Someone gimme an E-type... I don't have one yet.:o
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Someone gimme an E-type... I don't have one yet.:o
We have one in Sweden. Would he do? http://www.e-type.se/
You insist that I elaborate when it comes to why I believe/ think specific things, and yet I'm supposed to just accept your statements without question.
It'd be too embarrassing to go into specifics. :shock: Idk - I just find getting outwardly-emotional about things that bother me helps me to work through them and get over them. I can make people who don't value Fe very uncomfortable. ;)
Ha ha you're a funny guy sometimes. :-p But seriously, you seem to be going about this in a very close-minded fashion. What happened to objectivity? SEIs must be nines, SEIs must be nines. What did you say? I can't hear you. SEIs must be nines, SEIs must be nines.
Yes. Because I have studied this in much more depth than you have. Try to understand my points and what I mean first. Then you can start to question things -- if you have objective arguments instead of just personal hunches or feelings.
The only reason it looks close-minded to you is because your knowledge is so limited on this subject. I know exactly what I am talking about, and I have spent countless of hours analyzing various options. It is you who are close-minded here, because you have an opinion and are drawing a conclusion about something which you haven't studied and don't understand. That is a real example of being close-minded, actually. Many people on this forum are close-minded in that sense; they simply refuse to learn more about a subject, they refuse to examine things critically, they refuse to collect information before they come to a conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by chopin
This is objectivity. I am expressing it in my writings. You are just blind to it, because your knowledge and understanding is limited. There is only one way to go: Study more.Quote:
Originally Posted by chopin
Yes, you heard me correctly. SEIs must be Nines.Quote:
SEIs must be nines, SEIs must be nines. What did you say? I can't hear you. SEIs must be nines, SEIs must be nines.
I have no doubt that you have studied this much more than I have. You may have analysed and categorised countless SEIs, and all of them may have fit the Nine's description perfectly. But you have to accept the fact that if one SEI comes along - just one - that doesn't fit the Nine description, than you have to reexamine your whole hypothesis. It's as simple as that. You're an advocate of the scientific method, so you should agree with that. And don't tell me that you have more insight into my personality than I do. That's one thing that I'm sure I possess more knowledge of than you.
I don't need to study the Enneagram system to know whether a type description fits me or not.qft
I have never studied their types, so I don't have an opinion. Can you provide the links with the most relevant and accurate information? I am not going to do a time-consuming job of trying to find it myself, because those person are of no particular interest to me. But I can alwas make a qualified guess based on some good descriptions of what they are like, pictures and videos etc.
Yes, of course. And I will. But so far that hasn't happened yet. You have so far given me any objective ground to accept that you are not a Nine, because most of the things you have said are perfectly consistent with type Nine. That is what I have tried to explain to you, that's what I have been trying to make you see.
Yes, we agree on that. I base all my conclusions on your type(s) based on what you are telling me about yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by chopin
Wrong. When it comes to type descriptions you have a lot to learn. I am unquestionably much more of an expert in that area than you are. You can't determine with any accuracy whether you fit or don't fit a certain type description if you don't have accurate knowledge and understanding of all of them. So far you have only pointed to mostly irrelevant aspects of those type descriptions -- aspects that you also are drawing incorrect conclusions from. You don't realize it because you can't see all of the type descriptions in all their complexity at the same time. You don't have the overall general picture of them. I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by chopin
If you have read all the arguments in our discussion, you will probably agree that it is not so clear. Chopin's correct Enneatype is simply not determined. None of chopin's own arguments, except perhaps one, suggested that 2 would be more likely than 9, and one specific argument almost falsified the 2 hypothesis.
Ahaa oh yes, I'm a 1w9
That's exactly the case. :lol:
I normally type as a five, but I got typed as a four recently. I keep changing my mind between 5w4 and 5w6, so I probably don't have a wing.
Phaedrus, I'm willing to go up against you. I would love you to first type me by the 1800+ posts I have, then prove to me that I am a E-type 9, because I am sure I am not. :P
It will be war, which is my point. E-type 9 wouldn't even make such a challenge, because they lay down and die under conflict.
Ok, I am between Nine and Two as of now, as you say.
The 9 type description, first paragraph. I will bold what I disagree with:
Peace is nice, and I enjoy it. However, when someone attacks my morality system, I will attack them to the ends of the world or I realize that it is not worth it. Sometimes, peace won't cut it, and I consider it extremely weak to not have a backbone when people are infringing on your rights.Quote:
People of this personality type essentially feel a need for peace and harmony. They tend to avoid conflict at all costs, whether it be internal or interpersonal.
I am very extroverted when I am around my friends and people I know. However, if I am in a new social environment, I clam up and am very quiet. I do not fear conflict. I do not enjoy at all, but it is a part of life.Quote:
As the potential for conflict in life is virtually ubiquitous, the Nine's desire to avoid it generally results in some degree of withdrawal from life, and many Nines are, in fact, introverted.
Possibly me, but as i said, I do not fear conflict to that degree. I take life second by second, day by day, and roll with the punches.Quote:
Other Nines lead more active, social lives, but nevertheless remain to some to degree "checked out," or not fully involved, as if to insulate themselves from threats to their peace of mind.
I am easy-going, reliable, self-effacing, and likable. But I make waves with my personal beliefs at times, which can sometimes lead to conflict, which I deal with to the best of my ability. To ignore conflict is to ignore life, which I cannot and will not do.Quote:
Most Nines are fairly easy going; they adopt a strategy of "going with the flow." They are generally reliable, sturdy, self-effacing, tolerant and likable individuals.
What does this mean Phaedrus. I am self-effacing when I am around people who compliment me, but I know my self-worth on the inside.Quote:
Nines, however, are self-effacing whereas Twos are quite aware of their own self worth.
And the two description is more like me. I love to teach and help people.
brb.
Kamangir
1. Read this.
2. Job done.Quote:
Originally Posted by R&H
I'm just going to edit Machintruc's list, primarily because I don't feel like thinking up users.
Rick : 9w1
Herzy : 7w8
Ezra : 8w6
Niffweed17 : 5w6
Joy : 8 or 3
Tcaud : 5w6
Bionicgoat : 9w8
FDG : 8w7
Expat : 8w9
Kristiina : 3w4(2?)
Liveandletlive : 7w6
UDP : 6w5(1w9)
Pheadrus : 5w4or6
Loki : 4w5
Rmcnew : 1w9
Discojoe : 6w5
Jessica129 : 6w5(Seems way, way too insecure to be a 7)
You could be 7w8 too. I've been up for longer than 24 hours, so...
Why? I admit, Machintruc has sewn the seeds of confusion... I went to some random enneagram websites... and read the 4 and 5 descriptions... and then I felt between them... and then I thought to myself, what in the hell is the difference between 4w5 and 5w4 anyway... aren't they practically the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticSonic
Of course in the past when I did this I identified with 4>5, but I don't know what descriptions I was reading at the time.
4w5 types tend to write more poetry than 5w4 types and are more likely to kill themselves. 5w4 types are more logical, and they might occasionally write poetry and plays, but they are more structured and like more Sciency things. If you are moody and depressive, you may be a 4w5, or a sad 5w4. Fours are also more retarted than Fives. I hope this helps!
you're right :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Subterranean
Here's some more informatin to think about. First some sort of summary:
Then an "intertype" analysis:Quote:
Twos and Nines might cross-type, although it is far more likely for Nines, especially those who identify with a nurturing role, to mistype as Twos, than for the reverse to occur. But Nines are self-effacing and humble; Twos are proud and have a strong sense of their self worth. Twos under stress become domineering; Nines under stress tend to withdraw. Twos are quite strong willed; Nines struggle with self-assertion.
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Enneagram Type Two (the Helper) with
Enneagram Type Nine (the Peacemaker
What Each Type Brings to the Relationship
Enneagram Twos and Nines are similar in a wide variety of areas and reactions; both types are interested in nurturing others and in helping people to be better, more comfortable with themselves, and more at peace. Both types also tend to be optimistic and to reframe disappointments in the most positive way possible. This pairing has an outstanding warm, kindly, and good-natured quality about it that each side reinforces. Twos and Nines are easy-going, hospitable, and undemanding, happy to make friends happy and to welcome them into their home. Twos bring to the pair a more outward and interpersonally engaging energy: they would most likely be the first to introduce themselves at a party or to go to someone's aid and comfort if they perceived that the other person had some kind of problem. Twos are proud of their relationship, their home, their family and their friends—and they want to share them with others. Twos constantly add energy and new people to the relationship mix. They are more talkative than Nines and more openly curious about other people, how they live and what they are like, and more eager to get involved in others' lives.
On the other hand, Nines bring a quiet steadiness and uncomplicated directness that allows people to flourish and things to get done with a minimum of stress and conflict. Even if Twos become upset about their relationships, or are feeling moments of self-doubt about how loved they are, Nines have a way of calming them down and of providing a great deal of unquestioned acceptance. Both types are drawn to each other to provide soothing and support; their home and hearth, pets and love of nature are extremely important to them. Both go out of their way to be considerate of each other, as well as of other people. Much of their best communication is non-verbal, physical, arising from their simple, direct presence to each other. They can develop almost a psychic link with each other. This is a very mellow couple, whose emphasis on hospitality reminds people of how healing it is to be around loving, generous people.
Potential Trouble Spots or Issues
Both Twos and Nines tend to give away their power and to go along with the agendas of others. Yet, one of the parties will have to wear the pants in the family, taking charge and making decisions. Doing so goes against the grain of both types, although either will take charge if necessary. However, negotiating power and decision making in a Two/Nine couple puts both parties under increasing stress and both tend to feel that they are being forced into the bad guy role in the family—and that they will be resented and unloved while their partner gets off the hook.
Further, neither finds it easy to talk about their feelings or their growing discontent with the power balance in the relationship, or with any other sources of resentment and potential conflicts that they may have. Twos tend to actually take over too much, becoming domineering and controlling, not hesitating to boss the Nine around and to speak with surprising harshness to him or her. But because Twos can rationalize their motives and see themselves only as all loving, they can continue without feeling guilty or embarrassed.
Nines find it difficult to find their own voice and to speak up for themselves. But when the Nine actually does speak up, the Two often takes this as a lack of gratitude and tries to turn the Nine's comments around on them. Twos are not good at taking criticism, and when Nines find the courage to speak up, they may go overboard with a load of old resentments that have pilled up. The result is that Nines withdraw into silence and become passive-aggressive as a way of dealing with their anger, while Twos feel unappreciated, misunderstood, and rejected. Both try to keep everything quiet and normal on the surface, although they begin to deteriorate into longer silences with each other-and more distance, including less physical contact. An air of tension takes over, punctuated by angry outbursts and recriminations. The couple that seems so unassuming and supportive tends to end through attrition and drifting apart. Nobody wants to talk about what has really happened, no body wants to take responsibility for the deterioration of the relationship, and things eventually simply fall apart.
Under stress, I become very bitchy and blunt with people, like I'm in a ton of shit now, get out of my way, stop bothering me. I don't have time to be your friend and joke with you. But yes, I regret saying it afterwards.
In the intertype description, I agree with everything here.
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(The E-type 2)They would most likely be the first to introduce themselves at a party(not always, but if I see an opening for communication, I go for it.) or to go to someone's aid and comfort if they perceived that the other person had some kind of problem. Twos are proud of their relationship, their home, their family and their friends—and they want to share them with others. Twos constantly add energy and new people to the relationship mix. They are more talkative than Nines and more openly curious about other people, how they live and what they are like, and more eager to get involved in others' lives.
This is very true, I fold a little under pressure, but I still feel the need to defend my point of view.Quote:
Nines find it difficult to find their own voice and to speak up for themselves.
nope. Not at all. I'm usually trying to attract attention to myself verbally.Quote:
On the other hand, Nines bring a quiet steadiness and uncomplicated directness that allows people to flourish and things to get done with a minimum of stress and conflict.
Once more, I feel more e-type 2 still, but there are some things of E-type nine I am like.
For those who care I've determined that I'm most likely a 6w7.
Eh? You meant 8w7, yeah?
Other than that, I agree. Except 8w7 for Fabio is laughable
You reckon she's insecure?Quote:
(Seems way, way too insecure to be a 7)
I know, it's strange isn't it.
I smite thee, Te PoLR, to the dirt.
Yea, I had been up for a VERYYYY long time when I posted that. 7w8 does make more sense for him now, and yes, of course I meant 8w7. I pretty much stick by the rest of them though.
I've known lots of ILI's who were depressive, hostile, pushy and unmotivated.
They usually look like CP Sixes or depressed Fives.
Lots of ILI's are -+-.
For example, I suspect these people to be ILI -+- :
- Victor Talanov
- Grigory Reinin
- Sri Aurobindo
- Woody Allen
- Charles Darwin
- Vincent Van Gogh
ILI Fours are "critics", whereas ILI Fives are "observers"
No. It is a totally obvious, indisputable fact that I am an E5.
If your assumptions lead you to a false conclustion, then there must be something wrong with at least one of your asumptions. It is a fact that I am an E5, and therefore you must come to that conclusion. If you don't, you are obviously wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by machintruc
Currently thinking :
Rmcnew : 1
Bionicgoat : 2
Kristiina : 2
Cracka : 2
Herzy : 3
Joy : 3
Salawa : 3
UDP : 3
Niffweed17 : 4
Loki : 4
Chopin : 4
Tcaud : 5
Jessica129 : 5
Hitta : 5
Minde : 5
Expat : 6
Pheadrus : 6
Implied : 6
FDG : 7
Liveandletlive : 7
Discojoe : 8
Ezra : 8
Rick : 9
Almost all of them wrong, machintruc. Nice!
Why don't you explain why you believe those are the types?
Start with me, if you want to.
PS: 50 euros is on me being an E3 because I posted a picture of me with an award lol
Psh if I am an E3 then I am absoulutely the worst E3 ever. Look how unadmired I am in this thread, the thread of the forum members you want to meet: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=18660 Aimicable and admired? Is that what I seek to be? Absolutely not.
Case closed.
I don't think Niffweed is a 4.
Possibly 5w4 tho.
I dunno. You'd have to ask him.
Niffweed is a 4, he is full of stryfe like us.
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If he wasn't so dry I would force him to enlist in the IxFp army zomg.
http://www.blendsblog.com/wp-content.../05/boring.jpg
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your computer is fail, zomg:
http://www.imageox.com/image/251146-Untitled.jpeg
Rmcnew : 1w2
Bionicgoat : 9w8
Kristiina : 3w4
Cracka : Could be a Two
Herzy : 7w8
Joy : Could be a Three, Seven or Eight
Salawa : 5w4
UDP : Three - yes, definitely. I was thinking One, but I've been reading about the One, and it seems a bit off. Likewise, he doesn't exhibit the air of a Six. However, Three fits perfectly
Niffweed17 : 5w6
Loki : 4w5
Chopin : Could be anything, to be honest. Probably from the Positive/ist triad or whatever it's called
Tcaud : 5w6
Jessica129 : I have no idea
Hitta : Five is probable; what wing I don't yet know
Minde : 1w9
Expat : Could be a 1w9 or an 8w9 IMO. I find it hard to see him as a Six
Pheadrus : Could actually be a 6w5. Also 5w6
Implied : 6w5 I have no qualms with
FDG : 7w8
Liveandletlive : Seven, could have either wing
Discojoe : Mystery to me, like his socionics type
Ezra : 8w7, near balanced with 8w9
Rick : Why not Seven?
Wow, you truly are in the shit. A Three with no popularity. Things can turn nasty at this point. Of course, as a Three, you will attempt to restrain your anger; people will laugh at you. It's primarily directed towards people in a condescending way; like you have the air of the upperhand. Threes play oneupmanship. How you argue is a perfect demonstration of a Three.
Why? Because I want you to admire me deep down? I'm really hankering for it?Quote:
UDP : Three - yes, definitely. I was thinking One, but I've been reading about the One, and it seems a bit off. Likewise, he doesn't exhibit the air of a Six. However, Three fits perfectly
Do you ever grasp how moronic you come across?
There is no chance a three would go about displaying changing their type as I did. I was totally in your face, and you are still sucking my dick. Oh yes, I don't want people to laugh at me or think poorly of me. Every night before I go to bed I think about my PR on the forum, particularly with you Ezra. Do you realize how much time I try to make myself come off just the right way to you?
Also, after I pointed out your idiocy and bias, you rearranged your whole userlist thread.You want to talk about someone changing to appease the masses, once again we have our poster boy Ezra. "After talking with expat more, it is clear I'm ESFp". A few minutes later, you're ESTp again. What a load. Why do you even persist to talk about me? You obviously demonstrate a lack of understanding in terms of Te and Ti.
Oh wait - hahaha - :lol:, you got me. This is another one of your joke posts right? Shucks, you get me every time. It is entirely my fault for actually acknowledging your remarks about how you perceive me.
I mean, seriously, folks - do you believe this to be true?
Do people not remember at how pissed off I got at all these (edited out) arguments that people tossed at me after I dropped the LII idea?
You don't seem to realize that when you make this assertion you proved yourself wrong. It's just like that thread, where you called me out on how I was getting along well to betas and INFps, and then a few posts later, you blasted me at how mean I am to betas and openly hate them. You argue whatever you can think of without even caring whether it is factual, or god forbid it is actually logically consistent.Quote:
Of course, as a Three, you will attempt to restrain your anger
Fours aren't conflict-seeking.
LOL you are so funny when you get angry.
Good insight.Quote:
Also, after I pointed out your idiocy and bias, you rearranged your whole userlist thread.You want to talk about someone changing to appease the masses, once again we have our poster boy Ezra. "After talking with expat more, it is clear I'm ESFp". A few minutes later, you're ESTp again. What a load. Why do you even persist to talk about me? You obviously demonstrate a lack of understanding in terms of Te and Ti.
Again, good insight.
:lol: Ezra you softbrains. UDP gets along with ACTUAL Betas, but he bashes them "in theory." That's the difference you were seeing.
And you were right.
And I'm ignoring Jesse because I don't want to hear his shit because my life is going well right now and I don't need it derailed by pointless forum debates
*plugs ears*
HMMMMMMMMMMM
Well it looks like you didn't do a very good job of ignoring the situation George. But that's ok. Your remark are something I will take into consideration.
I'm fine, thank you. But your views on the Enneatypes are completely false, and that is a problem that simply must be corrected.
I'm not sure exactly what your point is. But you must put that theory of yours in the garbage bag and destroy it once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by machintruc
I have already told you what is wrong with your theory and the beliefs of yours that are a result of it. It is completely refuted by reality. The real types are not at all like you want them to be, and that you don't realize that fact is nothing but the result of your ignorance. You haven't studied the types enough, and the little you have studied them you have managed to misunderstand almost completely. So enough of that, will you. Stop believing the nonsense you are now believing and come to your senses.Quote:
Originally Posted by machintruc
It's HILARIOUS seeing machintruc and Phaedrus argue.
You seen Blue Velvet? You remind me of Frank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEHesuSxLmQ
Ones, Threes and Sixes are sarcastic. But not Eights. Unlucky.
Not a single one of your 3's make sense, machintruc.
And Peter's a 6w5.
Then, I'd think they're really E3, because as you're E3, you're a liar.
Then, if you say that not a single of forum members I typed E3 make sense, it actually means that all of them are E3.
lolololol :D:D:D
EDIT: Even when you say you're Eight, you're actually Three. But it's cool, because Threes are cooler than Eights :)
just kidding
But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemies? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I am not a great fool--you would have counted on it--so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
But Iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them as you are not trusted by me so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. And you must have suspected I would've know the powder's origin so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
You've beaten my giant which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must've studied--and in studying you must've learned that man is mortal, so you would've put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
I think I love you...though I'll probably never dine at your house.
Wait a second, you think I'm a social instinct, Mac? Is that true?
UDP : 00+
I don't know this theory yet - so what does that mean you see me as? An E3 with a dominant Social variant?
Sorry, didn't know you knew Expat's internal levels of well-being. Did you get into him using the Magic Schoolbus?
It means you're a Three in his eyes. Threes allegedly have medium levels of serotonin and norepinephrine in the brain, and high levels of dopamine.
They do now. They do because I'm saying they do. Remember, I have no logic. Hence, anything goes because I am god.
Thank you.
Made it just now. Find it here. I've justified nothing; this is merely a sketch. I'll do it properly when I can be bothered sometime.
Fuckshit. I can't be any of these, simply because I have a low dopamine level. You pretty much type like a n00b.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra's stupid userlist
I don't think I'm a two.
Change my self typing.