SLI/ISTp of enneagram type 4
This is what we have so far:
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Winterpark
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ArchonAlarion
yeah SEI's can definitely be 4's
How about SLIs?
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Brilliand
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Winterpark
How about SLIs?
Hmm... different, but not socially so; perhaps different in work practices?
I think the SEI 4 might be related to :Ne: DS, but there may be a difference between the SEI's +Ne and the SLI's -Ne... as in the SLI wouldn't be insecure about being different, but just know himself to be different (and be insecure instead about what that entails).
All guesswork, of course; does any of that resonate with you?
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Winterpark
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Brilliand
All guesswork, of course; does any of that resonate with you?
Yes, well, that last sentence does. But could you expand?
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Brilliand
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Winterpark
Yes, well, that last sentence does. But could you expand?
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Brilliand
as in the SLI wouldn't be insecure about being different, but just know himself to be different (and be insecure instead about what that entails).
A Delta's abstract Ne would be more final than an Alpha's... in the sense of its decisions not being disturbed by anything else. If anything, it would disturb :Fi:. So I suppose your being different might create insecurities in your understanding of people/relationships (as opposed to Alpha's insecurity about the difference itself as it relates to social life).
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Winterpark
Thanks Brilliand.
I'm assuming you're not denying the possibility of an SLI being a 4, like many others would.
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Brilliand
If anything, it would disturb :Fi:.
What would disturb :Fi:? Or did you mean to say that it ("Delta's abstract Ne") could
be disturbed
by :Fi:?
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Brilliand
So I suppose your being different might create insecurities in your understanding of people/relationships (as opposed to Alpha's insecurity about the difference itself as it relates to social life).
What I get from this is that a Delta (an SLI) wouldn't care about not fitting social norms (which would be an Fe/Ti concern?) and therefore will not regard their difference as a problem or something that needs to be fixed or feel bad about it, but instead, the SLI 4 will focus on getting people to see & accept them for who & what they are and can become insecure about their ability to maintain stable interpersonal contact and about their difference affecting this ability negatively.
<-- Fi HA insecurities?
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Brilliand
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Winterpark
I'm assuming you're not denying the possibility of an SLI being a 4, like many others would.
I don't think I know enough about the Enneagram to make such a claim.
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Winterpark
What would disturb :Fi:? Or did you mean to say that it ("Delta's abstract Ne") could be disturbed by :Fi:?
In Alpha, Ne cycles into Fe. In Delta, Fi cycles into Ne. So Alpha Ne is to Alpha Fe as Delta Fi is to Delta Ne. If the Ne is insecure in Alpha due to the Fe -> the Fi is insecure in Delta due to the Ne.
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Winterpark
What I get from this is that a Delta (an SLI) wouldn't care about not fitting social norms (which would be an Fe/Ti concern?) and therefore will not regard their difference as a problem or something that needs to be fixed or feel bad about it, but instead, the SLI 4 will focus on getting people to see & accept them for who & what they are and can become insecure about their ability to maintain stable interpersonal contact and about their difference affecting this ability negatively. <-- Fi HA insecurities?
That fits. But from the angle I'm taking here, I'd expect that to be more related to Delta ST than to Fi HA (i.e. it would apply more to ESTjs than to INTps). Probably the INTps would not see the need to be different.