Supersocion Theory explained
I'd say that before these theories can be appreciated by the 'masses', we'd need some simplified descriptions of some of the concepts we are discussing with it. A good start would be:
- there are two types in every person instead of one; a master personality (also called metabolism type) and a slave personality (also called exertion type). Any two master and slave types can combine to form a whole personality. One can, for example, have a personality that combines the world-view of two conflicting types, such as the INTj and ESFp.
- the master/metabolism type largely determines how a person lives their life, whereas the slave/exertion type determines how the person sees the world on an elementary level, and how the person acts in a concrete way. An master type INTj with a slave type ENFp, for example, primarily focusses on those things in reality that involve attractions between people and the intangible properties of those people that warrant those attractions, but sees it as his/her task in life to organize this world with analyses.
- master/slave type combinations are usually denoted in the following way: [master type]-[slave type]. An example would be INTj-ENFp, where INTj is the master type and ENFp is the slave type.
- relations exist between types on both the master and the slave level. For example, two persons can be duals on the master level and conflictors on the slave level at the same time. Such people would understand eachothers' motives, but not eachothers' concrete actions.
- in addition to two types, people's personalities are defined by an Information Domain that the person belongs to. This domain determines what kind of political views the person holds, and how the person makes decisions on the correctness of choices apart from simply perceiving the world in a certain way.
Information domains can be read about here: http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t..._domain_theory
Particularly the schematic at the bottom of the page will be of interest.
- the information domains are 4 in number, namely Universalism, Adaptationism, Traditionalism and Specialism. Every domain conflicts with one of the other three domains, and is only half capable of constructively cooperating with the remaining two. Individuals from the same domain cooperate with no difficulties at all, regardless of any awkwardness that may exist on the level of the master and slave type. (tcaudilllg and myself are both Universalists, to give an example)
- the persons in each information domain are in turn sub-divided into Field-orients and Object-orients. The former are concerned with global, collective ideals and goals, whereas the latter are concerned with specific, personal ideals and goals. Each of these subdivisions has a unique name. See the schematic in the Psychic Domain Theory wiki page for this. (link above)
Advanced hypotheses: (I don't fully understand these myself and reserve oppinion on how accurate theory on these is)
- there exist certain individuals with unique properties that give them specialized roles in society.
- the first is the Opinion Leader, a person who communicates with people outside of his/her Information Domain to see where there is a common ground that allows cooperation where none was otherwise possible.
- the second is the Rescendent, a person who fits the common definition of a "psychopath". Theory says that these people have the roles of their conscious and unconscious functions reversed.
- the third is the Immanent, a person who, instead of seeking the minimal amount of reconciliation with opposition that an ordinary person exhibits, tries to surpress opposing influences to the extreme.
- Further, people that reach certain stages in life, unlock features of their personality that had laid dormant before. These stages are: age 22-23, adulthood, age 35-40, the midlife crisis, age 50-60 seniority, and as a final stage of life, the acceptance of death. Each of these stages (except debatably of course, the last) gives the person access to a function of psyche that was previously inaccessible, allowing them to see beyond there own viewpoint and letting them cooperate with those who are different from them in new ways.
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- Further, people that reach certain stages in life, unlock features of their personality that had laid dormant before. These stages are: age 22-23, adulthood, age 35-40, the midlife crisis, age 50-60 seniority, and as a final stage of life, the acceptance of death. Each of these stages (except debatably of course, the last) gives the person access to a function of psyche that was previously inaccessible, allowing them to see beyond there own viewpoint and letting them cooperate with those who are different from them in new ways.
''During the Roman Empire, Romans had a approximate life expectancy of 22 to 25 years. In 1900, the world life expectancy was approximately 30 years and in 1985 it was about 62 years, just two years short of today's life expectancy.''
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- Further, people that reach certain stages in life, unlock features of their personality that had laid dormant before. These stages are: age 22-23, adulthood, age 35-40, the midlife crisis, age 50-60 seniority, and as a final stage of life, the acceptance of death. Each of these stages (except debatably of course, the last) gives the person access to a function of psyche that was previously inaccessible, allowing them to see beyond there own viewpoint and letting them cooperate with those who are different from them in new ways.
''During the Roman Empire, Romans had a approximate life expectancy of 22 to 25 years. In 1900, the world life expectancy was approximately 30 years and in 1985 it was about 62 years, just two years short of today's life expectancy.''
Those are average estimates. Two points:
1) Intuition seems capable of recognizing a dangerous situation when it sees one, and can respond to threats to the degree the psyche will allow it to. However, some things -- plague, starvation, nuclear annihilation... things that one has no control over whatever one's state of mind/non-human related factors -- beat intuition. If anything, these events "short-circuit" a person's development before their time. (not sure what that means in terms of the bigger psychic picture.)
2) The actual figures may have been somewhat higher than those estimates. Indeed, median life expectancies are debated: although useful as an indicator of severe social problems, they may not be the best way to examine historical situations otherwise. So to say, they are a warning flag -- signs of an -Ni future that never materializes because people take initiative to stop it from happening.
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interesting. but even though could be explained with classical socionics and biological brain disfunctions, still at least Looks like it Could have merit.
And what are these "disfunctions" you propose?
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''During the Roman Empire, Romans had a approximate life expectancy of 22 to 25 years. In 1900, the world life expectancy was approximately 30 years and in 1985 it was about 62 years, just two years short of today's life expectancy.''
Those are averages, brought down by the fact that many children died before 5.
In the Roman Empire - and already in the Roman Republic - the minimum legal age to be elected consul (the highest executive office) was 42. Since two consuls were elected every year, and only men of the senatorial class (ie wealthy men) were elegible, surely they weren't expecting that most men wouldn't even reach that age - were they?
Narrowing down to one single family - the early imperial family - as an anecdotal example, we have the following as to how long some individuals lived:
- Augustus, first emperor: 76 years
- Livia, his wife: 86 years
- Tiberius, her son (and his stepson): 77 years (and he may have been murdered).
So the idea that "Romans had a approximate life expectancy of 22 to 25 years" - and that that would somehow invalidate considerations of psychological development - is, just, silly.
Tips for those who want to start using Supersocion T.
- begin by realizing that your relations with people are influenced by factors other than the socionics type (= master type unders SST) the effect of which is at least as large, if not much larger than that of the socionics type. See the "forms of conflict unders Supersocion Theory" for hints as to what these factors are.
- notice that every type characteristic described in socionics exists in four graduations: Double Existance of the attribute, Complete Absence of the attribute, and two directions in which one attribute can 'overlook' it's antithesis. For example, there are Double Intuitors (people that are theoretical to the point of complete impracticability), Double Sensors (men and women of action; people that don't engage in any intuitive reflection whatsoever), Intuitors overlooking Sensation (people that reflect on a world of practical happenings) and Sensors overlooking Intuition (people that have intuitive abilities but use them towards practical ends).
- notice that certain environments favor certain attributes, thus leading to a higher distribution of that attribute. Institutes of high learning, like universities, for example, have a significantly larger distribution of Double Intuitors. Mixed sensor/intuitors will still be widespread in such environments, but Double Sensors will be in the minority.
- begin analysing the differences between the various identicals of yours that you meet. In particular, notice that they have different ways of explaining their views, different ideas, that they notice different things and that they appreciate different activities. What you have in common with your identicals has nothing to do with how you view the world: only with how you live in it, and how you organize the worlds' contents.
Supersocion Theory - new insights on the recendent, immanent
After a lot of consideration and analysis, I've come to a couple tentative conclusions regarding two matters of supersocion theory.
- On the question of rescendence in terms of functional revise, the deciding element of a function (-Ti for INTj base function, for example) is exchanged with the auxiliary/advisor element of its contrary (+Ti id in this example). However, in the case of rescendency, the signs are reversed. Therefore +Ti is in the lead, backed up by -Te. When the rescendent function in active, -Ti takes over the ego and +Ti moves to the id in the function order. With -Te still in place as the ego's control function's advisor, this gives the outward appearance of a transcendent thinking process. By such means a rescendent individual can appear very appealing and open to people of his own psychic domain, even offering a clarity of focus where others of their type would waver. Such a person can thus appear heroic in their own private circle, especially to those who do not know them well. By offering solutions which the socially adjusted person would never consider, they may seem to offer something too good to be true. Of course the inevitable answer is that it is indeed just that, as the great fundraising/investment/scientific research/pyramid schemes and, most nefariously of all, the world's totalitarian states remind us. The reason, in fact, that they offer these pseudo-solutions is because their non-recendent functions remain unchanged. -Ne can indeed work with -Ti, however strange that may sound. The invocation of the rescendent function, however, will set the non-rescendent functions into turmoil, literally diving them against themselves on the basis. This turmoil is invariably projected into the external world, in which signs of the conflict may be observed. For just as the socially adjusted world frowns on the perverse antics of the sociopath, so do the urges to think in manners that are well adjusted to reality take their vengence on those who attempt to lead thought away from it. (In the case of the INTj, -Ne's focus on a handful of negative possibilities, filled with visions of "wonderful disharmony", are appalling to +Ne's openness and idealism.)
- On the question of immanence, there appear to be two distinct approaches held by the immanent with regard to their internal conflicts, each with its own coherent and mutually exclusive reasoning. The first is to simply go to war with the enemy reality aspect; this is that from which war in general arises, when not systemetized to the same degree as WWI. (although the war did allow a socially sanctioned outlet for these tendencies.) The battle will inevitably end with the demise of the warrior, however that occurs. (the antagonistic aspect will always play a role in it.) This approach may or may not be a self-fulfilling prophesy, depending on the situation. People who die young of rare diseases, such as MSD or leukemia, have had their battles forced on them: they fight to live against a threat which they themselves had no part in. (it is plausible, though unproven, that terminal genetic defects may partially manifest themselves in brain chemistry, or at least may correlate to an internal disposition.) Some simply see the war in themselves as a part of reality, and project their war into the world around them on basis of conflicting values. These are the world's extremist behavioral element. Such a person is plagued not by a disease of the body, but of the mind. In the end, it is no less detrimental because they can never overcome the reality before them. Instead of accepting transcendence and realizing fault within themselves, these people choose instead to forsake the advice of their advisor elements, choosing rather to indulge themselves in their own ideosyncracies by accepting the counsel of their socially malignant tendencies. The result is an internal cataclysm, and if this person has any power at all by which to project it there will be a general ideological schizm and clash, the like of which history offers many examples. The clash will remain until its purveyor determines it impossible to win, or even lost outright.
The second approach to managing immanent conflicts is to recognize the part of oneself which one cannot integrate as superior, and even take its advice. This is a Joan-of-Arc type person, a messiah who comes in the name of the subconsious without really understanding what it is that is pushing them onward. Their personality has split in twain: at times they are meek and submissive, and at others extremely driven, as though they are filled with a kind of purpose that transcends the normal. This person has extreme distate for that which would seem to interfere with their subconsciously-inspired mission. If socially adjusted, they will be out to exert "divine justice" on the "unclean" rescendent. If they are themselves rescendently oriented, then it is goodness itself which must go. (this is incarnate evil type who is not only evil, but indeed, loves being so.) I am unable at this time to make concrete conclusions as to what is going on in terms of functional revise with these individuals. One possibility is that all of the non-active transcendent functions activate at once near the end of their lives (MLK Jr.'s visit to "the mountain" and seeing "the glory of the Lord" the night he was shot may be a case in point), but at this time I simply cannot affirm whether or not this is the case.