I was recently watching Fox 5 News and came across the fact that people murder other people. I thought I should make you all aware.
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I was recently watching Fox 5 News and came across the fact that people murder other people. I thought I should make you all aware.
If it would protect my child, absolutely, in an instant.
That's cliche parent speak for saying, "I have urges to kill people and am looking for an excuse."Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
Yeah. It must be easy to set-up situations in which your child is being attacked by the particular person you'd like to kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drommel
Uh, no. I think in a random circumstance where it was either him or me and life depended on it, then yes..obviously... but I could never sit and contemplate murdering someone...if people here do, please lock yourself up. Thanks.
ditto to this. i feel too lazy to contemplate such.Quote:
Originally Posted by jessica129
I actually think that some people function better when they take on murder as a recreational pastime. "Balances them out," so to speak. I think it's important that we let people do whatever keeps them sane.
Bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drommel
If it wasn't for the existence of God I would have killed so many people you would not believe the thoughts I have had. Really incredibly violent thoughts, so many different ways, the flesh horribly distorted...so many former people just lying there, dead.
Does no one else find it questionable that most of the responses to the poll involve some variation of "yes, why not", while only one is a "probably not". There's no "No, never." or a "Only if I had to" or "To protect my loved ones"
Is there something you're trying to tell us Ritella ;)
Almost anyone is capable of killing if pushed far enough or placed into the right situation. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone if I thought they meant me or my family harm.
LOL !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
I once killed my video game wife in a fit of jealou:Se:.
Sorry bout that dude, she didn't say she had a man. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by munenori2
:o
My name is Inigo Montoya. You shagged my wife. Prepare to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracka
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by discojoe
Anybody would. No matter what you think, it's batshit easy for anybody to be pushed into violence in the right situation/push the right buttons long enough.
I you are in a war you are free to kill anyone (although he must be from the opposition) at your own wish, further more, you are actually motivated by your superiors to kill as many as possible. Next to this you will even get rewarded with lots of medals.
If there is no war, then you get the death penalty when you try to kill a person who has sexually molested your own child.
Isn't it ironic.
shooting someone != killing someoneQuote:
Originally Posted by discojoe
or did you mean shooting with the intent to kill? in most situations i imagine you could shoot them to prevent them from doing harm without actually intending to kill them
When I first saw this thread, my answer was "no." But then, just as I was about to cast my vote, this commercial came on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwRISkyV_B8
I may have to rethink my initial response....
ahahaha. Maybe I should get that. I do really need something to clean my boat and my car.
If my children were in danger, I'd do whatever it took. but I also know that violence would be the last thing to enter my mind. I used to have these dreams that I was being held against my will and I would always try to talk to the person and get them to trust me, to like me or whatever. I'd use psychological methods first. I think I would have a hard time actually killing someone, even if it was justified and even if it was to save another person. I just think there's something inside of me that would hold back. If it was very clear that something bad would definitely happen to my kids, I'd do it. I'd try to hurt them enough so that they couldn't hurt my kids. Maybe not try to kill them. (can you see why IEIs need SLEs???)
true, i guess i'm getting intentions mixed up with the actual outcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
but still, the question has to imply some intention to kill because otherwise no one could possibly answer no... because its always possible that you may cause an accident and someone may die as a result of that accident.
Um...I want to order this now.Quote:
Originally Posted by songofsappho
And to answer the original question, yes, I would ever kill someone.
I hope you're being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritella
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by munenori2
I wouldn't go out looking to kill someone. If someone is attacking me I would avoid using lethal measures if possible but if lethal is the only way oh well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuhrV2KtP3YQuote:
Originally Posted by coolguy89
No way! That is terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritella
BTW..... Are you sure you are INFJ? They don't watch Fox news... only CNN. (* hands raised* Idk.. I don't make the rules.)
FOX 5 News is a different channel. It's the local FOX broadcast affiliate in NYC, not Fox News Channel. They do the 5 O Clock news like all affiliates elsewhere around the country - pretty much straight news, not too much bias, except a seeming bias towards only talking about who got raped, killed, etc like all other local news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christy B
It's possible, if I have an accident with my car I cannot exclude that somebody will be killed.
probably not. i don't have a violent soul at all, but if killing someone meant euthanizing a brain dead person on life-support machines i think i could do it if required. but as far as murder for personal gain? no, probably not.
murder is fun
from another topic
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by science as magic
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Originally Posted by discojoe
this.Quote:
Originally Posted by truck
Maybe a more interesting question would be: "Would you be able to kill someone outside self-defense?"
sometimes i have trouble controlling my impulses and ive been driven far enough by emotion enough times in the past to behave in ways counter to my values. so under extreme circumstances i seriously doubt it would be any different when it comes to murder. i think its extremely unlikely that the motivation, opportunity, etc. would ever line up exactly right for it to happen. i would need to be under a degree of pressure like i've never experienced before.
it probably feels like self defense a lot of the time even when it isnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
ie. this person is fucking my lover/going to get me fired/holding onto money that i need therefore ruining my life
not RATIONAL obviously, but people have irrational thoughts and feelings all the time.
i think maybe you have to be a psychopath or something to kill without feeling some kind of pressure to do so. and i don't think that's true for most people who have killed.
When you put it like this it confirms one of my most resolute beliefs: People are more stupid than evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by lungs
I have shocked people with the statement that I can identify with almost any murderer. The thing is, within circumstances it's very hard to predict how one behaves.
If someone would kill/maim/abuse anyone dear to me i'd not hesitate to bring swift vengeance to them. This despite the fact that i'm against vigilenty behaviour or death penalty.
I've also pondered wether or not I could pay someone to allow me to "hunt" them. Kinda....something for on the bucketlist. I'm sure i'm not evil enough to go to hell yet, so before I die I need to perform some hideous deeds to avoid being stranded for eternity with the likes of maritsa and eliza.
(unless they're actually going to hell too...shit!)
The fact that I can things like this easily and comfortably leads some people (@ATH i'm looking at you) to the conclusion that i'm a psycho ^^
OFC i prefer the term "open minded" myself ;-)
The chances of me doing this, or anything coming from mars are a million to one they said!
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Originally Posted by Aquagraph
yeah, well only because they are MORE stupid than evil ;-)
haha, maybe. but i wouldn't exactly put it that way. self-preservational instincts and passionate emotions exist for a reason. thank god we're not all robots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
I see it as something that tells about how little actual evil (whatever that is) is to be found in humankind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
The implication that people are stupid, however, has no intelligent point of reference.
Stupid compared to what?
You and your friends?
Animals?
Extraterrestrials?
In comparison of how intelligent they should be?
That belief just makes me grateful that people are far from inherently evil, unlike some religions try to teach us.Quote:
Originally Posted by lungs
PS: If you would be a robot, you wouldn't feel ungrateful about that fact.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment_van_Milgram
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfor...enisexperiment
Evil is banal.
As for the point of reference about stupid people: it refers ofc to the "human" described in any and all books on subscriptive morality, economic rationality and social interaction.
Humans are stupid as a whole, one might be more stupid than another, but in the end, the most intelligent person on earth is still an idiot :P
Humans are stupid, but some humans are more stupid than others. (second use of this animal farm reference today, but it's such a fun one!)
Edit: Yeah, the answer would be your last one; compared to how smart we think we should be!
I did.
N/A.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vois
Haha.
Hmmm, I'm thinking some kind of soldier. I don't get a hitman vibe from you. You don't feel like the police either, so I go with soldier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
I have thought it over, probably thousands of times... Could I kill...I remember when I was 19, trippin' on angel dust, thinking about what it would feel like to kill a random man. :? I don't know why but I did and I indulged the fantasy for about five minutes until I got sick to my stomach.
The closest I have come... I was in a rage and my bf tried to stop me from leaving in the car (I had taken about 10 xanax). <-- makes me mean.
He stood in front of the car and I hit the gas but right before I hit him (hard, I just bumped him) I slammed on the brakes and then I broke down. One of my lowest moments. I don't think I could live with myself if I intentionally killed anyone. I know with certainty that I would put myself in front of anyone trying to hurt someone I love, because I have.
Fuck, you never get tired imitatin' Allie...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Since I have never seen Allie in action. I have no idea what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Such a parasite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Aylen + crazie rat. Mmmmmm, brings back memories. I'm still thinking about the best way of getting in between the two of you, like in a sandwich...
she's not imitating Allie, Allie hates me, Aylen is my frieeeend :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
pervert! :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
https://www.myemoticons.com/images/c...ood-luck-2.gif
Thanks. I'm going to use everything to my disposal in order to feed crazie rat with appropriate info and join you two at the dinner table.
ahaahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
yeah..... you can count me out of that.
Ahaha.
http://tom-mcgee.com/blog/wp-content...bals-drums.jpg
I heard you liek cruelty, crazie rat and primal screams.
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Will you just fuck off of me?
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I love my self and I want to live...............
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With all due respect... I don't know if anyone on this site is psychologically prepared to join "our", metaphorical dinner table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/m...teaparty-1.jpg
Why are you even focusing on me? Go after Aylen. If she wants you she'll respond. There's nothing I can do to control her. And I'm not getting into a fucking sandwich, so fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
As long you're eligible organ donor, Aylen, I don't mind. Don't know about crazie rat, though. Where I come from, people swallow coat hangers to get out of prison, not shrooms.
Okay, I won't throw a temper tantrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by rat1
Aylen, can you masturbate absurd so I don't have to deal with this?
God it's like I can't have a fucking friendship with Aylen without people hounding the shit out of me.
We're not even together dude.
Me and her are nothing.
You can fuck her. GO ahead and try
Omg, omg. Stop harassing and stalking me. Racism!
this was a good thread :( i miss absurd being banned.
You're like a little child that just keeps chiming and chiming at me. FuckQuote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
NOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by rat1
Ahh, so after throwing a fit you keep responding. Don't know who is the child around here, but after consulting my vedic horoscope, I think I begin to see things according to the prophecy now.Quote:
Originally Posted by rat1
And I don't care whether you're together or not, I don't even care whether you're alive or not. Thing is, I head a lot about this karma from your behind, and guess what I am like a boomerang.
yeah... I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Alright. Time to go do something productive. Goodbye Absurd
But if you ever want, by all means feel free.
Good bye. Sweet dreams are made of Absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by rat1
Opportunity presents itself so I jump...thank you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rat1
:thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
Not sure why this is in the Psychology section. Not killing people is basic good manners.
If it's done in self defense or of loved ones against a clear immediate threat, sure. The majority of 'murders' are not well justified.
Most murders are done out of cowardice, IMO. Cowardice (and incapacity) to find a better/real/actual solution to a problem.
God I'm such an idiot.
You're right K4m. You are. @Kill4Me
I'm just blind to this kind of shit. I don't see it. While it's blatantly obvious to everyone else.
COnclusion.... fuck it.
meh, on second thought, I don't know if I am even psychologically prepared to sit at this metaphorical table.
you shouldn't prepare yourself, otherwise you won't feel it fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Yeah, I get what your saying. But sometimes it feels just like this. :8*Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTuHER8BiGo
i dunno, killing reminds me more ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fl1pCPb504
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Originally Posted by Aylen
Not thousands of times... but I have thought about it... I tried asking other people how it'd feel too. I found that people didn't take it the right way. :(
:lol: at the song
I guess I should clarify...I thought of it thousands of times in the context of, "could I ever do such a thing". Like when it comes up in movies or songs, etc... I don't sit around thinking about it obsessively. Yeah and people do not take a lot of things the right way. It is in some people's nature to shoot first and ask questions later though. I try not to do that...Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
oh ok, my context was in a random moment. in movies i'm more likely to consider if a character could, than if i could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
If everyone's stupid, there is no intelligent point of reference. What is smart then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
Never heard this before... I made it my ringtone. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
The same as stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
rephrasing: "I believe that people are not much smart as they are good".
Yeah, I realized that the conversation is stuck if the definition of smart and dumb are the same. I think he is rephrasing my sentence where I said "People are more stupid than evil" and by changing both of the adjectives to opposites he.. ..erm.. ..I don't know what he achieved. Maybe he tried to establish that evil is the same as good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
I amQuote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Well, tbh, the original remark was a joke and I kinda riffed off on that. True, I don't believe in evil/good or smart/non-smart. I'm not really arguing here or making a point, just messing with words (as always, i'm kinda worried that people take this forum actually serious!?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
nondualism is nonsense, ok that can be your assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Ah, there is Allie again, yeah she thouroughly disliked me because I didn't agree to provide a clear and definitive answer to the question "what do you think about euthanasia". I'm sure that counts as arguing for the sake of arguing.
If posing different views, using humor to rattle people's paradigms and or lightenup their self-importance is a crime than i'm guilty.
@Ath, I see some kind of trend in your behaviour which is similar to that of allie. You know, you don't have to reply to me, you can ignore me, I usually don't attack you (except for this one and the post in edumacation) so...for fuck sake go back to your pokemons and please let me be in peace, i don't mess with your style, please don't mess with mine!
@Aquagraph:You are a poster who's post I think are intelligent and well informed. I respond to topics with my own personal view which in no way means that I want to impose it on you. I do take my humor serious, which basically means that as long as I think something is funny i'll riff on it, esp if someone responds cleverly. I also believe it has social worth (despite what others on the forum may think) in that it keeps people aware that there are infinite sides to anything. In that sense I'm not aiming at "achieving to establish anything" but more trying to stirr up the conversation. In cases where you feel it's not going anywhere you can just ignore my imput since I might not be aiming at something similar to what you're aiming at. I do however enjoy conversing with you so..
Great. :thumbsup:
If pressed to the ultimate end I'm obliged to say that i'm a solopsist/extreme relativist. I don't believe in truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
This means I'm against both dualism and non-dualism (or..against is too strong of a term... I'll give the other options for both).
I don't particularly value insight as that kinda presupposes a right and wrong insight. I value perspective in the sense that anything that "makes sense" for me in the world is valuable. For instance, Socionics is amusing and interesting since it offers a way of looking at people, relationships, groups. I don't think it's true, nor do I wish it to be true. I don't value HKKMR variant as more valuable than the JoBro variant. I'd learn both if I had the time and see which one orders the world in the most pleasing way.
As I said in the post before, I am not trying to convince you of anything. If I actually convinced you of something I'd be sad cuz that's kinda replacing one thing with another. I offer differing oppinions to make people aware that there might be more than just the thing they're thinking. You seem to have a strong conviction which basically means that i'll be tempted to rattle your cage more, just like I feel tempted to attack maritsa and eliza on their faiths. Their strong convictions scare me, make me afraid they'll reduce the social reality to the point where they'll force me to think like them. You kinda trigger the same sentiments in your statements about what I say (according to you), what I believe (according to you) what the worth is of my actions (according to you). I don't think I've ever said your points were stupid, nonsense, or where I ever reduced them to "xxx-ialism". I read your points and give my true and honest reaction, which is always "but isn't there more?". Again, I don't get why you want me to make sense? I don't require you to write in pink text and or behave like a baby-giraffe either do i?
The not believing in truth prohibits me from securely falling down in solopsism. I can't be sure of it can I? There could be more, all is possible. I'm just making sense of the world one minute a time. I've thought different before, I'll think different again. Maybe in a few years I'll believe in the one truthTM but for now I am comfortable in my view that any view is as valid as any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
I'd go for the throwing shit as long as it feels more authentic than my search for truth. (incidentely I don't think that everything which is not truth seeking is throwing shit. Art comes to mind, which is also what I identify with more than with science anyway).
Also, yeah, solopsism is believe, I never said it was anything else. I believe that everything is believe, which is basically the thing which we are stuck on. You still have hope that there's something else out there that has more value than believe, I have lost that hope. However, you cannot "force" someome to have that hope, just like you can't "force" someone to believe in a higher being (as Eliza seems to believe). In that sense for me the ultimate pleasure would be for you to succeed in finding a good truth (maybe the one? who knows?) and still be tolerant of all the more faulty truths out there (like the one i'm living).
I don't desire advancement, i'm perfectly happy as I am and as the world is. I believe this is both the worst and the best world possible. I will improve my life and others' life if its convenient, easy, comfortable, but I wouldn't go up the barricades for anything. See "my biggest fault" thread by @rat1. I'm complacent, fatalistic in my worldview. Still, at least I can laugh about the world, I have pleasure, I have my own believes which can be discarded as necessary.
You posted a thread with frustrations which kinda reminded me of some of my own, past frustrations. I feel my kind of hedonic enlightenment, dogmatic skeptisism has worth in my life so that's what I live. I believe I can help people if they're stuck in one pov, but wether or not they heed my words is up to them. Whether or not they ignore my humor and throwing shit is up to them. But if anyone is willing to enter the mudfighting with me we'll have fun while doing it.
edit: Perspective as in: Socionics is usefull to me, but i'm not saying it is, or should be, or shouldn't be usefull to anyone else. That's what I mean with "perspective v.s. insight". To me insight demarcates something that would be valuable to everyone.
Your assumption that there ARE reference points is just that, an assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
I stated a few posts back that i don't believe in truth, so all we have are either shared assumptions or no shared assumptions.
We don't share the assumption that there is no truth. So...
However, I don't call what you are doing "bullshitting" I let you have your assumptions, why can't you let me have mine?
triangle =/= quadrangle is the ultimate problem of philosophy, the problem of identity. If you have solved that (which I know you haven't) you could become rich by giving lectures to philosophy departments all over the world. But believe me, your post above doesn't indicate that you even start approaching understanding of how complex this topic is.
if you really want to understand this, I'd advice you to take some philosophy classes on ontology and epistemology. (I know you devalue academics, but what you're doing yourself isn't that different)at least than you wouldn't be trying to argue things that have been argued to death before....
What annoys me about you is that you use stuff as "obvious" and "bsing" and "running from". You can have that attitude, but it's not really fair to your conversation partner, it is condencending towards any time I might have spend thinking about the subject. It's arrogant in the sense that you think you can judge the worth of my statements and it's stupid in the sense that it kinda boycots your own project of gathering insight.
Let's cease this discussion since i'm not getting enjoyment out of it.
Instead of calling it nondualism start calling it transcendentalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Do you acknowledge something can be more true than something else? And that this infinite relativism of yours is, in itself, a truth? One you consider more true ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
I do value relativism. You overvalue it, and say 'there is no truth'. Relativism just contrasts divisions, and finds unity... assumption being all things already exist (again solipsism). But for a transcendentalist, one is adding division by breaching boundaries of the unknown, and unifying the information. One is searching through empty space for what is 'more true' by comparison. It is the process of searching which matters.
DO you believe in a universal solipsism (everything has conscience), or literally a hard solipsism... ?
Addressing solipsism.. everything emerges from nothing. If a solipsism believes nothing exists besides a viewpoint (himself or many), he does acknowledge that nothingness exists. By acknowledging nothingness solipsism is reconciled with objectivism; that bias of nothing is the ideal of objectivism. The transcendentalist, by comparison, is abandoning, to a degree, one prevailing viewpoint, delving into the unknown, and reconciling the findings. New realizations are brought fourth from nothing; the perspective changes. No longer is the universe a redundancy. A solipsist may say 'everything exists that ever will exist, the universe is redundant'. But if you really fathom the vastness of everything; not everything in a limited (solipsistic) sense... everything, as it's conceived to be infinite, renders any solipsistic viewpoint dissolute.
Alright, I've been up for 20 hours; mixing some audio; someone amazing in particular loves what I did all the way through, someone else who rules pointed out that the guitars were lacking something, which I suspect to be mainly highs. He has a point, the guitars are murky enough to make Crowbar's tone sound bright. I love the hell out of that raw, gut-level power that's not in any way harsh or abrasive, I ain't gonna dilute it by fiddling around with the amp head too much or rolling the tone knobs up. I will, thanks to Finale's suggestion, look further into installing a brass nut on my guitar, and maybe even getting a set of P-90 pickups; if that guitar's gonna do anything up top, I'm gonna have it sing instead of hiss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Anyways, I can't let that comment about the supposed cherry-picking go without a response.
The analogy that you used about triangles and squares had to do with human beings. Every triangle and every square I have ever seen has been either written on something or has been found to exist in the design of a concrete object itself. Since you applied the analogy to certain inherent and fundamentally intangible properties of human beings as denoted by the three-letter format used so commonly here, it made more sense for these analogical shapes to be drawn on something as opposed to being physically structured from, say, a person's bone structure. Going that route is going straight into the lunatic asylum of Pod'Lair.
In any case, anything in the physical realm is malleable. Given people's incredible ability to learn, grow, and adapt, the only proper place for these analogical shapes to actually exist in would be in an object that could also stretch so far without breaking. What came to my mind first was Silly Putty, but feel free to substitute in elastic, rubber, or whatever polymer feels good for you. A shape drawn on, or indented into, any of those aforementioned objects will only remain static for as long as they are unaffected by external physical circumstances. And in my experiences, not only was the shape they started out never the shape they ended up with, but it hardly took any time at all for some obvious change to occur.
If you keep breaking things down into grandiloquent postulates that are to remain almost, if not completely untethered to any actual existence, then you will be left with something that only derives its portability from its weightlessness, something that only achieves clarity via its emptiness.
I'd be leary to state anything about the truth for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by rat1
I think for me, there is no truth "yet" or "anymore". What I basically mean by that is that I don't know how to value one statement above on other. I'd go for there IS a truth, it's however not within my grasp and i'm basically without any clue how to get there. I feel like no singular statement can describe the complexity of what I come across. I feel like using only one interpretaton stiffles me, reduces what is to something that's lesser. However, the entirety, the complexity cannot be stated without reducing it so i'm either left saying nothing (what cannot be talked about should be remain silent about) or, which is my choice, try to get as many perspectives on what is as possible.
"there is no truth", "everything is believe" etc are indeed statements about ontology and are circularly undermining themselves (as the statement is "the truth is there is no truth" and "I believe that everything is a believe" are circular. So I agree that I over value it in these statements. However, they serve as the shield against absolutist statements which are what Ath offered. Maybe I should have stated "there is no ONE truth" or "I cannot demarcate my believe as better from yours". But the problem is that, as my conversationpartner, Ath DOES believe he is speaking the ONE truth and that his core assumptions are right in the objective sense. I reject that notion.
I think it's possible to have gradual truths, or, to be more precize, I think for instance, internal consistency is important to systems. aesthetic worth is important for art. certain emotional notions are important to social conduct. I think if one aims high enough on one of these subjects he'll find a purer form of understanding or truth within that subject. One could grasp a certain truth by making something that really strikes true in art for example. Or a certain theory really describes reality like we encounter it in an elegant way.
For me a very good novel makes me experience "truth". this truth to me is no less than the "truth" of a good theory or a nice song or a remark that changes my life or moves me deeply. In this sense, within these subjects I experience different levels of truth so to speak. One theory is just better than another. One piece of art strikes deeper at the core than others etc. TruthTM (the hard, objective truth that one can grasp, catalogue, describe exhaustively) is not something I believe is possible to grasp. the subjective (and maybe objective, but I'll never no) "truths" i just talked about can be grasped and are all I grasp at... My hope is to experience as many different varieties of those as I can before my puny life gets swallowed by the collective winds of change.
As for solopsism, I do not know about the whole. Or rather, I don't know where I start and "the rest" begins. So, I asume it's all one. Either I'm moved by the collective "consciousness" (used in the widest sense possible) or the whole is moved by me. In the end it doesn't really matter which way, since one is one. It's probably a matter of a level of consciousness where I ascribe "me" to that which i'm conscious off and "the rest" to what i'm not conscious of. This is no truth, just focus.
I believe you to be childish and not ruthless. I believe you to use ad-hominems and appeals to "authority" or "common oppinion"(see your Allie remarks). I believe you to state things as absolute truths which are still debated over. I believe you than reject those debates as worthless and only value your own opinion. I believe i'm arguing with someone who wants to read something i'm not writing. I believe this is just pointless because we don't share the same language and assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
My suggestion to take philosophy classes wasn't meant to appeal to authority, nor did I say that to devaluate your disrespect for academics (as, I just found in the other thread we seem to be agreeing on the deeper level on that subject).
I think you are ignoring a lot of opinions of people who have thought long about this. I think you could benefit from reading them. That's all. It was meant to contribute to your search for insight. I didn't find value in them in the end.
I gave you feedback to what your posting style does to me. That made it long. I think the discussion is worth having, but not with you since you seem to be intent upon making it personal where it's not. I don't like being attacked personally. I don't like attacking personally yet this is what is happening and what i'm doing. Every Xth posts gets reduced to ad-ridicule or ad-hominem and i'm not finding enjoyment in that. I do not enjoy being strawmanned/attacked personally.
I would like to get along with you. We dont seem to. thats a shame.
Lets agree not to interact with eachother anymore ok? I'll "back off" and i'm hoping you'll not approach me again.
Truth defies recognition, and lies in the void. Time, memory, & all aspects of reality are latent aspects of infinite; they may be seen holistically or isolated. Experience may be used as a reference point. It is not necessarily one. Everything in the universe has an experience. There is this universal solipsism. But to a solipsist, the experience itself is truth. I wouldn't argue for a hard solipsism, but for defining truth there are two ways... a universal one, or a personal one, depending on which form of solipsism you prescribe to. We do exist in a differentiated experience (apparently), and so there is duality in every truth we claim; but also illusion, and falsehood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Fuck I feel like I'm making the same argument to myself over and over again until I masturbate so hard my head explodes.
Killing is nothing. It's got to be one of the most popular activities in the world.
Cannibalism is the shit. Plumper, the better. Dose of barbeque sauce, hannibal lector style. ; )
Fuck that pussy shit. Necrophilia all the way -- we can keep the BBQ sauce though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me