Re: Fishing for confirmation
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Originally Posted by snegledmaca
Like, if an authority says the same things you want to be true you have justification for action/belief. Prior to that you have uncertainty, self doubt.
I'd say it's Ti in super-id, perhaps even Se + Ti in super-id.
Which is why, for instance, Phaedrus is so keen to have some "socionists of authority" who supposedly share the views that he wants to be true. It's exactly that phenomenon.
Actually yours was a very good and concise description.
Re: Fishing for confirmation
Well, not so much an authority, that was more of an example, more like an excuse to take a course of action. So that later on you can avoid responsibility for failure. "Damn it, why did I listen to so and so! That is the cause of my mistakes! It's all their fault (And I still remain untainted).". Do you think it's still linked to Ti and Se?
EDIT: Like in the cartoons when somebody say it's a bad idea and the other responds so you think I should do it? Then I shall! completely ignoring the other person. You know, just seeking an excuse. It doesn't even have to be really valid.
Re: Fishing for confirmation
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Originally Posted by snegledmaca
What is fishing for confirmation? Like, you hold something to be true but you want to hear it from someone else in order to give your self the justification to believe in it? Like, if an authority says the same things you want to be true you have justification for action/belief. Prior to that you have uncertainty, self doubt. Is this linked to socionics or is it just human? I'm thinking that if it is linked it's linked to super id or super ego.
I think it has to do with function 5, actually. (maybe for INTjs, at least?) For example, I can hold my own intellectually on most things, but when it comes to a car engine I say let the mechanic handle it.
Re: Fishing for confirmation
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Originally Posted by snegledmaca
Well, not so much an authority, that was more of an example, more like an excuse to take a course of action. So that later on you can avoid responsibility for failure. "Damn it, why did I listen to so and so! That is the cause of my mistakes! It's all their fault (And I still remain untainted).". Do you think it's still linked to Ti and Se?
I had never thought of that before. I would say, yes, even if indirectly. Because expecting to follow the course of action given by someone else is linked to Ti in super-id imo, but the "avoiding responsibility" bit, if an inner need (and not just for "spin" purposes), seems to suggest a desire to be under the control of others, rather than being in charge yourself.
Re: Fishing for confirmation
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Originally Posted by Expat
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Originally Posted by snegledmaca
Well, not so much an authority, that was more of an example, more like an excuse to take a course of action. So that later on you can avoid responsibility for failure. "Damn it, why did I listen to so and so! That is the cause of my mistakes! It's all their fault (And I still remain untainted).". Do you think it's still linked to Ti and Se?
I had never thought of that before. I would say, yes, even if indirectly. Because expecting to follow the course of action given by someone else is linked to Ti in super-id imo, but the "avoiding responsibility" bit, if an inner need (and not just for "spin" purposes), seems to suggest a desire to be under the control of others, rather than being in charge yourself.
No, not follow others course of action or listen/adhere to their opinion/stance, merely try to get them to confirm what you already decided/know. Most likely ignore their stance if it contradicts this preformed decision. Just looking for confirmation.
Re: Fishing for confirmation
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Originally Posted by Expat
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Originally Posted by snegledmaca
Like, if an authority says the same things you want to be true you have justification for action/belief. Prior to that you have uncertainty, self doubt.
I'd say it's Ti in super-id, perhaps even Se + Ti in super-id.
Which is why, for instance, Phaedrus is so keen to have some "socionists of authority" who supposedly share the views that he wants to be true. It's exactly that phenomenon.
Actually yours was a very good and concise description.
I'd say it's just insecurity, maybe with some Se seeking. Where do you see Ti?