Re: IM elements & quadras
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Originally Posted by liveandletlive
In one of the threads in general discussion we were talking about methods to figure out your type and I brought up reading about the different IM elements. Some people said that this method can be more confusing than helpful to newcomers, and I understand that, but to you guys who know the theory, when you read about your type and your quadra's IM elements (in the ego and id blocks of model a, obviously) do you feel like they make sense to you or that those are how you deal with information and decisions? The only reason I ask this is because I feel this way with my IM elements, but because us gammas are known as the "pragmatists" it could just be that those IM elements make sense in a counterintuitive, common sense kinda way. What do you guys think? It would be good to know if this helps to identify type for future tests, interviews, etc. for determing others' types.
No, the pragmatists are the STs. There are no Gamma "pragmatists."
Re: IM elements & quadras
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Originally Posted by Logos
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Originally Posted by liveandletlive
In one of the threads in general discussion we were talking about methods to figure out your type and I brought up reading about the different IM elements. Some people said that this method can be more confusing than helpful to newcomers, and I understand that, but to you guys who know the theory, when you read about your type and your quadra's IM elements (in the ego and id blocks of model a, obviously) do you feel like they make sense to you or that those are how you deal with information and decisions? The only reason I ask this is because I feel this way with my IM elements, but because us gammas are known as the "pragmatists" it could just be that those IM elements make sense in a counterintuitive, common sense kinda way. What do you guys think? It would be good to know if this helps to identify type for future tests, interviews, etc. for determing others' types.
No, the pragmatists are the STs. There are no Gamma "pragmatists."
First of all, umm NO http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Gamma_Quadra.
Second of all, you should be aware that there are no universally agreed upon references to types, quadras, whatever in socionics, so yeah... open your mind up a little- or are you one of your self-called pragmatists?
Third of all, thanks for answering the real point of this post :D
Re: IM elements & quadras
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Originally Posted by liveandletlive
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Originally Posted by Logos
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Originally Posted by liveandletlive
In one of the threads in general discussion we were talking about methods to figure out your type and I brought up reading about the different IM elements. Some people said that this method can be more confusing than helpful to newcomers, and I understand that, but to you guys who know the theory, when you read about your type and your quadra's IM elements (in the ego and id blocks of model a, obviously) do you feel like they make sense to you or that those are how you deal with information and decisions? The only reason I ask this is because I feel this way with my IM elements, but because us gammas are known as the "pragmatists" it could just be that those IM elements make sense in a counterintuitive, common sense kinda way. What do you guys think? It would be good to know if this helps to identify type for future tests, interviews, etc. for determing others' types.
No, the pragmatists are the STs. There are no Gamma "pragmatists."
First of all, umm NO
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Gamma_Quadra.
No where on the Gamma Quadra page are the pragmatism or pragmatists on the page except as a separate link for Pragmatists Club at the bottom of the page.
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...of_pragmatists
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Second of all, you should be aware that there are no universally agreed upon references to types, quadras, whatever in socionics, so yeah... open your mind up a little- or are you one of your self-called pragmatists?
Third of all, thanks for answering the real point of this post :D
What on earth are you talking about? Nothing of what you said made a lick of sense.
Re: IM elements & quadras
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Originally Posted by Logos
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Originally Posted by liveandletlive
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Originally Posted by Logos
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Originally Posted by liveandletlive
In one of the threads in general discussion we were talking about methods to figure out your type and I brought up reading about the different IM elements. Some people said that this method can be more confusing than helpful to newcomers, and I understand that, but to you guys who know the theory, when you read about your type and your quadra's IM elements (in the ego and id blocks of model a, obviously) do you feel like they make sense to you or that those are how you deal with information and decisions? The only reason I ask this is because I feel this way with my IM elements, but because us gammas are known as the "pragmatists" it could just be that those IM elements make sense in a counterintuitive, common sense kinda way. What do you guys think? It would be good to know if this helps to identify type for future tests, interviews, etc. for determing others' types.
No, the pragmatists are the STs. There are no Gamma "pragmatists."
First of all, umm NO
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Gamma_Quadra.
No where on the Gamma Quadra page are the pragmatism or pragmatists on the page except as a separate link for Pragmatists Club at the bottom of the page.
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...of_pragmatists
This may be true, but I have read about gammas being known as the pragmatists- don't care enough to look for it
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Second of all, you should be aware that there are no universally agreed upon references to types, quadras, whatever in socionics, so yeah... open your mind up a little- or are you one of your self-called pragmatists?
Third of all, thanks for answering the real point of this post :D
What on earth are you talking about? Nothing of what you said made a lick of sense.
OK- so all the socionists in the world don't all sit down and agree on certain names to refer to/call concepts in socionics. For instance, for me, I've been called "the politician," or "the amabassador", or "the performer" and I'm sure there are several other names to refer to my type out there that I haven't even seen. This is also what happened with the whole gamma-naming issue. Thus, please do not dwell on such minute details such as what a concept is called in socionics because the end justifys the means.
Re: IM elements & quadras
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Originally Posted by liveandletlive
do you feel like they make sense to you or that those are how you deal with information and decisions?
Absolutely. Descriptions mean jack shit when you understand where your actions are coming from.
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The only reason I ask this is because I feel this way with my IM elements, but because us gammas are known as the "pragmatists" it could just be that those IM elements make sense in a counterintuitive, common sense kinda way.
That's a stupid label. Pragmatists is the name of the club of STs. Also, ILIs are hardly pragmatic people. No, Gammas are a mix of Researchers and Socials.
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What do you guys think? It would be good to know if this helps to identify type for future tests, interviews, etc. for determing others' types.
IM elements are the best way of determining types. I don't know the difference between IM elements and functions really, except that functions come in twos, and IM elements are just explanations of each function e.g. a person is a composition of two functions, not two IM elements. I don't know why.
Re: IM elements & quadras
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Originally Posted by Ezra
IM elements are the best way of determining types. I don't know the difference between IM elements and functions really, except that functions come in twos, and IM elements are just explanations of each function e.g. a person is a composition of two functions, not two IM elements. I don't know why.
Information Elements are parts of reality. (e.g. Se, Ni etc)
Functions are the names of the positions of the Information Elements in model A. (e.g. leading function, creative function etc.)
Re: IM elements & quadras
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Originally Posted by Jarno
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Originally Posted by Ezra
IM elements are the best way of determining types. I don't know the difference between IM elements and functions really, except that functions come in twos, and IM elements are just explanations of each function e.g. a person is a composition of two functions, not two IM elements. I don't know why.
Information Elements are parts of reality. (e.g. Se, Ni etc)
Functions are the names of the positions of the Information Elements in model A. (e.g. leading function, creative function etc.)
Cheers for clearing that up mate.