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ILI: political strategist/analyst
My problem is the 'searching' process. Do you have a special method for applying to jobs/interviews? Just keep calling and bugging them? It just does not seem like much is out there for a recent grad with 1+ year of work experience after school. I will pretty much do anything outside of working in fast food and retail.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevENTj
I am probably looking too close to home, and will have to look someplace in the city.
Interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saoshyant
I recently spent a year+ post-college in the same kind of "searching" limbo (in a multi-million people city, no less) and, like you, never found a thing (and, rarely, an interview).
On a whim, one day, I bought a ticket to NYC, found some bootleg Manhattan sublet on Craigslist, and applied to every last job I could find (market research, FWIW).
Long story short, a week or two in "the city" got me far more interviews/offers than well over a year "back home."
(Short story a little longer, though, New York rent on an entry-level budget didn't pan out.)
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TL;DR -- Head downtown.
Networking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saoshyant
As the old saying goes, "it's not what you know, it's who you know." Get on Relationships Matter | LinkedIn and connect with former classmates, work mates, or any friends of yours especially if you're in a similar field. Get recommendations where you can. Join relevant linkedin discussion groups for your field. There's lots of job boards on there, and of course have a very nicely formatted 1 page resume together too. Hit up everybody you know especially those that have jobs and see if their companies might be hiring. HR people and recruiters will always interview people that are already 'known' by someone in their company before anybody else, so utilize your network however you can.
At least for me there's plenty of stuff out there. The main challenge is finding stuff I can get to easily without ridiculously long commutes. Wife and I are settled down in a nice house now and she works too, so relocating isn't in the cards for us at this point. Plus the value of our home is still down by about $50k. :rolleyes:
If you're young and mobile, go where the jobs are.
Side note: I heard back from one of the places I interviewed at and they were very very impressed and thought I'd be a great fit for the company, but thought I'd be a better match for another group and would find the work more interesting and more technical, and plus it'd be closer to me (short commute). So... waiting to get another interview lined up maybe this coming week although difficult with Thanksgiving so possibly the week after. Sounds promising and only got very positive vibes from everybody, but you never know so I'm going to keep searching.
BTW, with the job market as it is, if you were thinking of grad school definitely do it. The job market will probably be a whole lot better by the time you finish a graduate degree.
Media Critic..although not so much anymore today. 90% of entertainment media can be summed up in two words.
I don't know about Writer.
Yes writer is good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
I've heard a couple of people call that profession in a similar question about ILI's.
Also there is harry potter. Written by an ILI.
... I just got a gut feeling you're as Si as said writer. O/N. :reallymad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
I heard they type the writer ILI (for example Rick), but if that's not the case, then I haven't said anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiss
How the heck you think I'm Si.
I have worked as an editor, and language and corporate trainer. Like to write a lot. Love learning languages (not the computer ones).
I am always looking for various perspectives on who we are and what is around us. So, subjects such as psychology, philosophy, astrology, organizational behaviour, soul studies, etc., fascinate me ... though I have not turned them into my career ... yet, except for OB.
Each of these subjects provide a unique view/insight (an absolutely Ni focus) into ourselves and our interaction with the environment.
Future interests include a formal degree in psychology, philosophy and micro-finance (the last one because everyone has a right to a secure life).
My deepest desire is to continue in the areas of self-development and maximize the human potential in each and empower people ... at the same time build structures in the environment that would promote growth for all.
Ni deals with perceptions. Work that allows for free use of Ni (with a need for systematizing) would be a natural choice for ILIs.
Though what I have actually seen is that ILIs get drawn to systems first and then start using their Ni... Probably because, Ni leading is absolutely introverted and operates without any reference to anything external or physical (... Si at least has objects or the body to meditate on ...).
Maybe that is why ILIs see themselves as ready to do any job.
+ 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
I think part of it depends a whole lot on what you want from a career.
There's a difference between just wanting to make a living and wanting a fulfilling career. I want the latter, and therefore my possible paths include
-psychologist/therapist
-artist
-novelist
stevENTj,
Not sure how far you came along in your research for systems engineer or where you are located but wanted to suggest Arinc as a source for information http://jobs.arinc.com for ILI career possibilities.
According to Reinin you want a career that fulfills the creative function, protects the polr, and satisfies the suggestive function. For ILIs that sounds like a career in business.
Use this handy guide to choose the correct career:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumer1an
http://i.imgur.com/rAAmp.jpg
Thanks for the tip...Quote:
Originally Posted by lise
I think a buddy or two of mine might have ended up at Arinc after the implosion at my last company. I had to take a few months off from my job hunt to tend to a very sick family member, but ended up getting something lined up in April and finally started in July. Didn't end up moving to systems, but took a really good job in my field based more on location than anything else. My commute is a whole 5 minutes now. Not too many people in the DC area can claim that. :D The savings in gas alone is gonna be a grand or two per year, not to mention quality of life improvements. Most of the other jobs I was looking at would have involved 45min to 1hr commutes each way. Some of those jobs might have been a bit cooler or sexier, but considering what I've been through with my sick family member I'd much rather be closer to home. The new job is awesome, a nice promotion, and a good 20-25% increase vs where I was before all things considered. Couldn't be happier, and really do need to count my blessings. :)
My best friend is an ILI and he's an embalmer. Recently got certified. Seems like the right kind of job for certain ILIs in that it's peaceful and it pays well.
SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY! GOODNIGHT!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_Plaza
An ILI friend does amateur standup, and I've considered getting into both mortuary science and Aubrey Plaza.
AT THE SAME TIME!Quote:
Originally Posted by k0rpsy
My book gives the following suggestions:
ILI need to be in a career that allows them to develop, analyze and critique new ideas. That is why you like being here. :p
A career that is challenging and deals with complex problems where they may try unconventional approaches and take risks to find the best solution.
Where they can work independently to have quiet and private time to concentrate and complete their thinking process.
Something that lets them set and maintain their won high standards (being a critical and analytical type).
Work in a flexible and unstructured environment.
other things if you want to email me I'll give you.
Computer/Technology
Are you good at this and do you have acquired skills in this department is my first question.
Health Care/Technical
Do you have interest in this, if yes, I have several options that you may study into.
Pharmacy
Physicians Assistant is a great option for an ILI, especially one who works in Endocrinology.
Professional/Business
If you have interest in banking, teller would be a great starting point for this. Go apply at a bank. :p
There are other options that are universally comfortable for anyone in this department.
Academic
Take any field you love and go become a teacher in higher level :p
Philosophy
Psychology
Quantum Physics
Creative fields
Designer of objects
Artist
Musician
redundancy whooshQuote:
Originally Posted by JWC3
My comments on this thread earlier...
To answer the OP, ILIs work best in careers where they need to draw practical empirical relationships to deliver some kind of product. Better if the empirical relationships involve dealing with uncertainty and creative solutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoutbox
dick inspector
my uncle is a policeman
Many ILIs I know have rather boring and horrible office jobs. They seem to despise them, but somehow they remain attracted to their stability and relative ease. These are the typical environments where you can meet ESIs, aswell - even though the typical roles played by those two types will generally differe quite a bit.
Some, who are happier, are either self-employed or work in academia.
I am a senior developer or team leader or something. I write software and I also tell the people in my team what's a good idea and what is not. I am OK with that job especially with the part where I discuss with people their ideas.
Through the magic of duality or some shit the implicit is actualized.Quote:
Originally Posted by exitmusic
bbut, that wasn't in any of the e-books, wikis or blogs. whoosh is on me then, as usual. :disappears in shame:
Socionicist comes to mind.
True, but human mind/body can be a "product" in development as well, which makes an ILI suited at Physician related careers as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleJim
As type is most often appears to me to be a function of life philosophy, are these genetic or learned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
Yeah I had something constructive to say, but instead I edited it out and replaced it with that to make sure everyone got the joke. It was a pretty funny joke I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by k0rpsy
My dream for the future is to become a video editor. I love splicing clips together, having power over those clips, and adding in music, deciding on the sequential order. I usually have and idea of what I want to do, but this may change as I go along, but completion is key. I just hope I can do something in the future involving creativity. I do a lot of art too, but it's more of a side thing. I would also want to be on the creative team for a movie studio. If I can't get a job at a studio, I want to edit on a smaller scale.
Currently, I have a clerical job, and I have had several others prior to this one. I am getting more new tasks at the job I am currently working at. I do data entry as well as put labels on bottles at a store. I am also taking classes and majoring in cinema studies.
Researcher in academia