Re: Socionics and psychology
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Originally Posted by drd252
If someone is diagnosed as bipolar, borderline, or psychotic, wouldn't that totally invalidate any possible socionics typing of them? How could socionics account for said psychological disorders? I mean, socionics is based upon how one receives and processes information about the world, and said disorders totally alter how one receives and processes information, so much so, that socionics would no longer be applicable to such individuals.
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And if the presence of a psychological disorder does not invalidate socionics typing, then wouldn't there actually be: P+1 (number of recognized psychological disorders + "normal" psychological type) x 16 (socionics types) = 16P types? For example if P=3, then there would be 64 socionics types, like INFj and INFj BPD.
From an IEE standpoint at least, all people are essentially healthy at the core, and their personality and character is an integrated whole. The only people I've ever met who I felt were truly unlike normal people were some recovering schizophrenic drug users at a mental hospital I volunteered at. They were so much like vegetables that I could not see their personality and motivational structure.
Most socionists would agree that many personality disorders are type accentuations, which would almost make people easier to type. Even bipolar people really are pretty much normal and easily typeable.
Re: Socionics and psychology
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Originally Posted by Rick
Most socionists would agree that many personality disorders are type accentuations, which would almost make people easier to type.
Can you give a few examples? What types are seen as accentuations of what disorders then, according to the majority of socionists -- or according to your personal opinion?
Re: Socionics and psychology
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus
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Originally Posted by Rick
Most socionists would agree that many personality disorders are type accentuations, which would almost make people easier to type.
Can you give a few examples? What types are seen as accentuations of what disorders then, according to the majority of socionists -- or according to your personal opinion?
(From http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...dern_Socionist): Most socionists disagree that "Mentally ill people don't have types, but only "shards" of types," and about half agree that "Type determines a propensity towards certain mental illnesses".
I have seen a few socionic studies correlating various accentuations with types, but I was not too interested in the topic to pay close attention. I think that type is not too related to degenerative disorders (sorry, I don't know the terminology perfectly) such as schizophrenia. It is possible that the personality accentuations socionists have written about are not really psychological disorders according to modern psychiatry. I don't think "hysteria," for example, is in any modern books on psychopathology. Basically, medical psychiatry and socionics take completely different approaches to abnormal behavior -- one looking at physiological causes in the brain, the other -- disruptions in the functioning of different psychic functions.