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This person has a tendency to sometimes be a party pooper. That quality of giving straight up estimates I mentioned before. This can really rain on people's parades. Like say we were in a group, you know, went out on a friday, and two people had harmonicas. Well, one person, but the two of them were into it. And they were getting carried away by the spirit kind of. Well, this person was very blunt about the suckage of the learner of the two. The learner took it as purposeful discouragement and wowed to not give up, almost in a spite kind of thing. The person wasn't too upset about this. Actually not at all. The learner visibly was. If only a little.
Consistent with INTp, at least with :Fe: PoLR and a schizoid personality structure in a psychoanalytic perspective.
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Also this person is the type that always has a say in everything, some little piece of information, opinion, advice and so on. They're the "Did you know that..." type. And arrogant about it. Like, if they think they're correct they don't back off. Even if it is a small matter. They still feel the need to "put you down" and correct you. But much like I mentioned before I'm not sure how to interpret this.
Perfectly consistent with the INTp hypothesis. Every single aspect of it is typical INTp behaviour as it is described in the type descriptions. (And of course I am exactly like this myself, too.)
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It seem like they are being nasty on purpose but after getting past it, it seem as if they don't even care about you. Like they were indifferent to you the whole time. Odd really.
Yes, I know that it might seem odd to other people. They are not nasty on purpose, but it is correct that they are, in a sense, indifferent to you. It is an essential part of the schizoid personality structure that you are indifferent to praise and criticism.
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A talent they have is making order. But it's a subtle one. And not a propagated one. Like they don't really talk or consider it in any way. When they do it they do it and nobody notices a thing. Well, not really nobody.
Consistent with the hypothesis.
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They have a "thing" with doing things properly, right, correctly, and so on. But this is not something that goes away like water under a bridge. They have to keep pushing it. Like I mentioned when they do it feels so mean but so insensitive at the same time. And they never let it go, even the minor issues. They have to make absolutely sure "they've got it right". And no amount of friendship, loyalty will stand between that.
What you describe is an extremely typical INTp in behaviour and attitude, with more than a slight dose of Asperger/Schizoid traits as well. Obvious :Fe: PoLR. "Choosing the "right option" and "developing or choosing the right ideology" are manifestations of :Ni:, according to Dmitri Lytov.
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And they also don't lie. Which I think is a lie.
It is not a lie. The truth is that they don't lie, and this is an essential and very typical Asperger trait, that is also perfectly consistent with INTp.
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As everybody lies. I think they do lie, but lie about it.
No, everybody does not lie -- they are the the exception to the general "rule". They don't lie about it, they are perfectly honest, even thought that might be hard to understand if you don't think like them.
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Like they have some sort of an issue with it. As if they need to appear prudent or something.
No, that is a totally incorrect interpretation. You misunderstand them completely if you think that.
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Pathetic really. And I think their need for being correct about thing is also a part of this.
Pathetic or not, I think you should try to understand them correctly before you judge them.
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And I think they're perfectionist. Even though the claim not to be.
Correct. Perfectionism is both an ILI and an Asperger trait.
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They align unaligned object on furniture and stuff and can quickly organize things, "bring order". And when confronted they go silent. They can't explain it. I think it's because of our lazy ass culture where people are brought up to admire and propagate laziness and underachievement, so they "try to fit in" by pretending to have adopted the group norms. Which again I find pathetic. But then again, they might have their own best interests at heart, which is something I can relate to.
I don't think this is a type important aspect, so I leave it as it is.
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However, up until recently, when I took a look at the elements and their usage a little more, took a look at their essence more carefully, I was convinced this person is a Fe type.
The person you have described is absolutely not a Fe type -- unless you have described him/her incorrectly.
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They're the classical Fe group person, cracking jokes, laughing, generally bringing comedy and laughs to the group. But it doesn't fit.
No, it doesn't fit the person you have described at all. And I have no idea how you can think that they're the classical Fe goup person. It makes no sense at all.
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The individual is anything but emotive at heart, in fact, even when in this fun mood they seem so depersonalized, insensitive. If they show some sort of personal sentiments I cant help but feel it's fake for them. That they feel nothing but have a social mask on. Because when it is time to comfort people, they shy away. Well, not so much shy away as drop that image. They aid by not being warm, fluffy and cuddly, but by laying it out how they see it and expecting the person to *work* their problems out. And I emphasized the word "work" purposefully here.
Here you try to interpret the person's behaviour, and your interpretatio is most likely incorrect, based on what you have said so far.
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When I reed the Fe descriptions now and think about it, other then a superficial similarity, they don't seem like it.
Good that you realize that now.
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To take from the wiki, they do seem to have a keen grasp of what people are passionate about, excitement and liveliness, agitation and irritation, shock and amazement, distress and gloominess, but I wouldn't say at their core. In all honesty, I don't think they care about any of that. Especially group spirit.
I think you're right.
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Even though they seem to be masters at it. But it feels like it's just fake, as if it's a play, some sort social adaptation brought on by compensation, as if it was something they learned and became good at it.
I don't understand why you think that they are masters at it. You haven't described them as good at that sort of thing. What have you left out in the description? Your interpretations don't seem to be grounded in what you can observe.
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Like I said, they have a tendency to want to do thing "right" and will have no qualms, or should I say regards for personal sentiments, in doing so. And this feels off about a Fe dominant.
Very much so, yes. I sounds much more like Fe PoLR.
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What Fe dominant stops a joke to correct somebody on providing wrong information.
No one.
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However, I can't shake the impression of Fe from them.
Why not? I get no Fe vibes whatsoever from your description.
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They're so playful, and so Fe-cute. They go aww at puppies, they like pretty colors, shiny objects, very much use the Fe hyper talk "OMG that is SO COOL!!11!1!1!!1". I guess you could say they love life, but I'm sure that's not it. It's when you get close to them that bothers me. On the surface, from a far, they seem straightforward Fe type, case closed, but up close and personal, not at all.
I think you have an incorrect view of Fe in general. It really seems so anyway. Naïvety and acting almost childish, showing a "pure" fascination with things like you mention, is not Fe.
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They always seem to propagate a reduction of Fe, toning things down.
Exactly. That's how ILIs are described. The essence of what you describe seems to 100 % INTp.
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In terms of personal values it seem the opposite, straight forward Te. However, they do still remain carefree and playful, childlike really.
The first time I said that INTps are childlike (more so than the Alpha INTjs) must have been more than a year ago, about two years maybe, I don't remember exactly. But I remember that people had the incorrect idea even back then that just because you are an Alpha type you are also childish, which is ridiculous and a misuse and a misunderstanding of the quadras.
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Well, not constantly really, but up close and personal they still, naturally, act Fe-ish at times. So I'm just not sure about them.
The main problem seems to be that you have an incorrect understanind of :Fe:. If you correct that misunderstanding, it all starts to make perfect sense.