Do ISFjs prefer to date "bad boys"?

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03-12-2008, 07:37 PM
Dioklecian

Do ISFjs prefer to date "bad boys"?

ISFjs like bad boys. This is true.

The question is: why?
03-12-2008, 08:21 PM
Joy

I dunno about that.
03-12-2008, 08:27 PM
implied

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Originally Posted by Joy

I dunno about that.

i thought they were a bit of the opposite.
03-12-2008, 08:35 PM
Dioklecian

Whose Opposite?
03-12-2008, 08:35 PM
Cyclops

Are they the givers or the receivers, in terms of masochism
03-12-2008, 08:39 PM
Subteigh

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

Whose Opposite?

If you look long enough into the void, the void begins to look back through you.
03-12-2008, 08:39 PM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

Are they the givers or the receivers, in terms of masochism

IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO GET HURT/MISTREATED OR SOME DERIVATIVE THEREOF. I SUPPOSE THEY ARE NOT OPPOSED TO GIVING AS WELL AS RECEIVING. BUT THEY SEEM TO GET TURNED ON BY LISTREATMENT, PAIN, HUMILIATION.

NOT SURE HOW IT WORKS EXACTLY.
03-12-2008, 08:43 PM
Cyclops

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO GET HURT/MISTREATED OR SOME DERIVATIVE THEREOF. I SUPPOSE THEY ARE NOT OPPOSED TO GIVING AS WELL AS RECEIVING. BUT THEY SEEM TO GET TURNED ON BY LISTREATMENT, PAIN, HUMILIATION.

NOT SURE HOW IT WORKS EXACTLY.

Do you think ISFj's can or like to be martyrs? So in a sort of way, its like putting up with things in a 'martyr' like way ?
03-12-2008, 08:48 PM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

Do you think ISFj's can or like to be martyrs? So in a sort of way, its like putting up with things in a 'martyr' like way ?

THAT'S MORE THE esfj STYLE I THINK. ISFJs SEEM TO 'LIKE IT ROUGH' I WOULD SAY.
03-12-2008, 09:45 PM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by Loki

Actually, I was wondering if ISFjs sometimes can seem masochistic in that they become overly dutiful and take everything upon themselves. Then if others don't appreciate this, and take it for granted, it becomes somewhat sad.

Someone who I know who I think is ISFj said "I'll go around the world and back for you, I'll do anything for you, if you ask me nicely." This same person would probably do that anyway for people she's loyal to even if they didn't ask her nicely. When she describes her family situation, I get the feeling she secretly feels rather under appreciated, or simply is rather under appreciated.

I wonder if I have her type wrong. :D Maybe this is being confused with the Myersian ISFJ (which she incidentally tests as).

And of course most people would be willing to do just about anything for someone they're strongly devoted to... it was the "if you ask me nicely" part that seemed particularly striking to me.

she sounds more ISFP.

what I have in mind is the type of girl that goes to have an orgy, or the one who dates a gangster, the trophy wife, that sort of ting.
03-12-2008, 11:21 PM
discojoe

Worst topic in the forum atm.
03-12-2008, 11:24 PM
implied

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Originally Posted by discojoe

Worst topic in the forum atm.

yeah, i think i second this.
03-13-2008, 12:26 AM
tiny_dancer

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secretly feels rather under appreciated

One of my sisters, who I'm pretty sure is ISFj, has said this describes her. But she's not marrying a bad boy - ha, just the opposite! And the other ones I know are very supportive spouses, but they're certainly not being taken advantage of...
03-13-2008, 12:40 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by discojoe

Worst topic in the forum atm.

the responses don't reflect that
03-13-2008, 12:41 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by implied

yeah, i think i second this.

then stay out of it
03-13-2008, 12:41 AM
implied

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Originally Posted by tiny_dancer

One of my sisters, who I'm pretty sure is ISFj, has said this describes her. But she's not marrying a bad boy - ha, just the opposite! And the other ones I know are very supportive spouses, but they're certainly not being taken advantage of...

yeah, this is more the idea i get. i don't see why ISFj = pushover. or why an ISFj would want to marry a bad guy. i would think the opposite.
03-13-2008, 12:42 AM
implied

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

then stay out of it

um, no.
03-13-2008, 12:47 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by tiny_dancer

One of my sisters, who I'm pretty sure is ISFj, has said this describes her. But she's not marrying a bad boy - ha, just the opposite! And the other ones I know are very supportive spouses, but they're certainly not being taken advantage of...

I don't have in mind being taken advantage off. I mean being treated roughly, hard, mean,

They invest a lot on their spouses and expect a lot from them. They also pick spouses that have a good social standing. But not really nice boys. They often go for powerful and respected/feared guys. If they think you are a wimp, you are out.

ENTjs also like it rough. But they want to be the boss.

also, the iSFJ will notice your needs and go out of their to fulfill them. the opposite with ENTjs, they do not notice your needs and see no reason to fulifill them. they will hawever do almost anything to fulfil their own needs, so you can hook them up that way.
03-13-2008, 12:48 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by implied

um, no.

don't spam
03-13-2008, 12:52 AM
implied

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

don't spam

don't breathe.
03-13-2008, 12:57 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by implied

don't breathe.

umumumumum gasp mumumumuummumum
03-13-2008, 12:57 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by implied

don't breathe.

if you don't like the topic then don't read it
03-13-2008, 01:15 AM
Kim

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

THAT'S MORE THE esfj STYLE I THINK. ISFJs SEEM TO 'LIKE IT ROUGH' I WOULD SAY.

And what exactly is this conclusion based on? Because the ISFjs I know are quite the opposite.
03-13-2008, 01:15 AM
discojoe

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

if you don't like the topic then don't read it

Nah, I'd rather read it and complain.
03-13-2008, 01:28 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by Kim

And what exactly is this conclusion based on? Because the ISFjs I know are quite the opposite.

Observation mainly. Today basically and over the years.

whats' your experience?
03-13-2008, 01:31 AM
discojoe

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

Observation mainly. Today basically and over the years.

whats' your experience?

Hmm, probably "quite the opposite".
03-13-2008, 01:48 AM
Joy

Yeah, the ESI's I've known are the opposite of what dioklecian's describing.
03-13-2008, 01:53 AM
implied

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Originally Posted by Joy

Yeah, the ESI's I've known are the opposite of what dioklecian's describing.

i agree.
03-13-2008, 02:02 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by discojoe

Hmm, probably "quite the opposite".

you sleep with one, what do you think?
03-13-2008, 02:44 AM
implied

why was dio unbanned?
03-13-2008, 02:50 AM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by implied

why was dio unbanned?

I was never baned you miserable dirtbag
03-13-2008, 02:53 AM
Dioklecian

oh yeah

you are on ignore
03-13-2008, 02:53 AM
implied

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

I was never baned you miserable dirtbag

oh. why not?
03-13-2008, 06:45 AM
Expat

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

I don't have in mind being taken advantage off. I mean being treated roughly, hard, mean,

They invest a lot on their spouses and expect a lot from them. They also pick spouses that have a good social standing. But not really nice boys. They often go for powerful and respected/feared guys. If they think you are a wimp, you are out.

ENTjs also like it rough. But they want to be the boss.

also, the iSFJ will notice your needs and go out of their to fulfill them. the opposite with ENTjs, they do not notice your needs and see no reason to fulifill them. they will hawever do almost anything to fulfil their own needs, so you can hook them up that way.

That's a good example of someone approaching socionics without ever really bothering to understand socionics in its own terms.

I think that that view of ENTjs and ISFjs only makes any -- sense if based on some Keirsey and MBTI description of ENTJ and ISFJ.
03-13-2008, 07:13 PM
Ezra

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

ISFjs like bad boys. This is true.

The question is: why?

What bullshit. They're aggressors. LIEs like bad girls.
03-13-2008, 07:14 PM
Ezra

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

you sleep with one, what do you think?

Oh no he di'un't!
03-13-2008, 07:18 PM
Bardia

So are male ISFjs supposed to like bad girls then? That definitely does not apply to me. I don't enjoy someone ordering me around; infact, it is major turn off.

I don't understand where you are drawing your conclusion from Dio.
03-13-2008, 09:20 PM
FDG

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Originally Posted by Ezra

What bullshit. They're aggressors. LIEs like bad girls.

Well I hope you're joking too. Anyway, I agree completely with ifmd

You will find ISFjs to be somewhat aggressive when they dislike a person's behavior and they do not have an attachment-relationship with the person. You will not find them to be aggressive in their close interpersonal relations for a very obvious reason: you do not have a relationship if you quarrel, bitch and pester all the time - the opposite.
03-13-2008, 10:46 PM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by ifmd95

While most of this thread was nonsense from the recesses of Dio's head, I do think - after reading the relevant publications in the Articles section - that the balance of power in romantic relationships is more balanced in Gamma. (in comparison to Beta - where "Victim/Agressor" seems described as manifesting more stereotypically.)

And anecdotally, I would say ISFj's seem to expect someone sturdier than a Beta NF is described typically. Which interestingly enough is consistent with what I've noted earlier about Si POLR being less inert in "Jack London" than in "Hamlet".

That's not to say I think ISFj's like "bad boys" but perhaps "they don't like wimps" has some truth. And although it's possible I'm confusing some INFj's for ISFj's - I wouldn't describe ISFj's as "bad girls". Anecdotally and in description, I think you'll find that character of person better fitting Beta ST. (although there could be some overlap in the sensing subtypes.)

Interestingly enough this would also be consistent with FDG's observations that ISFj's aren't quite as confrontational as other users describe.

You have the mental capacity of a 5 year old.
03-13-2008, 10:47 PM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by FDG

Well I hope you're joking too. Anyway, I agree completely with ifmd

You will find ISFjs to be somewhat aggressive when they dislike a person's behavior and they do not have an attachment-relationship with the person. You will not find them to be aggressive in their close interpersonal relations for a very obvious reason: you do not have a relationship if you quarrel, bitch and pester all the time - the opposite.

Depends on the ISFJ, many bitch in order to get their needs met. Have you ever tried to get something from an ENTJ? It's almost impossible.
03-13-2008, 10:49 PM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by Ezra

What bullshit. They're aggressors. LIEs like bad girls.

LIEs don't like bad girls, they like girls that will put up with them. They love to take pure innocent ISFJs and ahem educate tem.
03-13-2008, 10:53 PM
Dioklecian

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Originally Posted by coolguy89

So are male ISFjs supposed to like bad girls then? That definitely does not apply to me. I don't enjoy someone ordering me around; infact, it is major turn off.

I don't understand where you are drawing your conclusion from Dio.

I am not sure that your type is what you think it is. I know an ISFJ and he is into goth things, for instance he has a leather chained collar that he wears to a club every weekend.
03-14-2008, 12:26 AM
implied

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

You have the mental capacity of a 5 year old.

i'm sure he's very hurt and intends on re-examining his knowledge of socionics immediately. :lol:
03-14-2008, 12:39 AM
Cyclops

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Originally Posted by implied

i'm sure he's very hurt and intends on re-examining his knowledge of socionics immediately. :lol:

One day, I might be mature enough to class myself as 5 :D
03-14-2008, 06:14 AM
FDG

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

Depends on the ISFJ, many bitch in order to get their needs met. Have you ever tried to get something from an ENTJ? It's almost impossible.

Yeah, I've gotten many things from myself :)
03-14-2008, 06:16 AM
FDG

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

LIEs don't like bad girls, they like girls that will put up with them. They love to take pure innocent ISFJs and ahem educate tem.

Which is the logical diametrical opposite of what you said above, given that a pure and innocent girl cannot be bad.
03-14-2008, 11:45 AM
bg

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Originally Posted by FDG

Which is the logical diametrical opposite of what you said above, given that a pure and innocent girl cannot be bad.

you want to get them when they're all pure and innocent and then turn them bad. That's where it's at!
03-15-2008, 08:48 AM
FDG

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Originally Posted by Bionicgoat

you want to get them when they're all pure and innocent and then turn them bad. That's where it's at!

If that's the case...I would actually see nothing wrong with that :P
11-09-2021, 04:15 PM
Armitage

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Originally Posted by Dioklecian

Depends on the ISFJ, many bitch in order to get their needs met. Have you ever tried to get something from an ENTJ? It's almost impossible.

As a LIE myself I beg to differ, if my friends and family need something, I'm happy to help them, you just have to count as a friend first.
11-09-2021, 06:34 PM
Nightmare

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Originally Posted by Armitage

As a LIE myself I beg to differ, if my friends and family need something, I'm happy to help them, you just have to count as a friend first.

Lol I laughed at this thread, it was really stupid. Thanks for resurrecting it from the grave.
11-09-2021, 10:25 PM
Shazaam

All women like bad boys.

/an anvil is about to fall on me. Inumbra sees the shadowy silhoutte and is ambivalent about warning me to get out of the way. Defeated, she kind of just let it hits me and enjoys the cold Fi sadism.

"come on you know I'm right though" I say as a ghost.
11-10-2021, 06:05 AM
Nightmare

@Shazaam Well, you're not wrong in the sense that it's probably NTR.

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LIEs don't like bad girls, they like girls that will put up with them. They love to take pure innocent ISFJs and ahem educate tem.

This dude was just mixing up LIE with ASS types. Based on this quoted part alone, it already sounds probable that he fits somewhere in the dark triad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yg_b4R80ow

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11-10-2021, 11:59 AM
Averroes

They’re like junk food. They know they should abstain from it and probably eat healthy most of the time but can’t help caving every now and then. Most people don’t like to be defined by their “mistakes”/vices”
11-10-2021, 02:25 PM
Shazaam

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They’re like junk food. They know they should abstain from it and probably eat healthy most of the time but can’t help caving every now and then. Most people don’t like to be defined by their “mistakes”/vices”

Fair point but the thing is, at the time it doesn't feel like a mistake or vice at all- but just something so natural. What the woman said about bad boys protecting you also feels true. No offense but maybe straight guys don't fully understand this but women/gay guys hate somebody cruelly taking advantage of our natural vulnerabilities. Nobody likes that, but we especially don't. A guy that can be viscious to our natural predators/enemies in the outside world but nice to us is like- damn.

Of course in reality a guy that is a dick to others is often also a dick to their significant other as well. ((Fe trumping Fi? lol)) That's where things go south and go south hard and then everybody is all 'you stupid str8 girl why were you so typical and did this! If you just weren't attracted to him in the first place this fucked up grimdark drama wouldn't even be happening now, you should be ashamed of your natural instincts. Why couldn't you have just married Nice Guy greg who was so sweet to you and bagged your groceries at Walgreens!'

Because well Greg didn't prove himself as a good enough tank. In a dog eat dog world you fight fire with fire not by being nice. That can be an effective strategy too at times don't get me wrong, but it's obviously limited. I don't know- everybody sucks sometimes. SJWism against white straight guys is stupid because it's not like females/gays/blacks/whatever aren't the bad guys sometimes too. It's not really about right or wrong though but about power.
11-10-2021, 06:00 PM
Giordano Bruno

Isfj is so spanning the bridge of connection and snips of hair to retract darkness and help warm up the fuzz and zig zags of Cretaceous supper with bamboo Bunny and carefree tiger to plot their haven of luminous firmaments of humanity and harmony.

isfj powers up the support system for nursing damage and greeting you with feathers and dance. I love isfj chocolate boxes of loving embrace.
11-10-2021, 06:14 PM
roger557

This is just a stage some women go through, not sure if it especifically has to do with ISFjs, but I suspect it does.
11-11-2021, 08:31 PM
Great

lol no
11-11-2021, 08:54 PM
roger557

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Originally Posted by Great

lol no

How would you know, you are male. ISFj women would never admit it, but I think it's true.
11-11-2021, 09:05 PM
Great

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Originally Posted by roger557

How would you know, you are male.

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uplo...joke-gif-5.gif
11-12-2021, 08:21 PM
Nightmare

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Originally Posted by roger557

How would you know, you are male. ISFj women would never admit it, but I think it's true.

How would you know? You are a male.

Now coming from an ESI (ISFj) woman - lol no.

But of course, you'll probably just invalidate my genuine preferences with "they'd never admit it" just as you hypocritically invalidated someone else's opinion because they're a male even though you also are a male.

In other words, you seem like you just want to believe what you want to believe.

EDIT:
Btw, the point I'm trying to make by saying all of this is that male opinions are just as valid. Both of them, regardless of whether I or anyone else personally agrees. Until it's supported by evidence, it's no more than a belief. You can't just counter beliefs with "no bc I believe differently," regardless of what your gender is. Females believing it doesn't make it any more valid/correct, it's still just a belief. Either gender is able to provide factual evidence.
11-13-2021, 01:33 AM
roger557

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Originally Posted by Noir

How would you know? You are a male.

Now coming from an ESI (ISFj) woman - lol no.

But of course, you'll probably just invalidate my genuine preferences with "they'd never admit it" just as you hypocritically invalidated someone else's opinion because they're a male even though you also are a male.

In other words, you seem like you just want to believe what you want to believe.

EDIT:
Btw, the point I'm trying to make by saying all of this is that male opinions are just as valid. Both of them, regardless of whether I or anyone else personally agrees. Until it's supported by evidence, it's no more than a belief. You can't just counter beliefs with "no bc I believe differently," regardless of what your gender is. Females believing it doesn't make it any more valid/correct, it's still just a belief. Either gender is able to provide factual evidence.

This+Te retardedness flinged as an attempt to feel superior, probably caused by being triggered by my posting, is due to be ignored.

Explanation #2: He cannot cite his own preference as example, because this thread is referring to female ISFj's being attracted to male bad boys. He hasn't supplied any examples or third party knowlege. I, however, am aware of a few ISFj females who seemed to be attracted to bad boys (properly defined: SLE's) in their youth, one of them I had to open her eyes much to my detriment, and have her see that she needed a good man instead, to which she married a pussy. Both examples I know are Fi sub, so you don't have to feel triggered(assuming you are really ESI) by this(in case this particular triggered you).
11-13-2021, 03:58 AM
Nightmare

@roger557 I just find it odd that the ESI personality in general would go for this. I'd sooner expect it of IEI.

I'm biting my tongue with the rest. I see no reason why we should continue the back and forth until there is a hostile relationship between us when we don't actually know each other.
11-25-2021, 03:03 PM
Toro

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Originally Posted by roger557

How would you know, you are male. ISFj women would never admit it, but I think it's true.

Here you have admitted that you've made up your mind and there's no changing it. So what's the point in arguing?

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