Examples: Alpha and Delta

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Originally Posted by fear of sleep

I'm pretty sure he's :Fi: seeking, LSE>LIE.

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Care to explain your reasoning's?

I actually did a little research on him and I'm convinced on SLE, as he disregards Ne usage in his speech

Here is an example:
"I am not agnostic. I am atheist. I don’t think there is no God, I know there’s no God. I know there’s no God same way I know many other laws in our universe. I know there’s no God and I know most of the world knows that as well. They just won’t admit it because there’s another thing they know. They know they’re going to die and it freaks them out. So most people don’t have the courage to admit there’s no God and they know it. They feel it. They try to suppress it. And if you bring it up they get angry because it freaks them out."

He rejects :Te: facts in place of personal views as well as :Ne: potential that he may be wrong, such as stating "and I know most of the world knows that as well". He doesn't say "I believe" or "Probably..." he states his presumptions as facts, which is not at all uncommon with Beta ST's.

*btw, please don't turn this into a religious debate, I just used this example to show his preferred functions in communication*

They're other factors into my belief of SLE, such as the fact that I find him repulsive :lol:

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Originally Posted by leckysupport

Different is good.

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I meant "different from the banana cream pie recipe video". :lol: But yeah, it's different in that way, too. You should listen to the way he did Beethoven's 5th symphony.

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Originally Posted by leckysupport

Don't get me wrong, Oscar Peterson was great and everything, but I think we should all move on.

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I'm not sure I get what you're saying here...

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Originally Posted by Parkster

I'm not sure I get what you're saying here...

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Nothing, ignore everything I said.

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Originally Posted by leckysupport

Nothing, ignore everything I said.

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I got the feeling that you might not want to talk about him anymore or that you thought I was talking too much (about something you're not greatly interested about).

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Originally Posted by Parkster

I got the feeling that you might not want to talk about him anymore or that you thought I was talking too much (about something that does not interest you.)

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No, I meant Petrescu sounded a little too similar to Peterson.

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Originally Posted by leckysupport

No, I meant Petrescu sounded a little too similar to Peterson.

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Oh okay. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

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Originally Posted by Parkster

Oh okay. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

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No problem.

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Originally Posted by Marie84

Care to explain your reasoning's?

I actually did a little research on him and I'm convinced on SLE, as he disregards Ne usage in his speech

Here is an example:
"I am not agnostic. I am atheist. I don’t think there is no God, I know there’s no God. I know there’s no God same way I know many other laws in our universe. I know there’s no God and I know most of the world knows that as well. They just won’t admit it because there’s another thing they know. They know they’re going to die and it freaks them out. So most people don’t have the courage to admit there’s no God and they know it. They feel it. They try to suppress it. And if you bring it up they get angry because it freaks them out."

He rejects :Te: facts in place of personal views as well as :Ne: potential that he may be wrong, such as stating "and I know most of the world knows that as well". He doesn't say "I believe" or "Probably..." he states his presumptions as facts, which is not at all uncommon with Beta ST's.

*btw, please don't turn this into a religious debate, I just used this example to show his preferred functions in communication*

They're other factors into my belief of SLE, such as the fact that I find him repulsive :lol:

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The idea of religion and spirituality seem to bother him, wouldn't you agree? He views the non-existence of god as a fact that people just need to accept. The guy trucks in rage about mundane, every-day things, like the soccer/football video I posted earlier. Here's one more rant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbmCWSDauw8
You don't need to watch the whole thing, but near the end he starts throwing around "hypocrite" a lot for things that aren't necessarily hypocritical. For example, "gun people" if they are in favor of rights, they would be letting us grow pot, but they only like guns. The LSEs I know do this a lot. They just want some EII to validate their sentiments.

ok here's another one, it seems like he's coming to the defense of nice guys. He's not making fun of anyone really, or adding any :Fe: to the mix, he's just stating it very matter-of-factly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWQqk8OKyU
and, for reasons unknown, my mom (an EII) loves him and watches him or listens to him every chance she gets.

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Originally Posted by fear of sleep

The idea of religion and spirituality seem to bother him, wouldn't you agree? He views the non-existence of god as a fact that people just need to accept. The guy trucks in rage about mundane, every-day things, like the soccer/football video I posted earlier. Here's one more rant:


You don't need to watch the whole thing, but near the end he starts throwing around "hypocrite" a lot for things that aren't necessarily hypocritical. For example, "gun people" if they are in favor of rights, they would be letting us grow pot, but they only like guns. The LSEs I know do this a lot. They just want some EII to validate their sentiments.

ok here's another one, it seems like he's coming to the defense of nice guys. He's not making fun of anyone really, or adding any :Fe: to the mix, he's just stating it very matter-of-factly.

and, for reasons unknown, my mom (an EII) loves him and watches him or listens to him every chance she gets.

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:confused: Whoa, I wouldn't know what to say to someone who rants like this... For one, corrupt politicians and religious fanaticism isn't a new "fad" that just happened a century ago, so it seems naive to be so angry about something like this. Another thing is how the doctor and him are saying that the morning after pill doesn't have negative consequences (if I remember correctly). Ok, we're talking about a pill that prevents ovulation, not just a simple headache... How can this not be something potentially harmful to a woman's body? At least that's the way I look at it, and considering how much of medicine is driven by money, it wouldn't surprise me that some things might get approved with less than optimal experimentation. On a side note, I wonder if he knows that it is illegal in America to state that something other than a drug is a cure for a disease, and maybe for ovulation, pregnancy, but I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by fear of sleep

The idea of religion and spirituality seem to bother him, wouldn't you agree? He views the non-existence of god as a fact that people just need to accept. The guy trucks in rage about mundane, every-day things, like the soccer/football video I posted earlier. Here's one more rant:

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It's not about what he believes it's how he states it that shows a rejection of :Ne: "I know"
In terms of "facts" as in logical correctness, this is Ti, not Te

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You don't need to watch the whole thing, but near the end he starts throwing around "hypocrite" a lot for things that aren't necessarily hypocritical. For example, "gun people" if they are in favor of rights, they would be letting us grow pot, but they only like guns. The LSEs I know do this a lot. They just want some EII to validate their sentiments.

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and, for reasons unknown, my mom (an EII) loves him and watches him or listens to him every chance she gets.

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Your mom is probably not an EII if you still think Corolla is an LSE. Offensive, obnoxious, frat-boy SLE humor

We've done a good job with alpha in this thread.


We've done a terrible job--foreign language examples excepting--with delta.



I no longer believe Michael J Fox is Delta (ENFp...) He's likely Gamma (ENTj, to be specific...) I think that the forum member meatburger is the best example we've got of a real life ENFp... I can't think of a single famous one.

ESTjs? INFjs? I know some dentists and librarians--but no one anyone here would know...

SLIs?? I met one recently who was a park ranger... I can't think--off the top of mmy head--of a single famous example... My step-grandfather is ISTp, an and his wife, INFj...

In other words, I know what these ppl look like... I'm just looking for celebrity examples, so that I can show other people what they look like.

fictional characters = fine


Barbara Bush?

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Originally Posted by JuJu

I no longer believe Michael J Fox is Delta (ENFp...) He's likely Gamma (ENTj, to be specific...) I think that the forum member meatburger is the best example we've got of a real life ENFp... I can't think of a single famous one.

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Michael J Fox?

As in obvious-EP-temperament-is-obvious Michael J Fox? Really?

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Originally Posted by Banana Pancakes

Michael J Fox?

As in obvious-EP-temperament-is-obvious Michael J Fox? Really?

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Same here, I can't picture him as anything but IEE, and defiantly not Te dominant

These are a few Deltas - can't get photo's as I'm at work. Honestly can't think of any A-List type people that I'd be 100% certain with. I think Delta's on the whole become famous for excelling in some niche area and tend to keep themselves to themselves. Possibly why you don't get many (any?) in the self-perpetuating fame circus.
I have actually found that I agree with alot of the Delta typings on Socionics.com. There are a fair few in the public eye, certainly here in the U.K.
Here's a few I can think of.


Ian Hislop - SLI
British Journalist - Editor of Private Eye
T.V Panelist on British Topical News Quiz "Have I got News For You"
One of the few 'famous' people I am certain is an SLI
Unfortunately at work and can't add photo's but you can google him.

Simon Pegg - SLI
British Actor/Writer - Wrote and starred in Shaun of the Dead, Spaced and Hot Fuzz.


Dom Joly - IEE (possibly ILE)

Louis Theroux - EII
Journalist - Archetypal EII - this man is the very definition of a delta NF- possibly the best example ever recorded by a video camera

Nick Frost - EII
Actor
Best friends with Simon Pegg - bit of a guess regarding his type, but seems to fit

Adam Buxton - IEE
Comedien/Journalist Possibly Alpha -However he seems to have more of a Fi vibe and humanist thing going on.

Amy Winehouse - SLI
singer (every female SLI I know loves her. kind of a feeling more than anything with regards to her type. But I think it would be more or less impossible to type her accurateley she's that messed up)

Dylan Moran - IEE
Comedian - Fairly sure of his type

Damon Hill - IEE
Racing Driver - I read an interview of his a while back and couln't believe how much I actually related to him.

I'll add and edit this later with photo's and video's and things - I'll possibly expand the list as well.

I actually met the spitting image of Arnold Swazarneger (no idea how to spell his name), anyway this guy was Arny in every way , looks mannerisms, he even spoke the same (eastern european) very similar rhythm to his speech. Anyway this guy was such an LSE.

Norah Jones as SLI?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLSAJBvcpY0

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Originally Posted by somavision

Ian Hislop - SLI
British Journalist - Editor of Private Eye
T.V Panelist on British Topical News Quiz "Have I got News For You"
One of the few 'famous' people I am certain is an SLI
Unfortunately at work and can't add photo's but you can google him.

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Not sure about Hislop, but here is a video of him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EajKlwB30L0

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Originally Posted by JuJu

We've done a good job with alpha in this thread.


We've done a terrible job--foreign language examples excepting--with delta.



I no longer believe Michael J Fox is Delta (ENFp...) He's likely Gamma (ENTj, to be specific...) I think that the forum member meatburger is the best example we've got of a real life ENFp... I can't think of a single famous one.

ESTjs? INFjs? I know some dentists and librarians--but no one anyone here would know...

SLIs?? I met one recently who was a park ranger... I can't think--off the top of mmy head--of a single famous example... My step-grandfather is ISTp, an and his wife, INFj...

In other words, I know what these ppl look like... I'm just looking for celebrity examples, so that I can show other people what they look like.

fictional characters = fine


Barbara Bush?

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If this post is supposed to appear impartial, you have done a poor job

it could've just been reduced to: There are no famous Delta's, they all look the same.

There had previously been a few suggestions for deltas in prior posts.

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

Norah Jones as SLI?

YouTube - Norah Jones @ Breakfast Television in Toronto

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SLI? With all that Fe she's displaying? If she's not Alpha SF, I'll eat my hat. :)

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Originally Posted by Krig the Viking

SLI? With all that Fe she's displaying? If she's not Alpha SF, I'll eat my hat. :)

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Well ok. (: That helmet looks like it'd be a bit too toughgoing. :-P

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

Well ok. (: That helmet looks like it'd be a bit too toughgoing. :-P

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Haha, indeed -- so you can see my level of confidence here. ;)

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

Norah Jones as SLI?

YouTube - Norah Jones @ Breakfast Television in Toronto

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I think it's plausible.

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Originally Posted by somavision

Ian Hislop - SLI
British Journalist - Editor of Private Eye
T.V Panelist on British Topical News Quiz "Have I got News For You"
One of the few 'famous' people I am certain is an SLI

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I can agree with this...

On the basis of her lyrics, I believe singer India.Arie is a delta NF, not sure on IEE or EII, but probably IEE.

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Originally Posted by Subterranean

I can agree with this...

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I just remembered reading this and the dots... made me think.

I was wondering if you knew the others I listed and whether you had an opinion on their types.

Here is an Alpha and Delta.

Guest charlatan Jillian Epperly is a motor-mouth ILE-Ti 3w4 so/sp and Dr. Phil is a LSE-Si 1w2 sp/so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUgQ004q0n0

Oh yeah, Camille Paglia is ILE-Ti 1w2 so/sp, so from the socionics overlap, we see in Jillian the same zealous, motormouthed advocacy of one's position and preoccupation with debate (in contrast to the more dispassionate, detached stance of the ILI)....and...Teal Swan is ESI 3w4 sp/so, so from the enneagram overlap, we see in Jillian a similar passion for deceit.

Russ Hudson...LII-Ti 9w1 sp/sx

Perfect VI match:

https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/lii-ti/

Perfect kinesthetic match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wFtBJGFgKU

Note, he mistypes as a sx/so 5w4.

*see Keith Raniere for an example of IEE-Fi 9w1 so/sp and Joseph Kony for SLE-Se 9w1 so/sp.

My foundations for socionics and enneagram are conceptually/structurally/logically flawless in their own right, but when combined and forged together, doesn't end up with exemplars being the same type, wing and stack that are clearly not. You don't wind up with impossibilities like Darth Vader and C3PO as the same type wing and stack, or Claudio Naranjo and Courtney Love as the same type, wing and stack. Such results indicate major conceptual/structural/logical flaws in the foundations (or no foundation at all; just air-castles in the sky). Stackemup Typology is the only one that lays a proper foundation for a valid unification of both Socionics and Enneagram. Niffweed could not conquer the unification of socionics and the enneagram like I did because he did not first establish a conceptually/structurally/logically flawless foundation-in-physical-reality for each typology, which could then be fused together in a manner that did not end up with the impossible combinations like EXXX, XSXX 5w6 or XXFX, IXXX 8w7....

Jeremy Sossei….LII-Ti 9w1 sp/so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNjORf41S-k

Bill Gates...LII-Ti 5w4 so/sp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfOHUVg2FcA

William Kassouf...LII-Ti 6w7 sp/so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_js4gpg6Sx8

Ashwin...ESE-Fe 3w2 so/sx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Za-SEP5DXY

Debbie...SEI-Si 2w1 sx/so

Debbie is an example of the SEI-Si cognition running on the 2w1 sx/so character type:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzh4AARBavU

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez....ESE-Si 2w3 sp/so

Added: https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/ese-si/

https://i0.wp.com/thepoliticalinside...C385&ssl=1

By the way, huge takedown by Stackemup Typology. For all her antics, the VI templates deflate her "cool and hip" bubbliness into just a simple, boring ESE-Si type.