by how just absolutely bad a lot of the plot and music are and how I am drawn to it anyway. The art style of the 1997 anime is leagues above the later stuff and it's disappointing they didn't keep it.
The end of the 1997 anime and the 2017 season so far are just surreal.. I can't get over how creeped out I am by it
Guts - Delta ST
Griffith - EII. EIE is not something I considered but I can see how it makes sense in how he operates.
Judeau - IEE
Hard for me to say with the rest.
I've heard EIE griffith, and LSI guts. I forget who though, and don't really care to check. Never seen the show.
IMO after recent understanding of socionics Griffith is EIE-D So/Sx 3w4 and Guts LSI-C sp/sx 8w9. Guts ignores a lot of Si in order to do what he does, his entire thing is surviving and suffering to overcome the odds. Even his Berserk armor works in a way that causes him pain and damage in exchange for power to impackt the external environment. With every major encounter he loses something, his eye, his arm, broken bones stitched together by the arores internal spikes, his sanity and so on. That is clear Se>Si. His duality with Griffith is also obvious. The one thing guts retains however is his humanity, he seems to learn and grow as a human being with every encounter and event.
All Berserk animes are garbage. Read the manga, its one of the best managas of all time: https://readberserk.com/
Even has it's own theme song album specially dedicated since the olden days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjY5b6wdm8Q
I wish they would have avoided the crap 3D animation, chopping up the story... and just turn it into a series of movies with similar animation to Hellsing Ultimate with proper timeline.
Griffith EIE. Still weird, he seem to focus on personal goal more than people, or the society, mankind...
Guts LSI or ESI. He seem to have more Fi and less Ti than typical LSI, value Fi relationship more than Ti logic. Maybe it's why in the end he's not fit well with Griffith (mirage?)
The main character in Vagabond look like Beta ST more than Guts, Ti is more obvious.
RIP the author, my favourite Ni mangaka.
This manga now is endless...
I get the people on here that are saying LIE for Griffith but my boy is an EIE. He is too much like me.
Guts is an LSI or SLE-Ti, I can see myself being drawn to someone like him as Griffith is.
Casca :cry: poor casca. I don't think Casca and Guts have a very favorable type relationship and they are drawn to each other because of their experiences and love for each other. But they fought the whole show, even when they liked each other.
She was also aware that Griffith had a stronger interest in Guts than her, and that caused issues. She views Griffith differently from Guts as well, she feels responsible for him and kind of mothers him. She also does not like to share feelings.
She's hard to type. Her dedication and appreciation for Griffith eliminate the possibility of a conflict or superego imo. I think she is LSI or ESI. People are saying she is IEE or something, I don't think that.
Not only was she a member of the band of the Hawk she was a high-ranking member who was known as a top fighter amongst the men, the toughness isn't a front.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4PcHYCgXtc&ab_channel=DroogComics
This is also the most relatable EIE-LSI relationship quote in the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEW8c5MQ7io&t=202s&ab_channel=OniM iqo%27te
This is a good example as well.
Who cares about the rest? lol
The anime Griffith (the original 1997 one, which is the good one) seemed LIE, maybe LIE-Ni. He's just too intelligent, perceptive, dextrous, and strategic to be an EIE. The manga one seems IEI, has a more beta NF look. But since he turned out teh gayz0r and more of an antichrist, you can keep him if you wish.
Guts is SLE and Caska is SEE.
Here, http://dm.sakinorva.net/view?id=321 , LIE and EIE are tied.
Came back to give a correction to my previous takes.
Guts - SLE
Casca - ESI
Griffith - EIE then IEI
Zodd - SLE
Schierke - EII
Isiordo - SxE
Puck and Ivalera - EIE
Faranise - xSI
Serpico - He is hard since he was so secretive but I always thought of him as EIE.
Guts feel too soft and sometime seem Fi like. He is Beta ST for sure but still really weird
I have come to the conclusion that Griffith is an artificial (man-made) deva/avatar of a god. I wonder how Kentaro Miura came up with him. As such, he has a hybrid type combination only present in avatars, which is why he is such an awesome character. I detect IEI, EIE, LIE, and SLI in him (which is not possible for a normal human).
That is implied, if not stated, canon. The Godhead and the realm they come from (can't remember the name since it's been a while) exists as a materialization of the ideal. The mixture of this world with the mundane and then the eventual domination of the ideal good over the ideal bad is Griffith's apparent goal, but since he himself is a manifestation of evil, this world would only be complete with his annihilation.
Griffith; ENFj-Fe/D
Gutts; ESTp-Ti/N>ISTj-Se/C
You can VI some characters of that Anime if you want !
In a fictional work yes, but narrative devices might be different from real life appeareances, furthermore if someone is not "playing" a specific aesthetic it's unreasonable to see appeareance matters as determinant for personality (or impersonation).
If some artist is setting predefined boundaries for types of people and within those boundaries he observes certain physical traits, and then when trying to build up his characters he uses these type categories, and if we have a similar frame for reference to see these categories, then it would be "somewhat justified" to use VI on fiction. Then you run into the impossibility to verify if the type categories are correct definitions of "types" or the physical trait correlations are accidental or imprecise for example. It's not a weird occurrence that the experience with people is different depending on the person.
If you take a look at VI you'll also notice different socionist work with very different traits for type, sometimes even contradictory, and these are all within the same typology
The problems and the lack of validity of VI are more pronounced than they seem. Socionics itself is vague and different interpretations of it contradict each other daily.
Although I recognize there's a bit of validity on VI and similar people sometimes share physical traits and mannerisms, I think it's unreliable for definitive typings.
I'm not a fan of VI, but I have to admit that some physical traits can reveal some of our temperaments traits. Some Artists do it better than other though :
This video is awesome beyond words. Based on this video, I will try to type all the characters:
Guts - SLE-Ti
Judeau - EII-Ne
Pippin - ESE-Fe
Corkus - SLI-Te
Rickert - SEI-Si
Princess Charlotte - SEI-Fe
Farnesse de Vandimion - LII-Ti 1w2
Serpico - ILI-Te
Mozgus - SLE-Se
Luca - SLI-Te
Schierke - IEE-Fi
Isidro - EIE-Fe
Isma - SEI-Si
Roderick of Schtauffen - LSE-Si
Sonia - IEI-Fe
Locus - ESI
Irvine - ILE-Ti
Grunbeld - SLI-Si
Slan - EIE-Ni
Nosferatu Zodd - ILE-Ne
Moonlight Boy - EII
Caska - SEE
Griffith - IEE-Ne (!!!!)
When a writer crafts a character, they subconciously imprint a valid (even according to socionics) structure on the character. If they're well written, that is; like the characters of Berserk. Socionics/enneagram types are immanent archetypes. This reflects on their VI, which also results as valid.
That is if you take TIM as archetypal. I don't take TIM as archetypal, but as a boundary of metrics of attention/construction of certain "modes of information" essentially a "biological" kaleidoscope through which your eyes are "painting" a specific situation, all organized through dichotomical metrics in the Model A.
The physical traits or even behavioral/personality characteristics, in my book, are an indirect, casual, colloquial observation of how this information processing then affects other aspects of the psyche.
Enneagram seems to me like there's some personality tendency (non-socionics, rather neurological, hormonal, educational reasons) that predetermine a person to react to certain traumatic or significant experiences building up behaviors and coping mechanisms. These are varied but because of convergency of "repetitive" genetic and cultural tendencies some specific complexes tend to repeat more than others and these are then categorized as enneatypes.
Inmanent essences are rather the form and noumenal cause for the natural object's composition as well as for the moving force for the laws through which these interact, which we just observe repeat and define as scientific laws. Archetypes are entities from the unconscious psyche, either individual or collective.
Anybody wants to try to type them in enneagram using the video?
Griffith did nothing wrong.
I think something is wrong with me, I just had a post coital tristesse moment and all I could think of was Guts.