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Originally Posted by ishysquishy
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Originally Posted by ishysquishy
Actually, intelligence is, all other things being equal, the factor which has the greatest influence on income.
Not necessarily.Quote:
Actually, intelligence is, all other things being equal, the factor which has the greatest influence on income.
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Originally Posted by Hugo
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I agree that my statement might be incorrect on an individual comparison basis, but taking aggregates of income and aggregates of intelligence, it is true.
I'm not exactly sure how to reply to this post without becoming angry and rude. Sorry...
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Please be angry and rude if you wish to, no problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Cone
Here it is, I was waiting for a comparison like this. I explicitly said that you should not compare the genius scientist and the richest-man of the world; a better comparison would be one between a phisycian and a secretary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transigent
I agree when you say that the marginal return of the intelligence falls apart in the top 15-10 percentile.
Furthermore, please do not believe that with my posts I am trying to attack people with normal income and genius iq, or vice versa. It's just the reply to the answer - Is there any real benefit in having a high intelligence?
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What if scenarios are not good in statistical analysis. However, generally speaking, organizing things and writing letters is a skill less associated with traits of high iq than the ones of a physician (which is not really equal to studying organs; in dealing with real situation you need a lot of good analytical and cognitive skills to recognize the symptoms and the corresponding illness).Quote:
Originally Posted by NFp-
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It is correct in the frame of reference of solving complex problems. Otherwise, not.
I agree with you, however. I am one of the kids kept at regular pace. I think that this applies to most NTs I know.
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Freedom is being allowed to think and do what you want.
Intelligence is being able to.
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It seems to me that the higher your intellegence the more focused you are in limited areas of study. Social skills and interaction tend to fall away. Cone is a prime example.
Also, the drive for stimulation is in constant high gear. Restlessness and tension occur if constantly stimulation is not present.
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I would say INTp. Just look at Cone and Sycophant. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by ishysquishy
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Shouldn't you be in bed? :lol:
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There is a real benefit, I wouldn't have made it so easy through college if I wouldn't have been blessed with a "little above average IQ"...Quote:
Originally Posted by ishysquishy
However, raw intelligence is nothing if is not properly used... if you want to look for something look for wisdom, it is a way better trait. Look at what the person did with what he received. Did he buried it in the ground or did he multiplied it.
I'm 29, single and alone... my cousin is 23 married and has a child.
I might be smarter and have a bigger paycheck BUT money isn't everything.
She might have more troubles but I believe the benefits outweighs them.
If I would have been wiser maybe I wouldn't have left the first girl I loved (something I lived to regret) and maybe I would have been a father too, maybe I would have felt complete now rather than empty.
Because I'm not a native english speaker :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Transigent
Is it more important to be high intellegent, rich, extremly charming, funny, etc ...or just to be happy the way you are?
the born economistQuote:
Originally Posted by FDG
The latter, but this does not exclude the former.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olga
There's a benefit to having above average intelligence, but beyond that intelligence is fairly useless.
Extreme intelligence has its price. Extremely intelligent people see life as a moment-by-moment struggle for survival. Every move is carefully scrutinized and contemplated. Although they can hope for a better future, their analysis is so thorough as to consign them to the best their conditions allow. They don't attempt to fight their conditions, either. What comes will come, and what does not come does not.
Don't feel inferior to exceptionally intelligent people if you aren't one of them, because in many ways they themselves are inferior to you.
OK, first, I think a LOT of people think that they are either intelligent or even geniuses, pretty much everyone, and far too many for it to be actually true. The problem is self-perception and deception. I'm starting to wonder who really is "intelligent", and who isn't. It doesn't seem like there are really that many truely intelligent people. I would say true intelligence leads people to accomplish important things in their lives. How many people make an IMPACT? Exactly... If you are one of these people, you are very rare, and most definatly famous by now, otherwise, shut up. You're not a genius.
BTW, from what I've seen, it seems like intelligence trancends type. I have meet smart and stuipid people in every type.
And for what it's worth, today an EII girl told me she thought I was more "street smart". :8* Whatever the hell that's suppossed to mean...
*Genius, -es, sub.
-1. As smart/nearly as smart as me, 2nd and 3rd person
-2. Smarter than you, 1st person
*Intellige[nce], -s, sub.
-1. Something I've got
-2. Something you've got if similar to me
*-nt, adj.
-Similar to me, having above trait
*Street smart, adj.
-1. I'm smarter than you, but in some areas that don't really matter you might be better than me, 2nd person
-2. My maths may not be as good as yours, but I've got it where it counts, 1st person
*-s, sub.,
-Having the facility for above.
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Well I know people will differ BUT i think that's stupid. I've seen this behaviour and I've promised myself I would never ever do that to my kids... Insisting that my kid gets an A on some random class means in my view that the kid should eventually bend over and have the professor stick it high up his ass... Just because some looser thinks he can teach doesn't mean that he actually can. Why should my kid suffer from me too?Quote:
Originally Posted by NFp-
I would give him only one rule: Have as much fun as you can without disturbing the others. With a good teacher this would mean learning new things... with a bad one... I don't know... practicing his doodle or some other thing he likes...
Yeah, if I were ever transported to medieval Britain I would use my intelligence to manipulate royalty into giving me a lordship. The rest of you would be forced to settle for squirehood.Quote:
Is there any real benefit in having a high intelligence?
Can I be your sex slave? You know, like in the dungeon with chains and whips and . . . . OMG! (Hope the walls are soundproof.)Quote:
Originally Posted by discojoe
I had the most erotic dream about you today. :oops:
Hey! I'm a beta! It was bound to happen! :wink:
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"Genius is talent provided with ideals. Genius starves while talent wears purple and fine linen. The man of genius of today will in fifty years’ time be in most cases no more than a man of talent."
-- Somerset Maugham (1874–1965)
This is the response you knew you would get when you started this thread, Ishy. :D (WARNING: I'll be stating the obvious throughout much of the post.)
Who, precisely, is an intelligent person? While empiricists have tried to pinhole "intelligence" as an affinity towards higher-level mathematic/verbal thought, I always thought of it as a more holistic cognition. The former has no inherent benefit without the discretion of the latter. Why is that? It is because the former is objective, while human society works subjectively.
In our society, who do we subjectively percieve as an intelligent person? What qualities must an individual display before we think to ourselves, "Now that is a bright person?" Is he eloquent? Lucid verbalization of one's intelligence is an impressive trait. A person who is able to express his ideas well will be perceived as more intelligent than one who cannot do so - even if the less outspoken person is objectively of the same intelligence. How many straight facts is he able to bombard you with in a short amount of time? As much as I hate to say it, book smarts impress people, even though they indicate only the ability to retain facts and not objective intelligence. Is he sensitive to the social mores of his environment? We tend to think of those who know precisely what to do, when to do it, and how to pull it off as more intelligent. This is an indication of social grace, but not objective intelligence.
Maugham's quotation deals with the "genius" (the objectively "intelligent") and the "talented" (he who understands the subjective ramifications of objective "genius"). Who is better of? He who has the objective (raw) intelligence or he who knows how to use it? In this society, it is definitely the latter. There have been a myriad of studies correlating estimated income with things like attractiveness, height, gender, affinity for Geometry v. Algebra, computer training, etc. It's the subjectively intelligent (one who can manipulate these factors) who will often come out on top of those with the objective brains.
That said:
"Genius is its own end."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
As objective intelligence may in fact be objective, it's greatest rewards are subjective. There is a sort of rapture in an epiphany and its aftermath that people like Einstein and Beethoven memorialize in their writings. As Transigent said earlier, these rewards would most likely only be appreciated by the genius himself. (That isn't to say that we lowly normal people don't have our analagous circumstances.)
There is also a dark side of the coin where the aftermath is bitter and ostracizing; we've got plenty of writing on how genius suffers as well. ("Genius is not a generous thing; In return it charges more interest than any amount of royalties can cover" as Jim Carroll writes.) Ironically, it is the suffering with which we are often obsessed with later on. There is something morbidly romantic about the prophetic wisdom of one who was born a few years before his time.
Invalidating the benefit of high intelligence just degrades those with it and implicitly places the "lower"-intelligent people above the "higher"-intelligent people. As was said previously, people with high intelligence are NOT out to look down on everyone else. And often times, having high intelligence is just a natural consequence of these people's lifestyles and capabilities.
Think of their feelings, people, think of their feelings!
No one's invalidating them. In fact, we're sympathizing with them. Those poor highly intelligent souls who have crummy lives and all! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cone
WTF? Wasn't the whole point of people's replies to make everyone feel good about who they are, while knocking the highly-intelligent people down a rung?
Uh... no... in fact, I think a good majority of these posts are from people who think of themselves as the highly intelligent type, among them Ishy, who started the thread. So chill. :lol:
pfft hoo cares how intelligence we r?
although teh best thign abuout being intelligenec is teht u r bett4r them every1 else. liek me 4 exampl3.
lol dum peeple are stupid.
To be in the top 5% of the world does not make you highly intelligent (just above average).Quote:
Once you get up to the top 5% or 1% even, the benifit to having high intellegence has decreasing marginal utility. However, there IS a benifit, and there IS a difference.
People with extreme levels of intellegence have the luxury of being able to be an expert in many fields, and understand many things.
An IQ of 500, as defined by the ratio of mental age over chronological age, is possible to attain as a child...
Statistically speaking, an IQ of 500 on the stanford binet scale corresponds to a standard deviation of well, perhaps 50 or more and this means that you need to score at the top of a few googolplex other test takers (just speculating - but the gaussian distribution curve will no doubt end up with such a brobdingnagen number at a standard deviation of 50!), which is impossible since the earth only has 6.0 billion human beings which yields a maximum of 6.0 billion test takers, which again yields a maximum IQ of around 210 based on the stanford binet scale. Though logically speaking, given the amphibolous nature of the curve, an adult IQ of 210 can correspond to a childhood IQ of 500 or even a thousand even though (I hate this periphrastic circumbendibus!) the expected corresponding value should be around 300 according to a highly reliable and validated study by some notable scientist (check google for more info, I forgot the name).
In layman's term, it is possible to have an IQ of 500, though it is extremely rare.
A stanford binet IQ of 500 will correspond to an extrapolated childhood IQ of a few billion! That's absurd! We therefore use "ratio IQ" for simplicity.. An IQ of 500 really seems impossible to attain for a human being, scientifically and statistically speaking.
My IQ is only 102 and I'm the king and queen of England.
You guys know what? I really hate to say this, but I really pity you all after having read this entire topic - apologies, I lack the mental capacity to not say this. However, I have sufficient mental capacity to not say the rest.
P.S: I hate to tell others what my real IQ is because other people hate it.
Does scoring a perfect SAT score mean that we can logically deduce that the person is at the (150+) zenith (not literally but metaphorically speaking) of Intelligence? I scored a perfect SAT score, but I truly think that it does not correlate to IQ at all... for anyone who prepares for the test enough can score such.... Intelligence does not make me socially inept nor does it mean that they must make some amazing discovery to be considered such.
Yes, of course you can Cone's Mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
... ha, nice. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by discojoe
@ Theodosis: What the fuck are you talking about? I never understand you.
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"I hate this periphrastic circumbendibus!"
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Being above average anything is a very lonely place to be.
Wait.... is that Cone's Mom? No way. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by discojoe
There is no real benefit. If anything it makes for more trouble than good. What was the point of this thread? To start an argument? I don’t feel that this was a very good idea.
I count your presence here a blessing, for with your beauty you have made us forget our petty squabbles, with your charm made us long for naught but the soothing flow of your voice in song, and with your wit you shine a light into the darkness our hearts, so that in our despair we might glimpse some small release in that otherwordly loviliness that dwells in your heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sycophant
Yeah, that's what I was talking about,Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticSonic
"but the gaussian distribution curve will no doubt end up with such a brobdingnagen number at a standard deviation of 50!"
.. and he's only 16? :shock: Where do you find the time do research all this stuff?
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Being above average anything is a very lonely place to be.
IQ is no longer that important to me anymore. What's important in how to let humanity realize its ultimate purpose in the universe. I'm so darn fed-up about the complete lack of intellectual stimulation in my life! How good it would be if I'm surrounded by a throng of profoundly gifted individuals with the same agenda and goals - the best thing I can talk to right now is the monitor right in front of me. Guess I will be confined to the eternal damnation of being besieged by a wall of isolation. The chances of meeting someone like myself in this world is simply inconsequential to bring up. It would be excellent and supercalifragilisticexpiadous if everybody in the world had IQs of 160s or more. Apart from communicating verbally like most myrmecoids and helminths within the catachthonian surface of the confraternity of stupefied sentient beings on this planet (of course, I'm refering to normal human beings), can easily anticipate the thought processes of each other without even uttering a word, like sagacious savants that have attained the highest form of wisdom and intellect. Both of us have minds(myself and a friend) which are so homologous that we seem to have one unified mind - so unified that we can share the very same esprit de l'escalier after being driven ad nauseam by the same puzzling conundrums of life. Our way of communion seems to be telepathic on the surface and it seems like we are facsimiles of each other - or do the both of us share the form of sentience?Quote:
What the fuck are you talking about? I never understand you.
Arachnoids and other forms of insects only seem to know what they are doing when they in fact do not know what they are doing.
The minions of the declassé within the mammalian kingdom can only know what they are doing.
The average human being knows that he can know without questioning whether or not he knows that he knows. Sages know that they know,know if others know if they know or do not know that they know themselves, or know if others know that the Sage himself knows that he himself knows or not knows, or otherwise.
I am not limited by the reality you may see... I have the ability to control time and thus enabling me to memorize every book in existence. :lol:Quote:
Where do you find the time do research all this stuff?
You're a fucking crack head.Quote:
Originally Posted by discojoe
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I love you ishy
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OK.. thanks, THAT sure explained it well. :8* I need more than a dictionary to read your posts. I think you're the only on here who makes me want to wack my head against the monitor, or study for my chemistry test...Quote:
Originally Posted by theodosis
Congratulations! You've fallen for the same misunderstandings as I have in the past. But from your original post, you sounded like you were bashing high intelligence and those who have it. Next time, don't forget to add some extra qualifiers to show just what side you are really on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ishysquishy
Let's stop here with the insults and forget about what I had said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishy
High intelligence won't get you popularity and the like. That's not what it's used for.
Right. And by humanity you mean Yourself, and who else.Quote:
Originally Posted by theodosis
How big a chunk are you hoping to move in one go. Have you heard of Jehovah's witnesses? They want to do the same.
Self-realisation. And then putting your skills to good use, to make a difference in the world.Quote:
fed-up about the complete lack of intellectual stimulation in my life! How good it would be if I'm surrounded by a throng of profoundly gifted individuals with the same agenda and goals - the best thing I can talk to
So you've alienated all your friends whilst you prepare for life.Quote:
right now is the monitor right in front of me. Guess I will be confined to the
That you yourself created.Quote:
eternal damnation of being besieged by a wall of isolation. The chances of
You're scared of going forth. Maybe you'll be rejected.Quote:
meeting someone like myself in this world is simply inconsequential to bring up. It would be excellent and supercalifragilisticexpiadous if
Well, at least you have your IQ, so you can that as an excuse.Quote:
everybody in the world had IQs of 160s or more. Apart from
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communicating verbally like most myrmecoids and helminths within the catachthonian surface of the confraternity of stupefied sentient beings on this planet (of course, I'm refering to normal human beings), can easily
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Blah blah big words, intellectual pretentiousness, and a holier than thou attitude.
Have you heard of schizophrenia?Quote:
anticipate the thought processes of each other without even uttering a word, like sagacious savants that have attained the highest form of wisdom and intellect. Both of us have minds(myself and a friend) which
Well, you may as well just move on. Quick quick, we're all going on without you! Time is slipping away.Quote:
are so homologous that we seem to have one unified mind - so unified that we can share the very same esprit de l'escalier after being driven ad nauseam by the same puzzling conundrums of life. Our way of communion
You have one friend, who can you speak with big words, and mock everyone else. Do you cuddle each other late at night, when no-one can see?Quote:
seems to be telepathic on the surface and it seems like we are facsimiles of each other - or do the both of us share the form of sentience?
You're scared of realising that there's no point to doing what you're doing, so you close your eyes.Quote:
Arachnoids and other forms of insects only seem to know what they are doing when they in fact do not know what they are doing.
So?Quote:
The minions of the declassé within the mammalian kingdom can only know what they are doing.
Huh? Reexplain.Quote:
The average human being knows that he can know without questioning whether or not he knows that he knows. Sages know that they know,know
What's so important about knowing?Quote:
if others know if they know or do not know that they know themselves, or know if others know that the Sage himself knows that he himself knows or not knows, or otherwise.
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ok, this guy is just a ******.Quote:
Originally Posted by theodosis
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Originally Posted by Cone
Mines, not really.
ps. hey, I like theo's lexicon, what's the bashing for
Intellectual stimulation comes from applied intellect. Why don't you start something? Some project that would allow you to use that intelect you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by theodosis
I'm by no stretch of imagination genius BUT I do know a little more than some and I do know I'm smarter then a lot of my peers (they keep telling me that) I feel that I could do more and I do plan to start a crazy project in January. I'm alone but at least I know I don't necessarily need a group.
http://www.sigmacore.net/?p=6
Being the anal INTp that I am I thought I might fix this post.
IQ is no longer that important to me anymore. What's important in how to let humanity realize its ultimate purpose in the universe. I'm so darn fed-up about the complete lack of intellectual stimulation in my life! How good it would be if I'm surrounded by a throng of profoundly gifted individuals with the same agenda and goals - the best thing I can talk to right now is the monitor right in front of me. Guess I will be confined to the eternal damnation of being besieged by a wall of isolation. The chances of meeting someone like myself in this world is simply inconsequential to bring up. It would be excellent and supercalifragilisticexpialidocious (ah, spelling) if everybody in the world had IQs of 160s or more. Apart from communicating verbally like most *myrmecodias (spelling again darling, careful) and helminths within the catachthonian surface of the confraternity of stupefied sentient beings on this planet (of course, I'm referring (Spelling dear) to normal human beings), can easily anticipate the thought processes of each other without even uttering a word, like s**sagacious savants that have attained the highest form of wisdom and intellect. Both of us have minds(myself and a friend) which are so homologous that we seem to have one unified mind - so unified that we can share the very same ***esprit de l'escalier after being driven ad nauseam by the same puzzling conundrums of life. Our way of communion seems to be telepathic on the surface and it seems like we are facsimiles of each other - or do the both of us share the form of sentience?
Arachnoids and other forms of insects only seem to know what they are doing when they in fact do not know what they are doing.
The minions of the déclassé (perhaps? Not very fitting) within the mammalian kingdom can only know what they are doing.
The average human being knows that he can know without questioning whether or not he knows that he knows. Sages know that they know,know if others know if they know or do not know that they know themselves, or know if others know that the Sage himself knows that he himself knows or not knows, or otherwise.
*Underground ants and parasites in Christian cults.… or did you mean chthonian? I don’t know that confuses me. I mean I didn’t know ants could talk.
**I should think one would be rather dull of wit to be a servant, but whatever.
***Forgive me if I am wrong but does that not mean steps?
Well, I hate to say it. But the post makes little to no sense. Looks like a display of INTp arrogance, congratulations, welcome to the club.
Ooh, Theodosis is showing off :) !
The post of his Sycophant quoted says, if I understand it correctly, that he is feeling lonely and that he wants to have more people like him. And that he has one friend who is. He also seems to think that "intelligent" means "able to communicate without communication", and that several of the "lower" animals seem to be able to.
Failed to convince me. If you could restate that post in 4 words, I'd be impressed.
-Me, who is not above average intelligence, but slightly to the north and left of it
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...weird thread. :o Pretty strong feelings on all sides. A bit surreal at times. Not sure everybody was really talking about the same thing. Having a high IQ is not the same thing as being smart, being widely read, being a nerd, knowing a lot of difficult words or being an intellectual snob.
And is intelligence really just a matter of lifestyle and practise? I thought it was inherent and...No, stop, forget I asked. Can't even imagine what THAT discussion would mutate into. :shock: It might make someone innocently wonder whether intelligence could be related to particular functions. *shudder*
Is Theodosis really 16? That would explain a lot.
dude i thought you were working on completing your own language. isnt that stimulating?Quote:
Originally Posted by theodosis
overachievers....
I guess I could throw in my experience of this. Perhaps someone finds it worth the read. Firstly, a person with an IQ of 60 is defined as retarded if I am not wrong. A person with this little intelligence will be hard pressed to find a job that is suitable. In fact, I do not think that you can truly be a secretary with an IQ of 60. The jobs that is suitable for a retard is essentially of the "move these stones and put them there" variety. The idea of a person like this managing to get through medical school (or infact any form of education on a university)is laughable. Of course, you do not have to be a genius, but I would not allow anyone with an IQ below 115 to even think of attending medical school or studying higher levels of math, physics or chemistry on a decent university, because frankly, you do not belong there. Even then, you will have to prepared work your ass off. Other educations on university might be more managable. This can be illustrated by the fact that it is not uncommon that engineering students have to work 12 hours+ a day, particularily in math, and still a lot of them fail the exams. My class mates in medical school probably do not have to put in that much time , but this might be because we do not have any bad students, and everyone is, if not highly intelligent, at least very motivated. This can be compared with some educations where people only have to study 20 hours a week including lectures, and with mediocre students...Quote:
Originally Posted by Transigent
To adress your point of why I believe that the education is relevant, as this point is the thing that prevents a 60IQ person from becoming a doctor. Firstly, at least in Sweden, a farily large amount of the doctors will be involved in research. To get a more qualifying work on a hospital that is linked to a university, it is essentially required to get a phD , and then spend part of the time in research of some sort. To be able to do this, you need a thourough education in medicine. You must also be able to handle more unexpected situations, and to solve these, you need to have more knowledge than the bare minimum required to perform the aspects of the job that you see on TV. Even if you do not remember everything from your education, it is often necessary to have heard of a very extensive amount of material, as you can then react in a completely different way. Instead of having no idea of what to do, you have a vague understanding of what you just encountered, and know where to look if you have to refresh your understanding. Not to mention that you can put it in a greater context, as what you just encountered can be fitted in a context just because you know a lot more than what is being asked of you. Lastly, it is also a part of the job to read about, and understand, the results of future research. This is connected to the point I made above, as you need a farily extensive base of knowledge to be able to truly understand it.
This took a bit more time than expected, so I guess I will have to save my reply to the original subject of this thread until the next time I am hit by an overwhelming urge to procrastinate.
Theo, verbosity and eloquence are two different things.
"Firstly, a person with an IQ of 60 is defined as retarded if I am not wrong."
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Sir, do the concepts in this article apply to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdallr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egolessness
I realized the other day that narcissism/megalomania (a side effect of crossed E and I) were akin to maintained exhaultation of the ego. The object is confused with the subject, and vice-versa. After some thought, I considered the possibility that a cross of sensation with intuition would emphasize the superego over the ego and the id. Ditto for the id and thinking crossed with feeling. After some brief consideration of Freud's work, I came upon the concept of Egolessness, described in the article above. I believe Egolessness is side effect of judgment crossed with perception, the trait of genius.
I hadn't noticed it before, but yes I see it now. I'm even feeling that reactionary quality that wells up in me when I interact with a person of your type. You are not an INTJ, Heimdallr. You are an INTx.
I'd like to see a portrait of you, because I'm quite certain you bear a curious resemblance to Einstein.
...LOL, I even called you "sir". Yep, definitely INTx. It's as if just reading your text took me to a supernatural plane where you're a guru of sorts...? The same effect as reading Einstein's work. The constancy of perspective is just baffling....
smart people are boring.
I think smart people are easily bored. I am never bored. :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I don't think they are very happy in general. Not the ones I know anyway.
Sorry for misinterpreting you. It's just that people all too often use the "hiding from your own insecurities" clause to counter and completely dissolve your obloquies (new word I just learned today!) As if only insecure and unhappy people criticize and argue...Quote:
Originally Posted by ishysquishy
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The saying "Ignorance is a bliss" certainly contains some truth. A less intelligent person will not be less likely to discern the troubles in the world. The very same person will also be unable to end up in an existensial depression, as that requires a certain level of intelligence and that you read the wrong litterature... Not to mention that our society do not exactly reward intelligence above the level that makes you a skilled worker. I once stumbled across an interesting article on this on the net.
http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/optimum_intelligence.htm
The idea of that the income becomes higher as the IQ increase is a blatant lie, or more accurately, a half truth. This is true, but only up to a certain level. I think I saw a number on this once. If I am not wrong, the income in fact began to drop as soon as you began to approach genius levels (The limit is betwen about 148 and 160 depending on whose criteria you use). The Jung quote on the bottom is brilliant.
However, this is in many ways an unneeded discussion. An intelligent person can not find happiness in any other way than by being intelligent and using it. The only way to become happy is to be who you are. Why should I care if the majority of humanity can find happiness in being a nothing more than a consumer of entertainment and junk food? I can't, and I can't change the way my mind works with anything less than lobotomy. As that does not sound particualirly appealing, the only way to move on is to accept who you are. There is nothing worse than worrying about things that you can not change.
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Yes and no. I see myself, and all other humans, as parts of the whole, that is entire universe. Our minds are separated, I can't know what another person is thinking or see this persons perspective of reality, or to precise, this persons intepretation of reality, but we are all part of the same world and subject to its laws. That does not mean that we can easily do away with the border between the mind and the world. I know that I can't do this. I might sometimes experience a feeling of it while listening to certain types of music at night, or when taking a walk at night when it's pitch dark and the cold wind is blowing in my face though. I am a vehement opponent of solipsism, which states that the the world is a part and creation of my mind. I believe in the complete opposite, partly of the same reasons that make me dislike the modern idea of "individualism", that is the bizarre urge for the modern man to have an "image" and a "unique" "identity".
I can not but help to believe that your post was ironic though... There are also some holes in the reasoning that makes it hard to follow if it is in fact serious. Lately I have actually considered if I should post a photo though ;)
The more intelligent you are, the less likely you are to be a chick-magnet and so on ...
Yea, unless its finals week and your in their group, and the projects are due. You'll be the fucking man.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmcnew
Edited for gayness.
I can't be with anyone who isn't intelligent.
you know what, i only skimmed the post the first time, and i just read the whole thing. I am actually touched because you display the loneliness that is not uncommon to many. whatever differences exist between yourself and others (this being a greatly simplified statement not meaning to imply a dichotomy) may cause frustration and anger but it would not really be pertinent or sensible to direct the anger toward anyone else, if not because we have no agency of what we are given at birth, then because the potential of humanity would be lessened by the redirection of your efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by msk
I would like to know what you mean by "What's important in how to let humanity realize its ultimate purpose in the universe." :)
I will keep that in mind when responding.Quote:
OK.. thanks, THAT sure explained it well. Rolling Eyes I need more than a dictionary to read your posts. I think you're the only on here who makes me want to wack my head against the monitor, or study for my chemistry test...
IN simple temrs: "General and omnified utility."Quote:
I would like to know what you mean by "What's important in how to let humanity realize its ultimate purpose in the universe."
It is not challenging for me.Quote:
dude i thought you were working on completing your own language. isnt that stimulating?
A portion of it is BS.Quote:
Well, I hate to say it. But the post makes little to no sense.
I never claimed to being a good speller, ostensibly I am a horrible speller(and English is not my first language).
I shall try to expatiate understanding of my views, das heißt, by simplifying my vocabulary.
The fundamental question posed here is whether exemplary Intelligence is beneficiary to the race of oikofugic dunces (not referring to everyone just the people that have a below average IQ say 80-90?) that inhabit the earth. This question is prone to an answer that leads itself to internal inaccuracies, because the answer would tend to be merely an opinion. In layman's terms: It depends on what you find important. Sure this is a simplified approach to the matter but it is very useful. For do the vast majority of humans really want to understand the universe in a completely fundamental way? Most of the aptitudes that come with high intelligence (150 +) are not things that the "normal" person would care about. I can not say that ones ability to create beautiful music is not any less "genius" then say Einstein's works.
The one thing that I can think of as being beneficiary is that one with exemplary intelligence has the ability to comprehend much more, and understand the most esoteric things in this world. I am no longer certain whether higher thinking abilities are gifts as much as they are curses.
For all I know, the ant I see on my computer table before me could be more...how should I say..."efficient in living" than I. I say "efficient in living", because "more intelligent", "more coherent" and the likes, do not make sense.
Sorry, but are you kidding? This is a forum. Ultimately, the aim of all postings here is to communicate something. What exactly do you wish to communicate? That you know a lot of difficult words? And what is your issue with normal language? An overuse of difficult words and esoteric expressions is the distinguishing mark of the pseudoscientist, the quack and the intellectual peacock; and by talking like them you risk being taken for one of them. Personally, I give you the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
I shall not compromise my views by using duckspeak...
"To have petulance"?! And don't get me started on "sb. tends to have a petulance of some sort in believing something". Do you mean that since most people are irritable anyway they end up believing certain things? It's not even clear whether you mean that "most people" do or don't believe in whatever you're getting at in the next few words. Which seems to be more or less this:Quote:
Most people tend to have this ... petulance of some sort in believing that...
...which means what?Quote:
...that data explaining how knowledge of a subject could be obtained occurs at the same time as a variety of objects to which a single general word (such as dog) applies, but which have nothing in common but the name.
If you are indeed an overachiever, then you deserve our commiseration; a lack of intellectual stimulation can be painful. Many of my friends have been there. It can make people defensive. Such a view as yours is excusable in someone very, very, VERY young. In case you're under 25, skip the following paragraph.Quote:
and their failure to process data holistically truely amazes me ad misericordiam (compassion and hence sympathy for their stupidity that is)
Oh GET off your plinth. So you get to decide whether other people are stupid or not?
So you mean this: When people deal with logical paradoxes, they talk at great length about untruthfulness? That would amaze me too, I admit.Quote:
... Even more amazing is the mendacity that people expatiate on when dealing with logical paradoxes.
Which problems? You haven't made this clear.Quote:
What human beings need right now is a language that can circumvent such problems.
And then you promise to simplify your vocabulary, only to go on and use the words "oikofugic". Now you cannot tell me that this was an accident. Where on earth did you dig that word up? Oikofugic? Hello? This is NOT normal language. And again you talk of humanity in general as "dunces"... so again, if you're over 25, read the paragraph I told you to skip if you're younger than that.
I liked the last paragraph. Clear, logical, poignant.
Aha! Got it! You've probably read this: http://bubl.ac.uk/org/tacit/tac/tac43/uselesse.htm.
But your sentence makes even less sense now. "Oikofugic dunces"? So you think that mankind is a race of idiots given to obsessive wanderings? I take it then that you hate travelling?
and once again a conglomeration of souls try to abolish raison d'être
*sigh*
The word "conglomeration" doesn't make you sound smart, Pedro. "Congregation" would have been a better choice.
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Aha! Got it! You've probably read this: http://bubl.ac.uk/org/tacit/tac/tac43/uselesse.htm.
But your sentence makes even less sense now. "Oikofugic dunces"? So you think that mankind is a race of idiots given to obsessive wanderings? I take it then that you hate travelling?
You would likely consider what I think to be my NORMAL vocabulary as not normal language... I do not see any problems with the use of oikofugic, and no I have never read that website. When I said "oikofugic dunces" I meant the lower potion of society, drunks (not to infer that drunks are idiots but just act like such), et cetera.Quote:
And then you promise to simplify your vocabulary, only to go on and use the words "oikofugic". Now you cannot tell me that this was an accident. Where on earth did you dig that word up? Oikofugic? Hello? This is NOT normal language. And again you talk of humanity in general as "dunces"... so again, if you're over 25, read the paragraph I told you to skip if you're younger than that.
Only after having to revise it a number of times.Quote:
I liked the last paragraph. Clear, logical, poignant.
I just looked at that site and thought it was quite humourous.:lol:Quote:
But I make no apology. There are still people setting off into the hills who cannot utter a single word of more than seven syllables. This, despite the now well-established fact that one or two big words, uttered quietly and rhythmically, can abolish fatigue, rewarm the extremities, and raise the blood sugar by an amount equivalent to 300g of Kendal Mint Cake. Not to mention the effect on the knees. Why, only last week I encountered a Young Person, sheltering in an isolated bothy, who was close to collapse as a result of simple lack of vocabulary. Had I not been at hand to teach her the meaning of 'meupareunia', heaven alone knows what might have become of her.
Crepuscule is not an uncommon word. I use words as a means to describe something better, not to display some pretentious egotism that I have.Quote:
'crepuscular'