Yeah, I'm here, couldn't sleep. I posted a new thread asking for help typing me as well! ;) I can't wait to read any feedback! Erin
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Yeah, I'm here, couldn't sleep. I posted a new thread asking for help typing me as well! ;) I can't wait to read any feedback! Erin
Just stick it on YouTube.Quote:
Originally Posted by macysmama
You're both Fe ego by the way.
Hmm. How do you know this?Quote:
I believe being a woman has something to do with it because being a quiet, shy, tomboy little girl was not very attractive to the opposite sex, or other little girls for that matter.
I hate social/gender norms. Fuck them to death in the rectum.
Hahaha, you sound like me here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
You see IEEs as "decisive"???Quote:
Originally Posted by JRiddy
This has nothing to do with Ni.Quote:
I don't think that the emphasis on the "individual" over the "social" consciousness is necessarily a Beta thing either, although it sounds like :Ni: at first glance.
Very clearly indicative of Fe ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
Definitely sounds like an Alpha NT/Beta NF relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
I think Kristiina was absolutely right, EIE, with ESE as the only other possibility.
But I think ESE has been dismissed a bit too quickly. dbmmama, what do you mean by "the meaning of life" exactly? How do you go about finding it?
Fe ego, Ti super-id.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
Yeah, rational.Quote:
My sis, whom I believe to be SEI, has been my model for "go with the flow." And I don't go with the flow the way she does. I do and am impulsive but controlling at the same time.
Sure it does. Saying "Hello, how are you?" when you run into someone you know - that's Fi. Fi is what keeps society together by providing little rules and customs like that. Maybe it's not the most sophisticated manifestation of Fi, but it's still Fi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana
(Dilemma: Phaedrus makes me want to shoot myself...but then I wouldn't be able to prevent his idiocy from infecting others...)
No it isn't -- I so totally agree with the rest of your post, and so totally disagree with this understanding of Fi. That's a Ti-Fe view of Fi.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
Fi is about your judgement of a person's inner character.
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Saying "Hello, how are you?" when you run into someone you know is Fe but doing it because it's polite is Ti. And I'd say that's one of the most direct manifestations of Ti dual seeking and is in essence imposing Ti on Fe in that the person has Fe but wants Ti so they make up rules to govern Fe. In essence, every societal rule, when something is considered rude by a rule of some kind, is an example of Ti suggestive.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
And no, those little redundant rules do not keep society together, they merely allow the Fe dominant to impose themselves upon your privacy, to lay a "rightful" claim on your privacy.
I'm thinking my answer is going to be pretty Fe about it....No boys ever asked me to "go" with them. One, in junior high. Only two in high school with no one asking me to any proms or such. I was the "tough" little geek who was the bodyguard of the girly girls so the boys wouldn't lift up their skirts. I never wore skirts so one day when we had to in jr high, I overheard two boys talking about who's skirts they were going to lift that day and one suggested me. The other said, "no way, she'll beat us up." I loved that! even though I wouldn't actually beat them up.. It wasn't til around 20/21 and my body developed more that I then became VERY attractive and hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
I also had a complex about my hair. My mom cut it all off when I was 7 and it stayed short which also gave the impression of being a boy. People treated me like a boy and I HATED IT! Even as a young adult some thought I was a dyke. My self esteem finally grew and my feminity came out more....
Maybe social/ gender norms is not the right wording for what I was talking about. I like women to to feminine and men to be manly, for my personal taste. And I'm fine if you're your own way too. My hubby is not... What I don't like are rules for behavior like "children should go to bed at a decent hour" "society says children should not lie on the floor of the basketball court during a game" that one happened last night at my son's game. my 4 year old was doing just that. to me, she wasn't in anyone's way, she was having a good time and I'm not a dirt or germaphobe with her on the floor. the people next to us said something like "come over here, you missed a spot" like she was a mop. i know they were just joking but NOT AT MY IMPRESSIONABLE daughter's expense! she was confused and hurt because to her she was just doing what came naturally, to play like herself. i'm getting shaky thinking about how strongly i feel about this!
this example happened all the time when i was little, so i became a very angry person, which may have accounted for not many friends and i became very opinionated over my ideal of people not doing this sort of things to others. to me that kind of thing is disrespectful of allowing others to be themselves, no matter what type or way of seeing the world or being or doing things in the world you do. and GUILT is enemy number one when it comes to this for me!
i better stop.
Love,
KJ
That's the wishy washyness I don't care for. :) I pretty much knew he meant he agreed with her, but I wasn't about to assume anything because I wanted to understand better. If that's like you, then more to think about. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterpark
Love,
KJ
yeah, exactly. wtf are you talking about, hotelambush? As for dbm, I'm still seeing ENFp as a possibility, and your pic doesn't point one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
Let's stop discussing stupid traits like social norms and focus on cognitive shit. dbm, what have your experiences with ISTp's and ISTj's been like, as one or the other is your conflictor.
My vote is still ENFj, due to the passion - and the way you express it - reflected in your posts.
what do you think of betas and deltas? which one do ya hate lol?
and what about EP and EJ temperament?
Are you saying he is the Alpha or me?Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
I got thinking last night that ESE COULD be a possibility because my SEI sis and I have so many things in common, value wise. But then my hubby and I do it in a different way. I'm not sure which way that means. :) And yet, they are A LOT alike too.
Here's the difference between my hubby and I and the meaning of life. He already KNOWS that the meaning of life is within him, so he goes about life enjoying it, guilty pleasure type person. I envy him in being able to live life that way. I liked it in him... He doesn't care about meaning, give him some Rolling Stones, a steak, sex and football on the tube, not in that order. :) I know it's true but I still have this thing that compels me to continue searching outside of myself. There are so many cool and interesting things to explore and open your mind to new ways of thinking and seeing the world and then I incorporate all of them into my own paradigm, vision, what have you...A big thing I value is allowing my children and encouraging them to think for themselves.
Love,
Kelly Jo
With you still seeing ENFp as a possibility, then right now I'm pretty sure I'm ENTp. The two people I resonate the most with here is JRiddy and you. But, my values truly lie in Alpha, but I'm not a softie like my sis the SEI and I'm not an ESE, too social, storyteller stuff. For a while a while back I thought LII. I'm uptight, but not THAT uptight. One thing I am is openminded to possibilities, as has been evident here.Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
I don't hate anyone. Maybe one person my whole life. I find each quadra, each person here fascinating. Not from a "feeler" standpoint from an objective, everything, everyone is interesting to learn about standpoint. What I hate is closemindedness...
When I first looked at the temperaments, EP was a given. But something started creeping in about EJ. The controlling aspect to my go with the flow is that I'm E about it.
This accounts for my being a pig, scatterbrained, a tomboy, into Ne things, but not good with relationships, not calm and mellow, high strung and openminded to possibilities. I think being a girl ILE is different than being a boy one. And then I have a hubby for 17 years that has helped me with Si and Fe things to strengthen them to the point where you all think I'm Fe base. That's actually pretty funny knowing myself in person, now that I really think about it. :)
That's where I'm at right now.
Love,
Kelly Jo
oh yeah, isn't love what an ILE seeks? heehee
yeah, this points to Ne>Ni for you. I think the Ni person has this internal sense of 'meaning' - or whatever you want to call it - and doesn't feel the need to explore all the external possibilities like an Ne person would (similar to how Si people have an internal physical harmony and don't need to maximize sensations the same way Se people do).Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
glad to hear I resonate with you :). so, what type is your husband?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
I'm not sure yet. He's definitely irrational and a probable IP. The only two that make sense for him are SEI and IEI, I've gone back and forth with those two for him trying to get a sense of how they manifest...Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
And what is confusing again to me is that the Ni side of the world is to me WHAT the world is, it just is. And anytime I read anything between Se and Si, I always resonate with Se more. That's how I DO the S part of life. I am VERY physical as well as in my head a lot.
I know one thing, my hubby calms me from taking harsh action and he makes me laugh. Why can't I be SLE and hubby IEI?
I'm thinking that I had an SLE mom who MADE ME do it HER WAY. And I said "FUCK YOU!" I"m going to the best damn mom in the fucking world and I'll learn EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN AND BEYOND to show you I can do this better than you did! And so, I opened my mind to new possibilities even when I really want to just make them do stuff, I have learned over the years to allow because I know how it felt to have someone else make you...
Love,
KJ
how do you perceive his IP'ness? do you like it? does it give your experience some direction? or do you find it too go-with-the-flow for your tastes? now that you described some of your past, I'm starting to see that a lot of what you said that people would have attributed to Se or w/e is not really type-related.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
maybe this will clear up this Si/Se argument: Se people are separated from their environment. It's like it is this place to manipulate to your desire. Se is like jumping from point to point, maximizing the intensity of each sensation. Si, on the other hand, seeks to blend physical experience with the subject to create a sort of homeostasis. These people are more within their environment and don't care so much about going all out as just enjoying the experience smoothly.
If you resonate more with Si, you're ENxp; Se would point to ENFj.
even the word smoooothly sounds wimpy. yes, i manipulate my physical environment. I pick this up. I grab that. I nurse the baby. I hit the keys on the keyboard. I run to the store. I lift weights. I pick the baby up. I grab my keys. I jump on the bed. I fuck my husband. I act on my physical environment. If it's pleasurable great, but I just do it. I told my hubby I needed to do a parenting class called "Get off your butt Parenting." (I've taught parenting classes as well as coached parents)Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
I like my hubby's IPness. We are in sync with living our days in whatever ways we are inspired to. But, I'm the one in charge of it. He is so open he goes with whatever I say. He likes me making the decisions that way, he flows with whatever I say.......he likes that I confront people when needed. and he helps me with the timing of doing it. I like to "rip the bandaid off" in one fell swoop. He avoids pulling it off and will leave it on forever until I come up and just do it. And then he always appreciates it. My SEI sis would hate that. He WANTS me to yell at him like a drill instructor when we workout. And if he tries it with me, I tell him to shut the hell up!! NEVER tell me what to do or what I think or know or feel!
love
kj
first, let me say I love your directness.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
you are far too aggressive to be alpha or delta. your husband sounds like an INFp - victim romantic style. and you sure as hell don't seem like a victim, so I say ESTp.
strrrng, i love your directness too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
my hubby, yes, he's got to be IEI then. victim romantic, yes, that's him. lol
it's hard for me to swallow being SLE though. i felt like an IEI little girl growing up that had a "chip on her shoulder" because of life's bad things that happened....
i am direct with you because i feel a kindred spirit with you that i knew would understand where i'm coming from....
what would happen if two IEIs married? would one act more SLE with some things and victim with others and vice versa?
i don't want to "conquer" anyone, i just want to be left alone to live our lives the way we want to. my kids WALK ALL OVER ME. lol!! i just happen to be "a bit" more Se than my husband. it was like looking in a mirror when we met. so, i "took over" the Se "role" in our lives, but that DOES NOT make me this overbearing, closeminded SLE. it can't. i'm too "out there" with my Ni knowings about things for that to be true. i paint Soul Portraits for God's sake!
maybe EIE then. with an SLE mom and SEI sis. my sis says i'm too cool and special to put a type label on. it's too limiting on our specialness..........
how ya like my new photo? :)
love
kj
After all this, it's EIE. :) I'm stronger and more direct than my IEI hubby but not as strong as an SLE. There's too much pointing there now.
and on top of it strrrng, i've had 20 years more practice than you with this life thing to have grown, developed, changed in so many ways. you are a very mature 18, I would not have guessed that as your age. Souls are ageless..... And somehow i developed a strong Se that went along with my idealist vision of the world. it's who i'm meant to be this go round. i like that i'm a dynamic individual who sees the world, experiences the world, is in the world and beyond...........in so many different and changing ways.........it's cool and fun. :)
Te and Si are my weakest links and with being more high strung and controlling, it's EJ. EIE yep
Love,
Kelly Jo
yeah, that idea of an EIE with a chip on her shoulder makes sense...it seems like your toughness is somewhat nurtured. and yes, it makes more sense that you're NF, given our dynamic. I'm not sure what would happen if two IEI's married...it would probably depend a lot on their life experiences (you can see the limitations of intertype relations lol). the Ni-Se primary focus for you makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
is that you in the new photo?? it's hot
yeah, that's me a couple of days ago. my oldest took it for me. :) hey, i could be your mom!! haahaa!~Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
well, i'm eie for sure now. my idealist vision is too grand to be anything else. :) and my hubby is iei. your pic in the picture thread reminded me of his sweet face and energy.... :)
see ya!
love
kj
Does "dbmmama" have anything to do with "da baby mama", by any chace?
wow, lol, impressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
yea, I agree on the type
thanks :)
Joy, it stands for something else...she explained in her thread in the beta section
i like that but it stands for Dancing Butterfly Millionaire Mama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joy
symbolically and physically moving all the time.....
flitting from thing to thing as my intuition shows me where to go....
i am rich in life in all ways....
physical and spiritual nurturer....
love
kj
lol, okay... that's better than "da baby mama"
and the butterfly is also a symbol of emergence and continual growth into a new, Higher Self...the metamorphosis of change... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
lv
kj
Just out of curiosity, have you considered SEE?
interesting, it would be irrational, Se/Ni and ethical....manifesting higher desires with feelings as your guide......hmmmmmmm, i'll look.....my Se IS very strong with my own physical body, not with forcing others.....hmmmmm..... Live and Let Live IS one of my mottos. and isn't that the same type of the user with that name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joy
love
kj
yeah
and that would account for the combo of yellow and violet in that aura color test....a physically playful, sexy visionary idealist.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
only problem is, i can read into any type anything i want to be.....
love
kj
Your quadra values will become more apparent as you interact with people here.
gotta go, talk later, we're going swimming! i live where it's already 90 degrees everyday. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
lv
kj
but fwiw, you're living the Gamma ideal life (which doesn't mean that you ARE Gamma, just thought it worth mentioning)
have fun (:Quote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
you're saying that because we have a lot in common.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Joy
love
kj
I was going to suggest SEE as well cause that's the impression I am getting lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joy
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dbmmama
I do think we have a lot in common, but that's not why I said that. I say that to a lot of new people whose types are uncertain.
I do think the EP temperament (mobile, impulsive) is possible, based on the way she communicates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterpark