Se Egos & Confrontation

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Originally Posted by strrrng

Strong Se and weak+unvalued Ti.

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Eh, I don't know, I've known a shitload of ESTps whose favorite pastime was drinking with the buddies and smoking pot. While I don't see anything wrong with it, I'd hardly call this a disciplined approach to life. I've also known some disciplined ESTps, but basically such a variety seems to make it unclear whether discipline can be linked to Ti, or not. Usually the people I see as valuing discipline are IJs', especially male IJs'

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Originally Posted by strrrng

If someone hits you in your stomach, you hit them back twice as hard - period.

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Haha. Sounds like it is going to be easy to antagonize your kid into getting countered.

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Originally Posted by marianorajoy

Haha. Sounds like it is going to be easy to antagonize your kid into getting countered.

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lol, what?


Based on that beta-esque diatribe you went on in stickam that time, I figured our opinions on children were pretty similar, lol.

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Originally Posted by discojoe

As fun as it can be to fantasize about destroying someone you don't like, the reality is that getting into a real fight can be extremely dangerous and have many unforeseen consequences. You don't know if the person is carrying some kind of weapon or if his friends will join in, or if he'll fight dirty, or if one of you will accidentally get seriously hurt. It's best to avoid fights altogether with diplomacy.

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True. The last time I got in trouble I was outnumbered 3 to 1 and one of them was carrying a car baton. They did not know, however, that I always carry a large pocket knife. I avoided confrontation altogether because I know that I wouldn't have hesitated to stab them and that's serious trouble. Sounds cowardly, but I ran; nothing to prove to anyone.

If the conflict is verbal, and if I know I am right, I stand my ground

If the conflict is verbal, and if I am arguing with someone much older than I, I think twice before arguing (the same goes for someone with a large amount of power over me).

In physical confrontation, I listen to my gut.

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Originally Posted by FDG

Eh, I don't know, I've known a shitload of ESTps whose favorite pastime was drinking with the buddies and smoking pot. While I don't see anything wrong with it, I'd hardly call this a disciplined approach to life. I've also known some disciplined ESTps, but basically such a variety seems to make it unclear whether discipline can be linked to Ti, or not. Usually the people I see as valuing discipline are IJs', especially male IJs'

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Exactly. SLEs can be disciplined motherfuckers; they can also be the laziest bastards on the planet.

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Originally Posted by strrrng

lol, what?


Based on that beta-esque diatribe you went on in stickam that time, I figured our opinions on children were pretty similar, lol.

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I don't recall a 'beta-esque diatribe'. If you consider diatribe as aggressive or abusive or prolonged, then 'diatribe' is an inaccurate description of my behavior.

Sarcastic; yes. Diatribe; no.