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Kioshi
Don't be a dimwit. I actually have a life outside this forum. The people I refer to were typed based on self-assessments and peer-assessments. And most of what I post (and respond to) in this forum goes through a test audience.
And how does that make me a "dimwit". Just a pointless ad hominem attack based on nothing. Maybe you have, or maybe you are just bullshitting. Because you haven't really got anything remotely intelligent to argue with. Admitting being wrong is apparently too big deal for you.
That could be just a "fancy" way of saying that you read it to your cat. I'm not impressed by marketing speech.
Great that you know people outside of this forum :)
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It doesn't make your responses any more reasonable.
Just because you say so, doesn't make it so. Again it's just matter of you inability to understand. You can't critize me for stating "unreasonable" arguments, when you are obviously incapable of understanding what I'm even saying. You just wish that they are "unreasonable".
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I am familiar with violence. But this is totally irrelevant.
Not in the least. You're just apparently incapable of seeing the relevance. Or seeing things from more than one angle.
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I'm not going to argue semantics either. My point was that the SLE in the description appears maladjusted. It is not behaving in ways that are realistically and socially acceptable.
Well you seem to have a problem with telling what's realistic and what's not in general. Like I've pointed out before, you are probably looking at them through rosy-red glasses.
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I doubt you even know what you are talking about, much less understand it. I sure as hell wouldn't presume that I understand what you are talking about.
I've said this before, you are projecting your lack of understanding of what I say, like it was my lack of understading. Maybe you should learn something for a change, and fix it. Change your bratty attitude. And then try understand what I'm saying. And maybe then you are capable actually commenting of to what I'm saying in an intelligent manner.
But fine keep thinking that way, it's only your loss.
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The quotes you provided seemed little more than a criticism of SLE leadership style. Classical theorists were enamored with authority. It is not unusual for those with more classical educations to equate influence with authority. If there was any relevancy to your comments regarding authority, then I thought it might be here.
You're stuck on definitions of words, and miss the content and the context entirely. They are just words.
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- The author's classical perspective (based on "common sense") versus a contemporary perspective (based on studies)
- The author underestimates the importance of situational factors
Sure. But I don't think the author understimates it, but assumes that reader can take situational factors in account.
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Under what conditions might I expect to observe in SLE what was described in the second quote?
It's generalization of behaviour been compared to generalization of behaviour of other people of different types.
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Given (1) resistance due to misinformation or communication problems and (2) lack of mutual trust and credibility in the relationship, people regardless of type often strive to achieve goals through manipulation rather than communication. By manipulation I mean twisting and distorting facts to make them appear more attractive, withholding undesirable information, or creating false rumors to get others to accept initiatives.
SLE's are more prone to what was described. They have Fi-PoLR, that causes more often that condition.
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These conditions are not typical in my circles. We are a group of professionals who practically make a living socializing. We have to maintain a certain degree of credibility. If we can't rely on the technical expertise of the SLE, then we will simply look for a more reliable source.
Your social circles aren't all the SLE's of the world.
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Nowhere. How is this relevant?
You brought it up.
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The criterion for opinion leadership is that others value their opinion. How do they get people to value their opinion? I assume a well-adjusted SLE will adopt whatever tactics are appropriate to the situation. (see above)
Maybe you are just assuming things, because you just want to see them that way, opposed to it being the reality.
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The types are defined by Augusta's model of "information metabolism"
That was based on empirical observations.
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The descriptions are interpretations. And I will treat them as hypotheses as I do all interpretations.
Just like the type descriptions. And that's where you go wrong.
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Your approach to assessment and your procedures for testing your hypotheses are fundamentally flawed.
You don't even know what they are.
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My credibility as a scientist is far more important to me than membership in your clique.
Pseudoscientist! :D Your "science" quite frankly doesn't sound like a reductionist one. I'm part of a clique?
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I've made no secret of the fact that I'm not a socionist
Neither I consider to be a "socionist". You seem to make a lot of baseless assumptions about me.
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of the fact that I view the "types" as situational (learning styles) and not general (types).
That could result in that your "SLE's" don't fully correlate with socionics SLE's.