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I think my self-typing is a five. 6w5 might seem a bit like me, but it's hard for me to identify with the core traits of sixness. I know little about such things, so you could be right.
I don't really know much about e types either, but i've spoke to two guys who know stuff and i've had a look at some of it and i'm thinking either 6w5 or 5w6 for me. I'll have me a look at the 9w8 you suggested as another possible typing.
wow, you think I'm a 6w5...I don't even know how to respond to that
I don't type myself... especially in ennaegram. please remove.Quote:
Bionicgoat 9w1
lol x 100 because he thinks I'm the one who looks for social recognition.
I'm going to make a userlist just so I can say how little I think of you, Glam. I'm this close to doing it. :lol:
I like reading these userlists too.
Oh, and I've never typed myself on enneagram.
Not that it matters.
chopin is a deeply caring individual, and one who likes to express her love for various individuals she feels in some way attached to. At her core, she's actually quite selfish, and almost always (in comparison with me) are her posts referring to someone who isn't herself. The upbeat positive attitude could be attributable to either the nervous 6w7 who looks for allies, or it could be to do with her generally being upbeat; that is, a 7w6. Ultimately though, I think her main motivation lies with caring for and about others.
Adding "I think" would be appropriate. What the hell do you know about my 'core'?? Lol.
i don't necessarily disagree with 5w6, but i've always typed myself as 5w4 sx/sp or sp/sx.
Well, I agree with mine, for whatever that's worth.
Hey, I self type as a 7w8. And where'd you get my "self-typing" anyhow?
Ezra, I'm just sayin' that most of the old EI has me typed as a 5w6. I couldn't really convince them of anything else.
Mime, just a quick thought, but maybe 9w1.
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Exactly. Totally the reasons I was thinking.
i don't know why i get the idea that you pull a lot of these etypes out of your ass, ezra.
jesus guys you take everything way too seriously. You are making dramatics uncool.
There are like three types that are more likely for me than 7. :lol:
And who on earth ever said that I'm 3w2? I know machintruc has been insisting that I'm a 3 since he doesn't hate me and he hates 8's or whatever, but I don't recall him saying that I have a 2 wing. If I was a 3 (which I'm definitely not), I'd be 3w4.
I don't really see what the big deal is, the guy made a list, he's put down the reasons for the types (that he's had time to do) and he may have got some wrong. Big deal. Is it really that important to people that your made up name that's on some list that people will never see is totally correct? Or are people just kidding on that they are getting worked up about it :confused:
Funny, because still, people see me as a source of authority. Still they're challenging me on something that's not even firm or proven! They're arguing with me about my own baseless opinions! It's massively ironic, because this idea shits right down UDP IM A PRETENSE EZRA IS AUTHORITY GOD 4EVA's throat.
What's so funny about that? It's perfectly plausible.
I am so sorry. I didn't mean to write "selfish". I meant to write "selfless". Seriously, I'm really sorry about that. That was completely not what I meant to say. I've corrected it now.
I'm going to keep her on the list out of principle. Why does she think she's special or deserves any less coverage than anyone else? I'll type her as I please. It's my goddamned userlist, and I can put who the fuck I like on it and I can say what the fuck I please about them.
No. She's far too dramatic and self-expressive to be a 9w1.
You're learning quickly, child.
I will give you POWER. You have only to kneel to ME and accept me as your KING.
Maybe it's because I haven't justified half of them. God, don't you people read anything except your own fucking type? Self-centered fucks. Self-centered people always miss the point, because all they care about is themselves and what people think of them, instead of reading the first fucking line of the fucking list.
Yes, thank you. Some people do read.
3w4 was a type considered on EIDB. Joy, I don't think you're a 3w4, but I think it's a possibility, because I don't have anything against it.
Yeah, like chopin, another person with sense.
Who said 3w2 though? Your list says 3w2, not 3w4.
3 is certainly more likely than 7! :lol:Quote:
Joy, I don't think you're a 3w4, but I think it's a possibility, because I don't have anything against it.
There's absolutely no question in my mind though, I am 8.
You and I have talked about this more than we've talked about anything else, I think. And every time you ask me questions and every time you say at the end of the conversation that you think that I'm an 8.
newsflash: Ezra is a serf (think: lowly folks at the bottom of feudal triangle)
seriously, i dont think you're an authority. who cares if you are or aren't, or whether people think you are or aren't? but i do think that when you write a list containing peoples' names and types of anything and with any degree of certainty next to the names, you are inviting some sort of challenge. some people look to you for conclusions without even realizing it, Ezra, because you assert yourself as if you could provide them. this type of confidence conjurs up memories of my own history in serfdom, so i thank you. they were serious confident folks and we should all spend more time at the bottom of the triangle.
I am not on the list, but it's ok since I understand that we rarely communicate so you don't know much about me.
Not anymore it doesn't. :p
Okay, fair enough. But if I change it now people will think less of me for being inconsistent and fickle!Quote:
3 is certainly more likely than 7! :lol:
There's absolutely no question in my mind though, I am 8.
You and I have talked about this more than we've talked about anything else, I think. And every time you ask me questions and every time you say at the end of the conversation that you think that I'm an 8.
Yeah, fair point.
To you, perhaps. To me, maybe. To this forum, it's a possibility. To others off this forum, it's plausible.
Correcto.
Awwww, I'm sorry. I know I've been a bit harsh with you recently. Rest assured that I do like you a lot (and I mean that with all my heart. Genuinely).
ETA: god, I just read that back to myself and it actually made me LOL because it really is harsh shit.
E(again)TA: I wrote you a socionics analysis on the wiki.
Now that's very wrong.Quote:
Winterpark Self-Typing 9w8
A few things...Quote:
Joy exhibits behaviour and language which seems more mental than it does gut based. She often writes either in long, drawn out discourses (which is very rare) or in short, sharp sentences. I do see some similarities between Joy and myself, but I get the feeling that I have slightly more patience with others than she does, or at least more patience to respond to others substantively.
First of all, why would I write a long response when I can say what I'm trying to say with a short one? I'm a big fan of efficiency... usually effectiveness as well, but not always in my communications here, which brings me to my second comment...
Sometimes I know that only 1 out of 10 people who read what I wrote are going to understand it. They're the ones who matter anyways (as evidenced by their understanding of it), and I see no reason to put forth the effort to explain the whole situation/context/meaning to the rest of the world. If anyone else wants to understand what I'm saying they'll ask. And if I feel like getting into it I will.
Thirdly, what does any of your comment have to do with my being 7 or 3 over 8? :lol:
My "dependent style of thinking?" Fuck you, man! :p
No but seriously, this "taking all advice" thing is just me being fed up with trying to figure out my own type. In fact it's a direct result of not taking enough advice.
Nonetheless I see merit in 7w6. It seems to make the most sense. Tanehem has a case for 3w4, but I think all of my behavior relative to 3 and 4 is extremely unhealthy, and my behavior is more typical of a 7w6, I think.
hey Ezra, just wondering, do you find it easier to guess someone's E-type online rather than their socionics type? if so, what do you think is the reason for this?
From my experience, some people's types are simply a lot more apparent in one system than the other.
Corrected on that basis. What have you typed yourself, if anything?
I don't know. It seems completely illogical if you're a big fan of efficiency.
So you're an elitist then? You deliberately prolong the length of your reasoning so that those who don't "deserve" to read it don't?Quote:
Sometimes I know that only 1 out of 10 people who read what I wrote are going to understand it. They're the ones who matter anyways (as evidenced by their understanding of it), and I see no reason to put forth the effort to explain the whole situation/context/meaning to the rest of the world. If anyone else wants to understand what I'm saying they'll ask. And if I feel like getting into it I will.
1. Sevens are members of the head triad, Eights are members of the gut triad.Quote:
Thirdly, what does any of your comment have to do with my being 7 or 3 over 8?
2. Sevens are impatient in their reasoning. Read Herzy's posts. There's maybe one or two posts where she really gets her head down and writes a huge explanation like you do. Then look at Fabio. Has he ever written paragraphs and paragraphs of theory?
3. The similarities between me and you would obviously be about my being an Eight and your having an Eight wing - and, obviously, being a Seven - and the fact that I have more patience (and thus more perseverence/focus) would explain this distinction further.
I think that covers everything in my explanation. Plus, Joy, for the record, I think you're far more likely to be an Eight than a Three, so I've basically not justified Three at all. However, even you yourself see it as a possibility, and there isn't that much that contradicts Three in your behaviour, language and style.
Perhaps, but why would you not get along with, say, Alpha NTs (in a conversation, I mean, not in relationships - obviously you value the opposite thing)?
Sorry, man. I know it sounds harsh, but that's how I view it. Full respect to you though; it's not meant to offend, nor am I trying to condescend.
[quote]No but seriously, this "taking all advice" thing is just me being fed up with trying to figure out my own type. In fact it's a direct result of not taking enough advice.
I personally would agree; I think 7w6 is more likely than 3w4, based on my own observations of you and of your descriptions of yourself. I also view 7w6 as being closer to 6w7 than to 3w4, which is why I think it's possible.Quote:
Nonetheless I see merit in 7w6. It seems to make the most sense. Tanehem has a case for 3w4, but I think all of my behavior relative to 3 and 4 is extremely unhealthy, and my behavior is more typical of a 7w6, I think.
My first thoughts were "yes" but then I'm also thinking "no". Yes, because I'm far more acquainted with the Enneagram than I am with socionics, and I feel I recognise types in others more than I do functions. No, because functions are far more easy to see externally than people's inner motivations for doing something (this is basically Enneagram territory). Without interviewing an individual offline, for a prolonged amount of time, it can be very difficult to explain someone's behaviour for certain. This is how mistypes occur; I see some behaviour in a person, I mistakenly attribute it to one type when it should really be attributed to another, based on the individual's hidden motivation for doing it. For example, if someone harps on about their image, I immediately see Three as a possibility. But what if their going on about their image is to maintain their mental and - to some extent - physical security? This is a Six issue, but because the motivation is unknown to me, I don't see it. And that's precisely the problem with typing online.
This I'd agree with.
Why? What purpose is there in explaining everything I say so that anyone in the world can understand it perfectly when it doesn't have anything to do with them? If the people who I want to understand it understand it, how am I being inefficient?
No. It's not about worthiness or deservedness. Some people just "get it" and some don't. It's about compatibility, not superiority. (Not to mention that different people can get different comments about different things, depending on the situation.)Quote:
So you're an elitist then? You deliberately prolong the length of your reasoning so that those who don't "deserve" to read it don't?
Basically, this is a manifestation of Ti as a 7th function. (And no, I'm not suggesting that Ti manifests this way in all those who have it as their 7th function. Functions manifest different ways in different people of the same type.)
Two things...Quote:
1. Sevens are members of the head triad, Eights are members of the gut triad.
2. Sevens are impatient in their reasoning. Read Herzy's posts. There's maybe one or two posts where she really gets her head down and writes a huge explanation like you do. Then look at Fabio. Has he ever written paragraphs and paragraphs of theory?
First of all, are you seriously suggesting that I am in any way similar to either of these posters? I don't think any of us would appreciate that suggestion.
Secondly, I could find at least 100 topics like this one that I posted in General in last year or so.
Someone's not an 8 unless they're just like you?Quote:
3. The similarities between me and you would obviously be about my being an Eight and your having an Eight wing - and, obviously, being a Seven - and the fact that I have more patience (and thus more perseverence/focus) would explain this distinction further.
Yes, I am. And I'm far more likely to be a 3 than a 7. Where does that leave your theory? :pQuote:
I think that covers everything in my explanation. Plus, Joy, for the record, I think you're far more likely to be an Eight than a Three, so I've basically not justified Three at all.
No... only my motivations, values, and thought processes. Not that things like that matter at all.Quote:
However, even you yourself see it as a possibility, and there isn't that much that contradicts Three in your behaviour, language and style.
I'm not sure what this has to do with my enneagram type.Quote:
Perhaps, but why would you not get along with, say, Alpha NTs (in a conversation, I mean, not in relationships - obviously you value the opposite thing)?
Ok, you win.
Oh? :lol:
You win as well, if you take into consideration the past half a dozen times we talked about my enneagram type and you asked me a bunch of questions and I answered them, and at the end you yourself said that I'm 8w7. (I can forward you the PMs, if you don't recall the specific questions or answers.)
Never mind. I mean, I could still forward you the PMs that I haven't deleted yet (there should be at least a few), but going through it and whatnot... I dunno, this is starting to sound like it's more effort than it's worth. Maybe we should just discuss it again via PM, and I won't say anything that I wouldn't want in the wiki so you can use it all.
Lol, Ezra basically wrote about me:
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discojoe didn't give me enough Fe when we were PMing, so I now consider him cold and unfriendly.
Interesting.
Apparently I'm modest, insightful and wise...? Well, I don't particularly get called "modest" IRL too often, but I'll cop to occasionally waxing insightful (and appreciate being seen as such). I'll also confess to having a ravenous appetite for knowledge amassing. One look @ my crammed bookshelves will suffice in that regard. To some extent I revere knowledge, but simply often don't know how to make the best use of it. I'm very good at plunging into a course of study on any topic, wading around in it pretty deeply for a spell and gaining a good grasp, but then ultimately losing interest in any *really* disciplined study. I don't sustain any focus long enough to become an "expert" per se.
Which is generally what makes me a 4w5 and not a 5w4... I'm more of a "knowledge dilettante" rather than an authority. :D
I'm also much more emotionally reactive in my everyday life. It's so easy to be careful and composed on the Internets. There's very little regret necessary when you have all the time you like to decide what to say.
And as far as pretending to be something I'm not... that would just take far too much effort to maintain. I might have bursts of ingenuity, but ultimately have better things to spend my energy on.
At any rate, Ezra... I have to say you've grown on me. You were certainly an annoying blustery know-it-all when you first showed up and occasionally fall back on attention-whoring when you're needy for stimulation, but you actually do have some wit and that's always something I appreciate. If you were 10 or 12 years older, I might even find you attractive.
Take your idiotic reasoning for my being a 6 out of there....it's completely false and stupid
I'm "completely loyal to Asthon and his cause because I'm looking for guidance in my socionics understanding?" No. Ashton is just a friend who has shown me that he has a much more comprehensive understanding of the functions than most people, regardless of what model he uses. Ezra is obviously blind to my actual personality. Anyone who truly understands the six temperament and has interacted with me and made accurate observations would never associate me with it. I am a 4w5, sp/sx...6 is the last type I would want to be. And wtf is this bullshit about me not liking conflict? I THRIVE on conflict. Everything I say has an undertone that attempts to captivate or have some effect. I dunno wtf this kid's talking about. But hey, he thinks he's an 8, so that's proof enough of his ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
Can I add my own complaints and arguments to this thread?
Odd choice of metaphor --Quote:
Conversation with Expat can leave one quite drained; he layers on the information and explanation like icing on a wedding cake.
You've mentioned somewhere that you see me as being ashamed with expressing anger. Does that have anything to do with your typing of me as 3w4?Quote:
There also appears to be some deep-seated anger triad issues there, and you get the feeling that he wouldn't be particularly concerned with expressing said anger. 1w9 is a possibility because for all I know, he could be ashamed with expressing anger, as Ones tend to be
And, what is your reasoning for saying I am ashamed or worried about expressing anger?
Um..I think i'm a 6w5 with 9w1 leanings..Um..I need to study this more?
Glam's opinion trumps all, so here it goes.
To Ezra (and I expect you to take this very seriously!):
I'm hungry.
I don't think you are God.
There's an ink stain on my sleeve that won't come out. :(
I wish people would not stick their used juice boxes in my front hedge. :mad:
No, the sun does not rise in the east.
Why does the second law of thermodynamics have to be so relentlessly consistent? Can't it make a few small exceptions?
Thinking too many negative thoughts is depressing to the psyche.
...oh, and the last time I looked at this Enneagram stuff I typed myself as 9w1.
People are using your front hedges as a trash can?
I hope your shirt isn't white.
And.... I'm hungry too. It's time for lunch, at least.
ok, cool lol. sorry for being all aggressive, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
seriously lol. I've talked to a lot of different people about functions and he has always offered interesting perspectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by discojoe
Ezra, let's play that game where you put me on the list.
7?
Yes. You shouldn't ask, Minde. Feel free to express anything you feel needs expressing, publicly or privately.
I know, I don't know why I chose that. I just thought of the first thing that came to mind which seemed like a logical and edible thing.
I think you could be a 1w9 and a 3w4 for different reasons. What I basically aim to do is interpret your behaviour, and see what of it resonates with each type. Being ashamed at expressing anger; where did you get this? I don't remember writing this about you; could you link me to it please?
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Stick around. You might convince me eventually.
Let's play the game where you post at a forum for longer than a week.
7w6. I could explain why in a split.
Correct information is important, my friend, so I care a great deal.
Thanks Ez, our friendship means so much to me too.
If it helps, I actually think you're a 1w2.
You've got that "duty" and chivalry focus in spades that I've noticed most often in all 1s. Especially in all your posts relating how you believe the females should be treated, romantic relationships approached, etc. You're *careful*. Ones are always very careful and concerned about how they regard others. Always striving for the right way, how things should be done. Even if they don't consciously seek to impose their moral attitudes upon others, their expression is always restrained and measured. Their social interaction always seems somewhat rigid, even when they're allegedly relaxed. And their righteous anger and indignation always ready for a worthy target.
They also use words like "deplorable".
He probably just doesn't have a very good sense of you yet. You could hang around and get typed. However, having been addicted to this forum, and still suffering to a degree, I would suggest you turn tail and run as fast as possible in the opposite direction, and forget about personality psychology altogether.
But that's just me.
lol, oh, can't read tone over the internet too well. If you disagree, then perhaps you can explain why you think my argument is wrong or point something else out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
I probably get it from my mother.
I really couldn't be arsed arguing with that at the time. I wasn't in the mood.
And looking back on it now, I can't really offer something else. Sentences like:
offer a closed view, unwilling to consider the possibilities. And this:
Just chimes confrontational behaviour for me. It makes me not even want to talk with you. I'm not trying to offend you, I just want you to see that I'm not interested in conversing with someone who talks like this.
However, there is one minor point I'd like to make, which may or may not have major repercussions on your views.
Enneagram type is not about desire, it's about actuality. Whether you're a Six or not has no bearing on whether or not you want to be. In fact, many would say it only strengthens the case for a Six in self-denial.
Hey Ezra, stop being a wuss and put your page back up. It was fun watching the drama. Like Days of Our Lives.
Are you seeking conflict, JRiddy? You must be Se valuing. Hence, you are SLE. Your Se is not fake like my Se.
Ezra, I think it should be clear that I am very open to your arguments, as I have pmed you with inquiries about your reasoning. However, the debate has gotten to the point where I simply don't give a fuck anymore.
lmao, you're so pathetic, honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
Some might say that sunshine follows thunder
Go and tell it to the man who cannot shine
Some might say that we should never ponder
On our thoughts today cos they will sway over time
Some might say we will find a brighter day
Some might say we will find a brighter day
Cos I've been standing at the station
In need of education in the rain
You made no preparation for my reputation once again
The sink is full of fishes
She's got dirty dishes on the brain
It was overflowing gently but it's all elementary my friend
Some might say they don't believe in heaven
Go and tell it to the man who lives in hell
Some might say you get what you've been given
If you don't get yours I won't get mine as well
Some might say we will find a brighter day
Some might say we will find a brighter day
Cos I've been standing at the station
In need of education in the rain
You made no preparation for my reputation once again
The sink is full of fishes
Cos she's got dirty dishes on the brain
And my dog's been itchin'
Itchin' in the kitchen once again
Some might say (Some might say)
you know what some might say (you know what some might say)
you know what some might say (you know what some might say)
you know what some might say (you know what some might say)
you know what some might say (you know what some might say)
you know what some might say (you know what some might say)
you know what some might say (you know what some might say)
you know what some might say
We may as well continue.
LIIs philosophise.
SEIs lie on a beach and laugh at everything that moves.
ESEs clean the dishes, take their son to soccer practice and give their husband a blowjob.
EIEs lie, bitch and manipulate.
IEIs spread their legs and envision things.
LSIs salute everyone.
LIEs own everything.
ILIs sit and think about practical matters without doing anything about them.
ESIs sit on LIEs' mantlepieces next to the other trophies.
SEEs party 24/7.
EIIs preach moral thought and deed.
IEEs initiate charities and fund social workers.
SLIs do fuck all.
Joy cp6w7 so/sp
Bionicgoat 6w5 so/sx
Expat 6w5 sx/sp
FDG 6w5 so/sx
niffweed17 cp6w5 sx/so
discojoe cp6w5 sx/sp
Ezra cp6w7 sp/so
implied 6w5 so/sx
rmcnew 6w5 sx/sp
LokiVanguard cp6w7 so/sp
Rocky 6w5 sx/sp
dee 6w7 so/sx
Gilly cp6w7 sx/so
Slacker Mom cp6w7 so/sp
Herzy 6w5 sp/sx
Diana 6w7 so/sx
Subterranean 6w7 so/sx
Phaedrus 6w7 sx/so
Logos 6w7 so/sx
UDP 6w7 sp/so
XoX cp6w5 sp/sx
jessica129 cp6w5 sx/sp
Gilligan 6w7 so/sp
UDP II cp6w7 so/sp
Gillywilly 6w5 sx/sp
UDP III 6w5 so/sx
Gillster 6w7 so/sp
UDP IV cp6w5 sp/sx
UDP X 6w5 so/sx
Blaze cp6w7 sp/so
Ms. Kensington 6w7 sx/sp
cracka 6w7 so/sp
thehotelambush cp6w5 so/sx
gillee 6w7 so/sp
Kristiina cp6w7 sp/so
Allie 6w7 so/sx
tcaudilllg cp6w5 so/sx
heath cp6w7 so/sp
Winterpark 6w5 sx/so
Kamangir cp6w7 sp/so
Starfall cp6w5 sx/so
Jem 6w7 so/sx
machintruc cp6w7 sx/sp
ifmd95 cp6w5 sx/so
Khamelion 6w7 sp/so
munenori2 6w7 so/sp
Mea 6w7 sx/sp
MysticSonic cp6w5 sx/so
Loki 6w7 sp/so
Elro 6w5 so/sx
glamourama 6w7 sp/sx
dbmmama cp6w5 so/sp
ScarlettLux cp6w7 sx/so
strrrng cp6w5 sp/so
snegledmaca 6w5 sx/sp
Minde 6w7 so/sx
bee 6w5 sp/sx
tereg cp6w7 so/sx
liveandletlive 6w7 sp/sx
mn0good cp6w5 so/sp
Suomea 6w7 sp/sx
misutii cp6w5 sp/so
Mariano Rajoy 6w7 sx/sp
JuJu 6w5 so/sx
aka-kitsune 6w7 sp/sx
Steve 6w5 so/sx
crazedrat cp6w7 sp/so
PotatoSpirit cp6w5 sp/sx
lol
I'm counterphobic, but E5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
EDIT: shitfuck!? you've typed everyone as E6 :lol:
I think I'm more outraged that my name is next to Phaedrus's than by the typing itself. That said, all the typings are quite accurate. You did an excellent job, Nehemiah.
I'm a type E1. Wing 2 if I need a wing. I'm leaning toward 7.
What do cp, sp, and so mean?
I do not claim by any means to be an expert on the ennegram, however I have taken tests and I seem to come up as 7w6 rather than 6w7. Those sound close though
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I like how he apparently has me listed as nearly every possible version of 6 :lol:
Seriously though, I think he has a point. It's pretty easy to justify just about anyone's type as 6 if you pick out their "insecurities" and label their attempts to rectify or assuage them as a search for "security." Perhaps a very insightful and necessary post, Ezra.