Follow my lead by typing your MBTI type and socionics type like the following, and try not to have extra conversation here unless it's directly about your MBTI relating to your socionics type.
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Follow my lead by typing your MBTI type and socionics type like the following, and try not to have extra conversation here unless it's directly about your MBTI relating to your socionics type.
INTJ : LII
ENFP/ENFp
Changes depending on mood.
So, XXFP : SEI
ENFj: EIE
ENFP & ILE :Ti:
This typing fits you better, than your previous self-typing as NiTe.
INTP : NiTe
INTP is based on tests. Although I usually score only just slightly in favor P dichotomy. On the dichotomic/behavioural descriptions I'm INTP. On the functional descriptions I'm half-INTJ half-INTP.
ENFP : NeFi
I get INTX, but if I had to settle with one it would be INTP for the irrationality and cognitive functional order (TiNe...).
I get INFP in MBTI, and ... something in Socionics :confused: (IEE, EII, SEI, IEI all plausible)
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I score ISTP on MBTI and Kiersey tests, and SLI on socionics tests.
MBTI: INTP most of the time. Rarely INTJ.
Socionics: INTp, INTj, ISTp, ISTj.
ISTP:SLI
ENFP on mbti
undecided on socionics.
INTJ/LII
ENFP and ENFj
In MBTI I test as INTJ most of the time.
MBTT - INTP
Socionics - ILE > ILI > IEE > IEI
ENTP:EIE
MBTI: I've scored ENFP, ENTP, ESTP, ESFP, ISFP, ISTP, & ISTJ
Socionics: ESI
INTP - INTj
I don't identify with "definite and self-confident, ruthless implementor of plans" and don't see how any Si/Ne valuing type ever could.
MBTI: mostly INFP
socionics: ISFp
The results of the poll show that the correlation is evident.
Not really..11 of the 20 people (out of the total of 28) who said that they were the same on the Thinking/Feeling axis could have said they were different on one of the other three dichotomies...also, the difference/same subtotals don't add up to 28...which means in addition there are some people who are unsure if they score the same on a particular dichotomy.
The poll asks about correspondences in 4 dichotomies.
~75% of posters reported correspondence in at least one of those 4.
As far as the results go, statistically, there is no correlation whatsoever.
Plus, what about the people who are basing their typing off previous experiences with MBTI, who actually aren't typing themselves accurately?
Look at this:
That's what I'd like to call socionics at the end of the day.Quote:
Two of my friends:
INTJ : ESTp
INxP : ESTj
Yep.
If there was no correlation whatsoever, then you'd expect 100% of people to vote "difference" for each dichotomy, and 0% to vote "same".
If everybody identified in both systems with three out of four dichotomies, you'd get on average 75% of people voting "same" for each dichotomy, while having no apparent 1:1 correlation between the two systems (i.e. people having the 'same' type in both).
The average for people voting "same" is about 77%...and this does not take into account people who voted for neither "difference" or "same" for a particular dichotomy.
Your assumption in incorrect. ~50% means no correlation.
There are multiple options possible.
So in this actual case it's even possible that ~75% of the posters reported correspondence to all of the 4 dichotomies.
I wonder what numbers you would like to see to call it a correlation.
I don't believe you can have negative correlation in this case. You could if you were comparing two linear variables such as weight and height, but not if you were asking if there was a correlation between two systems (a 'yes' or 'no' answer)...in which case, it would go from a correlation of 0 to 100%.
Oh I see. But if 50% of people said there was a 1:1 correlation between their socionics type and their MBTI type, and 50% said there wasn't, it wouldn't mean that there was no correlation whatsoever between the two systems, would it? INTJs and INTps share at least some similarities for example.
If 50% of people said there was a 1:1 correlation between their socionics type and their MBTI type, and 50% said there wasn't, given that types are equally distributed(are they?), it would mean that there is a pretty strong correlation between the two systems. Why is that so? Well, we have 16 types, if equally distributed - than every type - 6.25% of socion. If there is no correlation between the two than one would expect for example that all MBTI ESTPs and other types would be approximatelly equally distributed along the socionics types(that meaninig 6.25% of MBTI ESTPs would be socionics ESTps, ILIs, IEIs etc.). But if 50% of ESTPs are SLEs, than, that's a good one correlation.
So...if 21 people voted that they have the same Thinking/Feeling dichotomy...there are 11 votes for a difference in the I/E, I/S, and J/P dichotomies. In addition, because it is known that 28 people voted, it can be calculated how many votes were not used because people weren't sure if one of the dichotomies was the same or different. For the I/E, I/S, and J/P dichotomies, this is 6 votes.
This could mean that of the 21 people who voted that they have the same Thinking/Feeling dichotomy in both systems, 17 of them could be different in one other dichotomy, or be uncertain. 4/21 = 19%, or 14% of the people who took part.
I keep wondering what numbers people would like to see, before they call this a correlation.
Remarks like 'there's no correlation at all' seem a bit to unjustifitied.
I'm certain that atleast a few voted the same type for MBTI and socionics because they don't know the difference. This number could definitely be bigger.
This kind of thing makes me think that maybe I am an ESTP in MBTI. It's plausible. I'm more of an ESTP than I am an ESTJ. It's just that I think ENTJ > ESTP.
Well yeah. MBTI Te is in some ways described similarly to :Se:.
I hate when people say MBTI Ne is socionics Ne. "No, because MBTI is a different theory than socionics. Two interpretations of Jung that look at two different elements of personality and have two different sets of dichotomies, that, get this, used one set of 16 types and one set of 8 letters." Bad call. They're the same people who think socionics P is MBTI P, J for J, which completely contradicts their previous statement. Just die already.
I don't think there is anyone who defends MBTI functions, since they are buggy as hell and should be ignored.
Their descriptions however are obvious similar. ISTP who's a master of tools in both theories for example. That's not a difference, but a striking similarity.