Re: Empathy and Socionics
Most socionists agree it's due to :Fi:, but I think it's :Fe:.
:Fi: types are NOT empathetic.
Re: Empathy and Socionics
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Originally Posted by machintruc
Most socionists agree it's due to :Fi:, but I think it's :Fe:.
:Fi: types are NOT empathetic.
If you combine this with your view that introverts don't accept people as they are, it sounds like IxFj's would be the biggest a-holes out there.
I would agree with you that there is a sense of empathy that is :Fe:. I mean, how could there be empathy without visual clues and trying to put yourself in their shoes? Granting that this comes from an NF point of view, I would say that empathy in general comes easiest to feeling types, without having to say that they will necessarily make use of that talent. That being said, non-feeling types might very well value empathy and make attempts at cultivating the skill. In any case, categorically denying or asserting things of various types of people just seems the wrong way to go. I would think this would be more obvious the deeper you delved into socionics, that all we have to work with is what is perceptually given to us using the abilities and values we possess, and that these will necessarily inform a skewed view of the world. I'm sure the judgements you pass have their basis in your experience. I'd be doing you a disservice if I didn't, but to divide up people in the sense that these people are simply this way and those people are purely that seems to sell them all out. Maybe you just mean all these statements are generalizations, but, as an outside observer, you appear to state them as self-evident facts. Perhaps I've misunderstood where it is you're coming from and you can enlighten me.
Re: Empathy and Socionics
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Originally Posted by machintruc
Most socionists agree it's due to :Fi:, but I think it's :Fe:.
:Fi: types are NOT empathetic.
That's rubbish.
I think Gamma/Delta will find :Fi: types to be empathetic and Beta/Alpha will find :Fe: types to be empathetic.
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Originally Posted by machintruc
:Fe: types are not agreeable. They are stone-hearted and make others feel guilty all the time. And they speak like tape recorders.
Again, it's a matter of perception. I feel that :Fe: types make ME feel guilty all the time, all that guilt tripping, etc. And they like saying "hi" to any random stranger, and talk to me like they've known me for years even when we just met. That is enough to make me uncomfortable. So can I say that it makes :Fe: types uncomfortable as well? Of course not. :8*
Re: Empathy and Socionics
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Originally Posted by Mea
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Originally Posted by machintruc
Most socionists agree it's due to :Fi:, but I think it's :Fe:.
:Fi: types are NOT empathetic.
That's rubbish.
I think Gamma/Delta will find :Fi: types to be empathetic and Beta/Alpha will find :Fe: types to be empathetic.
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Originally Posted by machintruc
:Fe: types are not agreeable. They are stone-hearted and make others feel guilty all the time. And they speak like tape recorders.
Again, it's a matter of perception. I feel that :Fe: types make ME feel guilty all the time, all that guilt tripping, etc. And they like saying "hi" to any random stranger, and talk to me like they've known me for years even when we just met. That is enough to make me uncomfortable. So can I say that it makes :Fe: types uncomfortable as well? Of course not. :8*
:) Good example of Fe vs Fi. I get annoyed that :Fi: types treat people so cold unless they've known them for years. Like being nice to other people is a privilege only for friends and everyone else gets the cold and indifferent treatment. And :Fi: types make me feel guilty all the time. I have to treat them very nice and friendly after I reach their friend-list. I have friend-obligations. There's no casual chit-chat anymore. When I'm with a :Fi: type close friend and some :Fe: type acquiantance, I have to treat the friend better and I should be moderately cold to the acquaintance. I don't really think about it much, but that's how I immidiately behave and I know what would happen if I didn't. :) Quite the opposite.
Re: Empathy and Socionics
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Originally Posted by Five
I'd like to start a discussion on empathy and Socionics. For example, what functions do you think empathy is associated with?
I would also like to share with you some cases where I've experienced empathy myself. When I was told, by several people, that I was empathetic, I couldn't quite believe it, because it had never occurred to me that I might be empathetic. But, when I watched myself talking with others, I could sense a kind of intuitive 'seeing' into other people, their moods, vibes and so on.
It wasn't a touchy-feely thing, and nor could I do write-ups of the exactly what kind of person you might me. I also noticed that I found it more comfortable to let it be, at the back of my mind, and not try to force it. It just got tiring if I forced myself to use it.
What do you make of all this?
Happy discussions :)
empathy for me is a big deal. ive read descriptions of enfjs before that supposedly we can sort of go into a person and imagine life as they're feeling it and i can relate to that.
i have problems with religion, because i feel that it kind of reroutes empathy to be a vicarious instead of a personal experience.
i have no idea how to describe it but i very much value my intuition and sometimes i'm preoccupied with the abilities of all the types to filter reality as well as experiencing my intuition in relationship to external events.
Re: Empathy and Socionics
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Originally Posted by Mea
I think Gamma/Delta will find :Fi: types to be empathetic and Beta/Alpha will find :Fe: types to be empathetic.
*nods head*