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http://www.enneagram.net/tritype.html
What do you think your tritype is?
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Thanks to Salawa for this link:
http://www.enneagram.net/tritype.html
What do you think your tritype is?
I am fairly sure that I am 4-7-8.
My guesses about other people:
Salawa: 1-5-4
strrrng: 4-6-8 (A more aggressive, reative 4? I think they had Nick in mind, lol)
implied: 6-4-9 sounds right
Khamelion: 6-4-9? 4-6-9? Hmmm, something is missing, though.
mn0good - hmmmm...7-8-3? But she doesn't seem that intense somehow.
FDG - 7-3-8
7-2-9.
Charm and disarm -> repair -> submit
Also consistent with surface/deep directions (embrace/embrace for power/give up for approval).
7-8-3 is what I'd decided before.
Having thought about it, probably 5-1-3.
9-4-7 maybe? I don't know.
So, there 9x6x3=162 different personality types according to this theory!
Yeah, I agree. Somebody had suggested 1 instead of 8, I don't know though, I can't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
Indeed, lol. I settled on this trifix a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
I just know my primary/wing type; no idea for my tritype. I would guess 6-8-3? I don't know. I don't relate to any of the heart triad types, for some reason. 2, 3, and 4 all just feel wrong.
uhg I keeping getting 4 and 5
so far its 4-5-8
me. i'm completely in the withdrawn triad anyway to the point that it's not even confusing placing myself there, at all.Quote:
4-9-5 (or 4-5-9, not sure which), who would be more withdrawn, passive (9) and avoidant (5)
No you're not. You're clearly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I am 3-9-#.
maybe 3-9-6.
Methinks I'm 4, 5 and 1, but in what order I'm not sure.
1-5-4, perhaps. But the growth/stress arrows seem to fail under this system...
Mine is 8-3-5, possibly 8-3-6.
Does anyone else find Tritypes somewhat superficial and pointless?
A good beacon of general behavioral tendencies; by no means anything remotely intrinsic to type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allie
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Originally Posted by Allie
I find you superficial and slightly pointless, but yes, I agree with you. Then again, you could say the same thing about the entire Enneagram.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allie
Oh Gilly, could you try being less clever next time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
I'm so superficial and pointless—but I made a good point—and you agree with me? Try the direct approach and take it out on someone's ass next time. Preferably Gilly's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
ITT: :Fi: being retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allie
See, this is just proof: he agrees with you, but you almost completely ignore that and get angry because he thinks you're superficial. And you never get this angry when someone simply disagrees with you. You were so upset that you even tried to make it look like he contradicted himself when he obviously didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allie
Inference: you would rather be seen as wrong than superficial. Conclusion: you are superficial, and hate yourself for it.
Seriously, it's ok; you'll grow up some day. I'm kind of superficial, too, but I've come to accept that about myself. I get on with life, and it's ok. So chill out.
Your first mistake was making the assumption that I'm angry. And the second one—in the form of some twisted set of "logic" that resembles nothing of a Beta NF, btw—I'm not even going to get into. Are you really that bad at understanding people, or is intertype causing a blind-spot here?
what does "superficial" mean, anyway? Does it mean wanting someone to go the fuck away but not quite knowing how to tell them that? I do think that is superficial.. if only that person would fuck off.
where do you keep coming up with 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
hah, that's probably a very good point. i can't reasonably see myself as either 2 or 3. i just recall gilly suggesting something like 4w5 as my enneatype, whereas i'm much more sure that i'm 6w5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salawa
Or how about not Fi at all - just retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gulanzon
Well, if he thinks he's a Four, he's not not going to have it in his trifix, is he?Quote:
Originally Posted by implied
Allie, you take life - and more importantly yourself - far too seriously.
not referring to him. referring to his typing of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
I don't know how to say this in a proper way, but IMHO, this shit about the tritypes is kinda like a... patch? like a videogame patch! (let's fix those stupid bugs). Enneagram failed again.
Oh okay, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by implied
I will. We're not as definitive and systematic about pointing out what someone else is doing. (this is a fair example of the kind of thing that still makes me think ENTp for Gilly). It's more about reading between the lines of what they're doing, not so much cross-correlating it and making deductions. His attitude seemed sort of like: "You're doing this, which means this, and now look at this." Beta NFs tend to be more like: "Oh, you're doing this? Well isn't that interesting." There isn't as much of a structure with us, just an underpinning process.Quote:
Originally Posted by glamourama
LOL exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by normal
Yeah. I just figured being a beta NF, but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by glamourama
I don't know what the hell that dialectical-algorithmic thinking thing is. Is that DarkAngelFireWolf69's stuff? I doubt it originated from smilingeyes or something. Anyway, I think that's a bad typing criteria, as it is too general to be pinned down to certain types. Also, what are its bases? A few dichotomial divisions? I don't know. I'd rather make assessments based on stuff I know is real to functions, not hair-splitting categories with questionable criteria.
Ok. I'm always open to new information. It's just more that I don't think something like that would trump the more integral facets of functions that I believe exist. Like, I've looked more into reinin dichotomies lately, and found some use for it (along with smilexian stuff), but I still know where to draw the line, and see which information is of a larger magnitude. So, if it came down to typing someone and I couldn't decide, I would probably wait for something more reliable (to me) than choosing between a behavioral dichotomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by glamourama
The sad thing is that you continue to shamefacedly deny everything I say about you when it's just obvious to me, and you already know there's no way in hell you can convince me otherwise. You make sweeping statements, saying things like "URGH YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ME, DONT JUDGE ME BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS WRONG," and react to the smallest of prods, which only serves to showcase your immaturity and further convince me that I'm right about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allie
You need to either put me on ignore, or start growing up.
Yes, you are free to continue being wrong :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
Funny how obvious my first two in the tritype are & yet how confused I am about the Gut triad... 8,9,1. I don't see any of them much in mine. I used to think 8 but that really doesn't make too much sense. I think 1 might be a much better fit, just didn't know it yet. 1w9. Hmm.
This is a very good point, some people think they have two wings, while some are unsure of their enneagram type or their wing type, both are farely strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salawa
I think this sounds right. maybe 4-9-6? I am not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by glamourama
I'm 4/5/8 or 4/5/9... not sure which. I know I have both 8 and 9 qualities.
Yay, I made my first constructive post since returning!
wb amigo
Trytype this!!
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KC 135
8-6-nothing
4-5-9 imo.
Couple thoughts...
3-7-8 trifixes...tritypes...whatever are very rare...a triple aggressive has energy to burn. The only real life examples I can think of are AHHHnold the Governator and Michael Jordan.
4-7-8 seems to be the most popular but I haven't seen one on here yet.
For discipline reasons I try to keep the thinking center part of the trifix limited to thinking style(tight loose suggestible dogmatic squirrely etc), the heart center part to do with self-image(how much of an outsider you assume yourself to be, how much other-directed vs self-directed etc) and the gut center part to be more your presence/relational style...the balance of power during engagements with others.
Anyone heard of this?
What do you think about this?
Enneagram Tritype
I think my tri-type is 5-4-9 (all withdrawn types). 5-4-1 is also possible.
I think I am 8-5-4 or 5-8-4Quote:
Originally Posted by warrior-librarian
Does anyone know a site with tritype descriptions?
Nope I searched high and low for tritype descriptionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Azeroffs
this is all I came by, which is great if your a one, but not so much for others
Personality Types: Enneagram Tritype Descriptions: Type One
idk how it works, but maybe 6-5-4 for me or maybe somehow 6-5-3, but i relate 4>3.
I like the (dis)integration stuff though 3->(6)->9.
tritype is the best Etype out of each section(there's a more official word, but I can't think of it).
head: 567
gut: 891
heart: 234
So, to figure it out you pick one out of each group and put them in order. I'd probably be 5-1-3.
The idea is actually quite perceptive, wouldn't it make sense that every person has part of themselves governed by Their Head, Their Heart, and Their Gut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azeroffs
Each person has a dominate strategy (Head, Heart, or Gut). However when people fail to produce results with their dominate strategy they fall back to the next strategy and the next strategy.
Also the combination of the three can explain differences between people of the same type, since each tritype will bring about different elements...
Really if you consider adding wings to each tritype you see that everyone is developing all parts of their personality its just that people use a dominate strategy and have a dominate focus as to how to approach their life. People also have alot of other strategies they will commonly use and some strategies they rarely will use and won't concern themselves with.
I don't take type to seriously but I know I typically rely on 9,8,1,5, and 4 strategies alot and 2,3,6, and 7 strategies very little ==> I spend alot of time detached from reality in one way or another so I can relate to 5, 9 and 4. When I am in reality though I prefer to act out like an 8 and produce results, but when that fails I retreat to acting like a 9,4, and 5... I'll take some time to revitalize myself by being 9, Take some time to analyze my circumstances like a 5, and take some time to reflect and be creative like a 4... then I go back out to reality and act like an 8. I also identify with the 1 for different reasons that are complex to get into.
I think I am a 9-5-2
I withdraw a lot, but then I bounce back and I'm really friendly and outgoing and all that bullshit, but then I get really worn out and withdraw again.
@archon
You gotta pick one from each triad! you can't have 6 and 5, they're both from the head.
hmmm I guess 5 doesn't really fit at all--not nearly as much as I thought it did.
I'm a 9-6-2
oh okay then.
Well I guess 6-4-1 ...?
But i dont relate to the gut triad much.
Well the bottom line for the gut triad is how you deal with anger/rage.... so I would think unless your going to tell me you've never experienced anger that you have a part of you that is from that triad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion
8's act out their anger/rage to produce results (at best productive results, at worst destructive)
9's repress their anger/rage to preserve inner harmony (at best making them self-sacrificing idealists, at worst making them detached)
1's use their anger/rage to drive them to discipline themselves (at best making them righetous and upright, at worst making them rigid and obssesive)
It's not hard to see from that distinction why the 8 acts so challenging, aggresive, assertive, leader like, and competitive, and the 9 acts so idealistic, detached, and reserved, and the 1's so disciplined, rigid, and objective.
Best of all you can play this scenario out for all the types; Heart Triads are based on making measures to deal with shame and Head Triads are based on making measures to deal with Anxiety/Dread. Every type has their method and tri-types means you as a person prefers one method for dealing with each "ailment" (Anger/Rage, Anxiety/Dread, Shame) and that each method can produce a result which is favorable and unfavorable. For example 8's can be vengeful, destructive, and barbaric at worst but be heroic and magnamimous at best -- makes sense they are either the angry control freak who wishes to be respected or they can be the leader who uses their anger to spearhead an impetus for change. Either way even if the enneagram is bullshit their is alot of useful information in it.
I figured out I am a 9w8 9-5-4 and not an 8... I am not nearly as assertive to be an 8 but occasionally I am paradoxically assertive but then withdrawn, but mostly I am detached like a 9, not being fully present and experiencing life at all moments. I tend to deal with anxiety by understanding things in a very 5 way, investigating things to try to draw out underlying principles, and I am like a 4 by dealing with shame by searching for great meaning in my life. I've also noticed a very latent emerging secondarly wing in 1 and I don't identify with 6,7,2,or 3 much which makes sense.... 9 has two wings in 8 and 1 and then I have the 5 and the 4 from tritypes.... so bam it works theoretically also.
Hmmm... I guess I'm 4-7-9. Do you order them in order of what most significantly influences your personality? And is there anywhere I can find some information on this besides spending ten bucks?
Here's a decent article on tritype/trifix:
Enneagram Tritype
Tritypes become significant when using your main type does not seem to work. In socionics, we might say they're using their super ego.
My main type is 9. I try to keep the peace, I'm easy going, I don't want to rock the boat. When it comes to accomplishing goals, that can't solve every problem. Sometimes I need to engage people, build up an alliance of sorts, reach out to people for assurance, and all the things a 6 would do. When talking fails, but there is still a desire to get things done, my eye starts to twitch and I just effing do it. Or, if I have to impress people, get up in front of people, be friendly and inviting, I switch to E2. E2s are really friendly, helpful, and can get things done. In socionics I would equate that to my LII flipping to ESE. It's that dramatic of a change, and it really wears me out.
Sounds interesting; thanks for the link. After reading it, I think that the tritype could also been seen as using the superid as well. The example of the type 8 with a 4 in his/her tritype thing sounds very Ni-seeking SLE to me. So in socionics terms, when I act 7ish I'd be drawing on my 7th function to dream up crazy possibilities and potentials, and when I act 9ish I'm drawing on my 8th function to smooth things over and work social niceties. Yuck. I hate doing that, even though I do it all the time (if there were people who didn't know me very well but knew enneagram, they might type me as a 9 as I tend to be very calm and peacekeeper-y as a default in social situations where I'm in uncertain footing).
Here's another one:
Personality Types: The Enneagram Tritype
You really have to understand your own type and instinctual variants before you go on to learn your tritype. I thought I was a 5 for the longest time before I did some real research. LII does not always equal E5.
Lucid: Yeah then I think 6-4-1 works.
That would be me my bipedalled friend...Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
~Marcello~
8-7-4, I really think this is my tritype, although a lot of people say I have a strong 5 component, I'm a fairly convinced I made my way to disintegration in point 5, people see this as an explanation to my rationality, even though I'm undoubtedly an 8.
Get some 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion
Jake, your avatar is gross.
I am actually 5-4-8 :: 5w4 :: sx/sp
Thought 8 was further up there because of the sx/sp... but really I act more more 5/4, people think of me as introverted/intelligent/creative more than they think of me as decisive/physical/aggresive ... and I think that matches, but I still got some traits of the 8... it just develops slower.
Hi, I´m new here. I´ve met Socionics through the Enneagram.
My Enneagram type is 1w9 sexual subtipe; I am fairly sure my tritype is 1-3-7.
btw, i´m ESTp/SLE on Socionics.
Welcome, try saying hi in the introduction section of the forumQuote:
Originally Posted by Airborne
It'd be a nice change to be 6w7 or 7w6...Quote:
Originally Posted by jxrtes
I'm sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolanzon
5 has one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
Personality Types: Enneagram Tritype Descriptions: Type Five
5-3-8: more ambitious, competitive and assertive than others, these Fives stand out through their leadership abilities. They are rather good at managing people and know how to employ their powers and competencies in order to obtain an effective result. Pragmatic, goal-oriented and driven, but also a tad arrogant and egotistical, they know how to influence a situation to their advantage. And yet, although they are proficient in authority positions, others can find them quite unsympathetic and self-interested, with very little interest in people who cannot be of clear use to them.
typical subtypes: social, sexual, balanced wings
similar tritypes: 5-8-3, 3-5-8, 8-5-3
flavours: self-confident, pragmatic, hard-working and narcissistic
Yea I am probably either 5-4-8 or 5-8-4... but the descriptions on their seem a little negative towards this tritype.
I dunno I may have to rethink my type or consider a different description.
bump
lol... for a short time I thought I was an SLE
I guess my tritype would be 1-4-7
anyway tritype is kind of different from traditional enneagram because you really cannot have one predominant type then... or can you? I guess it´s much more sober to say that if we have 3 types, then there´s no purpose in giving any of them dominance over the entire psyche. Each one will have dominance in its own triad.
it works like a ladder, the first type is your Main type and dominates the most, the second type is your secondary type and dominates moderately, the third type is your third type and dominates the least... each type is selected from a triad to express the type that dominates the most in that triad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airborne
Cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Director Abbie
Never given much thought to "tritypes," but based on these, I'd say I'm most likely a 5-3-9, although 5-9-3 is not a bad possibility either.
3w4/6w7/8w7 here.
I've heard that the second and third part of your tritype is determined by you're first.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
Types 7 and 8 will have image types third. 4 and 5 have gut types third. 1 and 2 have mental types third. 9, 3, and 6 don't really have a second and third type. Instead the other types in their tritype are basically equal.
This has to do with 4 and 5 being withdrawn and having sacrificed their instinctual nature, 7 and 8 being aggressive and having sacrificed their image consciousness and 1 and 2 being compliant and having sacrificed their inquisitiveness. Something like that.
My tritype is in my profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
Interesting that definitely fits me, my instinctual triad is last, sometimes I feel like an 8w9 (relate to the description), except instead of actually acting on my instincts, I tend to go through a long period of thinking and intellectualizing obsessively to be very close to absolutely sure, then I act on them. Only in critical situations do I ever feel I tend to exhibit 8-ness, when it's obvious their isn't time to think things through, otherwise I tend to just retreat into my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azeroffs
The Enneagram is built primarily on trichotomizations. Based on my admittedly small knowledge of numerology, there seems to be something profane about using a dichotomic approach towards Enneagram. I may have inadvertently kicked that previously closed door right off its fucking hinges. More on that later. Anyways, there are three main triads in the Enneagram; the Heart triad, the Head triad, and the Gut triad. 2, 3, and 4 are in the Heart triad; 5, 6, and 7 are in the Head triad; 8, 9, and 1 are in the Gut triad. There are also a whole host of other various trichotomies in the Enneagram:
. . . Rejection Attachment Frustration
Heart . . 2 . . . . .3. . . . . 4
Head . . .5 . . . . .6. . . . . 7
Gut . . . 8 . . . . .9. . . . . 1
. . . Compliant .Assertive. Withdrawn
Heart . . 2 . . . . .3. . . . . 4
Head . . .6 . . . . .7. . . . . 5
Gut . . . 1 . . . . .8. . . . . 9
. . . Positive .Competency. Reactive
Heart . . 2 . . . . .3. . . . . 4
Head . . .7 . . . . .5. . . . . 6
Gut . . . 9 . . . . .1. . . . . 8
The currently standard naming of unpermutated tritypes, as of now, consists of writing them out in numerical order, and arranging them thusly. This creates a mess of the internals; 33% of the time, the Gut type is out in front; 67% of the time, the Heart type is out in front. For the sake of systematic order*, I'm gonna write the Heart type out in front, followed by the Head type, ending with the Gut type: *not only does the heart/head/gut alignment make everything inherently more organized, but when I see the "1" as an abbreviation of, and furthermore the sum of the digits of "10", two things happen. The first thing is that the smallest-to-largest order from heart through head to gut is maintained. The second thing has to do with a type of correllation between the numbers of the minor arcana of the Thoth tarot and a counterclockwise journey through the Enneagram that would travel up the Tree of Life, going backwards in numerical order in both instances, with the true "1" resulting in some sort of transcendence. I'll get to that later...
. . . . . .triple. . . . . double
Rejection . 258 . 259 251 268 278 358 458
Attachment .369 . 269 359 368 361 379 469
Frustration 471 . 271 371 451 461 478 479
. . . . . .triple. . . . . double
Compliant . 261 . 251 268 269 271 361 461
Assertive . 378 . 278 358 368 379 371 478
Withdrawn . 459 . 259 359 458 451 469 479
. . . . . .triple. . . . . double
Positive . .279 . 259 269 278 271 379 479
Competency .351 . 251 358 359 361 371 451
Reactive . .468 . 268 368 458 469 461 478
no Rejection . 369 361 379 371 469 461 479 471
no Attachment .258 251 278 271 458 451 478 471
no Frustration 258 259 268 269 358 359 368 369
no Compliant . 358 359 378 379 458 459 478 479
no Assertive . 259 251 269 261 459 451 469 461
no Withdrawn . 268 261 278 271 368 361 378 371
no Positive . .358 351 368 361 458 451 468 461
no Competency .268 269 278 279 468 469 478 479
no Reactive . .259 251 279 271 359 351 379 371
The Enneagram circle is written with the gut triad on top, and vertical values of Enneagram positionings can carry all sorts of implications. 279 is the Triple Positive-Outlook tritype, and 458 is said to be the darkest tritype; as per my tritypings, this fits incredibly well. The former is at the highest overall position that an Enneagram tritype can be at, and the latter is at the lowest overall position that an Enneagram tritype can be at, sharing this position with the 451 tritype.
To determine the vertical distance from the base of the Enneagram itself to the position of each Enneagram number, I started by assigning degree values to each number in the Enneagram in accordance to their position on the circle itself. From there, I noted how many degrees each Enneagram position was away from the top of the Enneagram. Then, I noted how many degrees each Enneagram position was away from the vertical midpoint of the Enneagram itself. After that, I took the sine of that degree value and then divided that number by 2. sin(90°) = 1, but using 1 as a value would be dumb, because if 1 is the maximum vertical distance from the midpoint of the circle and an Enneagram type, that would make the distance from the bottom of the Enneagram to the top of the Enneagram be 2. And from there, if the Enneagram position was above the equator, I added 0.5 to the result; if the Enneagram position was below the equator, I subtracted the result from 0.5:
From there, I took each Enneagram number in each tritype, added their distances from the bottom of the Enneagram together, and used those sums to arrange the tritypes in order of brightness versus darkness:
bright. . . .tritype . . . . dark
2.174 . . . . .279. . . . . 0.826
2.057 . . . .278 271. . . . 0.943
1.837 . . . .269 379. . . . 1.163
1.720 . .268 261 378 371. . 1.280
1.617 . . . .259 479. . . . 1.383
1.500 .258 251 369 478 471. 1.500
1.383 . . . .368 361. . . . 1.617
1.280 . . . .359 469. . . . 1.720
1.163 . .358 351 468 461. . 1.837
1.060 . . . . .459. . . . . 1.940
0.943 . . . .458 451. . . . 2.057
I currently have no idea where the hell it is, but I came across an article in which the Enneagram's numbers were rotated in accordance to the reader's Enneagram type, while the lines themselves stayed put. What followed next was some sort of a life journey that consisted of the individual claiming strengths associated with Enneagram types that first followed the connecting lines of the 369 integration pattern; upon reaching "6", the next move was to go clockwise to "7", and then follow the lines of the 758241 pattern of integration; for example, starting at E4 would lead to the following sequence: 4, 7, 1, 2, 9, 3, 6, 8, 5. If the Enneagram's numbers can be rotated in that manner to do something of that magnitude, let's rotate them to first make 3, and then 6, the crown of the Enneagram. Running through the computations in the chart full of degree symbols accordingly would result in the following values:
I noticed that the sums of these three distances always add up to 1.5. Anyways, as I did with brightness/darkness in regards to 9 and the Gut triad, I will also do with 3 and the Heart triad, as well as 6 and the Head triad. Distilling these concepts down to small, one-word containers was no easy task, but exact/loose and alert/sleep work well enough for now. If anyone comes up with better terms, feel free to let me know.
exact . . . .tritype . . . .loose . . alert. . . . tritype . . . .sleep
2.174 . . . . .351. . . . . 0.826 . . 2.174 . . . . .468. . . . . 0.826
2.057 . . . .251 451. . . . 0.943 . . 2.057 . . . .458 478. . . . 0.943
1.837 . . . .359 361. . . . 1.163 . . 1.837 . . . .368 469. . . . 1.163
1.720 . .259 261 459 461. . 1.280 . . 1.720 . .358 378 459 479. . 1.280
1.617 . . . .358 371. . . . 1.383 . . 1.617 . . . .268 461. . . . 1.383
1.500 .258 271 369 458 471. 1.500 . . 1.500 .258 278 369 451 471. 1.500
1.383 . . . .269 469. . . . 1.617 . . 1.383 . . . .359 379. . . . 1.617
1.280 . . . .368 379. . . . 1.720 . . 1.280 . . . .269 361. . . . 1.720
1.163 . .268 279 468 479. . 1.837 . . 1.163 . .259 279 351 371. . 1.837
1.060 . . . . .378. . . . . 1.940 . . 1.060 . . . . .261. . . . . 1.940
0.943 . . . .278 478. . . . 2.057 . . 0.943 . . . .251 271. . . . 2.057
As usual, I don't know specifically what any of this will be used for, and if it's a bit wild, I wanna post this right now because that's the only time I got; if the computer takes a shit on me after having done all of this without a post coming out of it, then I'll be beyond pissed. Anyways, have fun! :p
tritypes just make things too complicated.
It's as complicated as you want it to be :pQuote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
A tritype with a set permutation can be retroactively simplified into a single Enneagram type. An unpermutated tritype will oftentimes be the first apparent thing I pick up on. Correlations between tritypes can reveal and clarify more than singular typings ever would. Trityping also sectionalizes the Enneagram into three groups of three types. No one said that it's mandatory to find the whole thing immediately. No one said it's even mandatory to find the whole thing at all. As an intermediary step between having no idea of an Enneagram type, and being fairly certain of an Enneagram type, a tritype approach turns everything into a 1 in 3 choice, far easier to take on than effectively being forced into jumping right to that 1 in 9 choice. The more tools at everyone's disposal, the better.
i can't even remember what tritype you thought i was, let alone anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by woofwoofl
8 for the Gut fix, I can't see anything else being there. Something other than 2 for the Image fix. At least two fixes in the Reactive triad. Something other than 5 for the Head fix. A 478 trityping would completely dodge the Compliant triad while including both two fixes in the Reactive triad and the Aggressive triad.Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
If I were to order the tritype sequentially and install a set of wings on the thing, I'd go with 7w8-8w7-4w3.
I'm a firm believer in tritypes, fixes make all the difference and perfectly explain the differences between individuals of the same E type.Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
I found these very interesting and fitting:
The 27 Tritypes from Wiki
Tritype Archetype
125, 251, 512 The Mentor Triple details (2 is people details)
126, 261, 612 The Supporter Triple duty, compliant helper
127, 271, 712 The Teacher Triple people focused, correcting or enjoying
135, 351, 513 The Technical Expert Triple precise or exacting
136, 361, 613 The Taskmaster Triple doing, responsible, Industrious
137, 371, 713 The Systems Builder Triple perfectionistic, developing.
145, 451, 514 The Researcher Triple analytical
146, 416, 614 The Philosopher Triple critical of self and others.
147, 417, 714 The Visionary Triple vision, ideas
258, 582, 825 The Strategist Triple rejection oriented
259, 592, 925 The Problem Solver Triple conflict avoiding
268, 682, 826 The Rescuer Triple protector, people focus active, hero
269, 692, 926 The Good Samaritan Triple people focus passive, helpers also
278, 782, 827 The Free Spirit ,Triple manipulating, Libertine
279, 792, 927 The Peacemaker Triple Upbeat ok-ness
358, 583, 835 The Solution Master triple strategic
359, 593, 935 The Thinker Triple hiders of true self, Camouflagers
368, 683, 836 The Justice Fighter Triple Confronters, Challenger
369, 639, 936 The Mediator Adapters, triple shape changes to get along
378, 738, 837 The Mover and Shaker Triple assertive
379, 739, 937 The Ambassador Triple positive, happy, Goodwill
458, 548, 845 The Scholar Triple independent thinkers
459, 549, 945 The Contemplative Triple withdrawn
468, 648, 846 The Truth Teller Triple reactive, emotional
469, 649, 946 The SeekerTriple doubting
478, 748, 847 The Messenger Triple creative and original
479, 749, 947 The Gentle Spirit Triple imaginative and magical
or alternative names (I hope I can post this) :
3 - 8 - 7 - The Conquistador/Adventurer
3 - 8 - 6 - The Hero/Villain
3 - 8 - 5 - The Direct Person/Commander
3 - 1 - 5 - The Adept/Expert/Researcher
3 - 1 - 6 - The Dedicated Person/Hard Worker/vigilante
3 - 1 - 7 - The Pragmatist
3 - 9 - 5 - The Detached Person
3 - 9 - 6 - The Shape-shifter
3 - 9 - 7 - The Presenter
4 - 9 - 6 - The Empath
4 - 9 - 5 - The Enigma
4 - 9 - 7 - The Escapist
4 - 8 - 5 - The Independent
4 - 8 - 6 - The Rebel
4 - 8 - 7 - The Innovator
4 - 1 - 5 - The Sincere Person
4 - 1 - 6 - The Practical Aesthete
4 - 1 - 7 - The Idealist
2 - 9 - 7 - The Encourager/Philanthropist
2 - 9 - 6 - The Supporter/Devotee
2 - 9 - 5 - The Anonymous Contributor/Power-behind-the-throne
2 - 1 - 5 - The Researcher/Specialist
2 - 1 - 6 - The Volunteer/Administrator
2 - 1 - 7 - The Optimist/Improver
2 - 8 - 7 - The Party Animal/Philanthropist
2 - 8 - 6 - The Guardian
2 - 8 - 5 - The 'Influential/powerful person'
I'm 4w3-7w6-9w1 and the Escapist fits perfectly and so does The Gentle Spirit (gentle is the first word people use to describe me, I don't feel so inside).
I'm 4-7-9 too and I relate.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Speaking from experience, I think there are a lot of cool/ good things about being this tritype though, once you're somewhat healthy and can stay in the real world long enough to see it clearly and do real stuff (1-5-3!) Also, I think despite the outward over-estimation of sweetness and inward narcissism/frustration/violence there's a lot of genuine good will in that combo, but not the pushy kind.
Less healthy is uncool though, it feels like reality is far away and I feel a huge sense of shame about not being able to access it, like it makes me less of a person. Am flaky, incompetent, and there's only so much you can solve with charm.
I feel that it's a type that benefits from reality checks and emotional support, I wonder if you agree (although maybe that's type four.)
but I've always secretly liked it a bit whenever someone called me magical or dream-like which actually a lot of people have...
@lemontrees
wow, I could totally write your post word by word. It's funny how whenever I read posts of people who are 4-7-9 it's like reading my own thoughts :content: I agree that it's not a bad tritype to have, I mean we're masters of first impressions and likeability - we're diplomatic, kind, playful, open - minded, quirky, witty and we have a very calming presence.We can get out of a lot sticky situations if we turn the charm up.
But just like you said, I sometimes feel like a phony, cause people overastimate the sweetnes and don't see the narcissism, elitism, rebeliousness and built up frustration inside. It's very difficult to dissapoint people later on when we have already made such a good impression. Hence I have real problems with showing anger, sadness, or any negative feelings . And when I do express them, it's somehow received way worse than when other people do. In this regard 4-7-9 feels like split personality ( although that's also from 4w3 I think)
I also have a lot of problems at work which could be related to my tritype . While everybody likes me, they don't take me seriously (I think 4-7-9 comes off very casual and un-bussiness-like) and my voice is often overheard even if I know what I'm talking about. I have to rely on my charm and emotional manipulation in order to get somewhere (I have a very corporate job which I'm not "a natural" at) and I feel shitty afterwards. And as you said, there IS a lot of genuine good will in 4-7-9, especially when healthy.
Unhealthy sucks. I'm not feeling particularly healthy at the moment and I live in some alternative cosmos, in magic land. I procrastinate all day, escaping the reality of everyday life which seems so mundane compared to my imagination. I'm very incompetent at work, because I'm bored out of my mind by it already and I don't even bother to try. The smallest responsibility freaks me out and I feel like the world is limiting my freedom and I have the right to do whatever the fuck I want. Very childlish and irresposible really. Maybe we're some sort of eternal children. The 7 fix also causes soo much trouble, the grass is always greener. I get depressed if nothing new and exciting is on the horizon.
Yes, we desperately need reality checks on a daily basis as we're masters of magical thinking that things will just solve themselves somehow. We need people around us who know how to motivate and support us and help us achieve our goals, get us moving.
If you're in the mood to read, I think this description is spot on :
http://dreamlwithinlaldream.devianta...cons-290939542
and yes, I secretly adore my fairy ass too:lol:
@darya
I can relate to so much of that!!
I have always had trouble being taken seriously too (especially by people who like me)- I play sort of the "adorable but flighty" role but not that of an expert or someone others can rely on, even though I think I am pretty smart (although very Te-PoLR lol). People with similar intellectual interests to mine sometimes demean me (although I think it has to do with gender roles, and also the insecurities of intuitive type males.) The only time I was really taken seriously was in grad school, I think, where despite my overall eccentricity and "floatiness" people took my contributions pretty seriously in class.
I really, really understand the whole "falling into magic land." I think the natural escapism is compounded by being sp-last. :(
And yes to thinking that problems will somehow just solve themselves. This is a *huge* problem of mine. I also have the tendency to secretly think that things that are impossible are actually possible, which is a weird juxtaposition to my really pessimistic SEI nature- it's like I know they won't work but I still think they will. It's really these aspects of my personality that scare me the most, and which I try to keep in check! I want to become that person that can motivate and support myself, get me going, since my standards for a partner are specific and high and I've reached a point in my life experiences where I simply think it's better to not rely on/ hope for idealized outside support.
I have read that article actually. For me, as an so-first 4w5, my social skills are often quite poor so I don't totally agree with that part. But there's a lot that I can relate to in it. I do think I can feel like one of the wishy-washier fours normally and despite my toughness there also is a bit of the "world is too scary/ just don't want to deal." It seems to be a tritype that can feel more of its true force when it manages to clamp down, create structure, and focus a bit (and when it finds reality more interesting than fantasy, just b/c reality is real and therefore more vivid.) And learn how to handle shit. I think it can be quite a powerful type, unleashed, and that the skills it takes to get there are buildable.
Anyway, hope things feel better... In the end, fairyness trumps all. :love:
PS- I have actually literally been described as "fairy-like"! Although my favorite is still "adorable yet tortured." Or maybe, "Luna Lovegood with the good bits of Hermione..."
This describes almost all of the IxFx girls that I've met. I thought that these are traits of sincere communication style I saw something about on this website, or is the 479 tritype very common among IxFx girls?Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
My last post had me making a shit tons of correllations and dichotomizations, and it gave me a newfound appreciation for finding that optimal point at the intersection of concision and accuracy to land a one-word label on a complex concept. Exact/loose for proximity to, versus distance from Heart triad; alarm/sleep for proximity to, versus distance from Head triad; these dichotomizations borne from trichotomizations were nice, but I wanna do more. Overlaying a system of four on top of a system of nine is my next step. I've already brushed up against combinations of Enneagram material and tarot material, and I've already rotated the Enneagram itself to an extent. Furthermore, I've already looked into going through the Thoth tarot's suits in a descending numerical order, up the Tree of Life, the same way the hierarchial system of the Order of the Golden Dawn had their members progress through the ranks. Doing this means that the "Failure" in the Seven of Disks would lead to the "Success" in the Six of Disks; that the "Valour" of the Seven of Wands would lead to the "Victory" of the Six of Wands; other examples exist, but are less obvious, like the progression from Worry to Power.
I have tried, in various ways, to work this sort of progression around the circle of the Enneagram. I found this to be a terrible approach. I then remembered the difference between the top and the bottom of the Enneagram. Bright/dark for top versus bottom felt insufficient. There is a certain type of "density" I have found at the top of the Enneagram, oftentimes especially apparent in musical expression. Assigning the classical element of Earth to the top of the Enneagram makes perfect sense. Air must be diametrically opposed to Earth, and assigning it thusly to the Enneagram at the midpoint between 4 and 5 works better than I would first suspect. Putting Air with 6 would be my first impulse, but no, there's more than just that going on over there, and when Air's suit of Swords is taken into account, among various other things I'm currently having a hard time putting into words, the 4.5 midpoint just feels right for Air.
It's gotta be said now though. Why the fuck is Earth on the top while Air is on the bottom?
Aaahhh. That's better.
In the last post, I found that each Enneagram number was separated by each adjacent number by 40 degrees. Far left and far right of the Enneagram will be at 90 degrees and 270 degrees, so 2.25 and 6.75 respectively, which would be exclusively within the realms of 2w3 and 7w6. The obvious elements to assign to these two positions would be Water and Fire.
Putting 9 at the bottom, and the union of 4w5 and 5w4 at the top, makes the Enneagram like a huge basin with its arms reached to the infinite sky. Equidistant between the fullest concentration of the elements would be the positions at 1.125, 3.375., 5.625, and 7.875. 1w2, 3w4, 6w5, and 8w7. Working backwards through these, for me at least, would be working in order of ascending difficulty. The union of Earth and Fire would be magma. A clockwise rotation towards Earth, through 8w9, to 9w8, would result in heat being traded for heft, firepower traded for immovability. As for the union of Fire and Air, a close fit would be electricity. A counterclockwise rotation from 8w7, through all of 7, exhausting all supply of Earth at 7w6 in favor of undiluted Fire, getting more and more angular and sharp while passing through 6, would have us resting at a sort of supercircuitry at 5w6. From there, travelling upwards, the electricity would grow sparser, more diffuse, eventually revealing itself only as ionization in an Air that becomes more and more exclusively comprised of all of those spaces between all that has ever been known until the ultimate 5w4/4w5 union point is met at last.
Descending from the furthest reaches of the cosmos itself, the Air slowly moves from the otherworldly to the more organic through the midpoint of 4, the atmosphere ever thickening with mist where there once was ionization, becoming tangibly wet at 4w3, and reaching its saturation point at 3w4. Between the maximum humidity point at 3w4 and the pure water at 2w3 exists amorphous mixtures of Air and Water, with less of the former and more of the latter as the counterclockwise journey is made. Carbonated water would be at 3w2. The water runs clear at 2w3, and as the gases become less soluble in the water, the solids take their place. Silt and microscopic life fill the water at the depths of 2w1, and the water turns to mud at 1w2, mirroring the magma at 8w7, and as the magma cooled into igneous rock that became part of an all-encompassing Earth on the right side of the Enneagram, so does the mud solidify into sedimentary rock that becomes integrated into the Earth on the left side of the Enneagram.
Holy crap, I'm gonna go get some sleep now :lol:
My friend is 4-5-1 IEI and has a much more serious, sullen and snarky demenour, she doesn't have the lightness to her. She also seems more competent and self-assured. 479, 749, 947 is in general probably not that uncommon, but I can't think of a single girl IRL I would type 479 and I know a bunch of IxFx girls. Most of them have 2 or 6 somewhere in their tritype. I think for me, the 7 makes the biggest difference - I score very highly on 7 (9 and 7 are my second and third highest scores and are more or less tied), so I'm much more restless and adventorous than other IxFx girls I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevero
IxFx girls in comparison to other types probably always seem more gentle, but I certainly wouldn't describe most of them as escapist, flighty or quirky.
693 (3w4) or 694 (4w3).
Whoooh! I knew/know a girl who's gotta be Fi-ESI 1w9 154 sp/sx, and yes on all that. Coincidentally, that's the same Enneagram stuff down to the tritype permutation and the stacking as I got for King Crimson's* very own Robert Fripp, who in Socionics I have as Ne-LII:Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mJPJLIas8E
*King Crimson's "20th Century Schizoid Man" is sampled on Kanye West's song "Power"
I'm probably 9-5-4 but the details of these tritypes are patchy...
For the 9-5-4 there are elements that may be flatly inconsistent with how I am.
I did a tritype test and didn't really understand it but I got 1w2 first, 5w4 second, and 4w5 third, which suggests that 1-2-5 or 1-5-2 might work. If 1w2 is supposed to be my actual enneagram type it goes against what I currently think (9w1) but maybe the tritype has something in it nonetheless.
I thought most IEI's were dark/serious/sullen/blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
I think ni subtype is normally that way, and fe subtype more light/flakey/superficial.
Maybe you should just switch your mind off then.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man From Nantucket