Problems with Se description
The most abstract description of Se is "external statics of objects". This has no connection with force, will, mobilization, energy form what I can see. What is more baffling is that it is a static function.
"External statics of objects" is only to do with appearance and shape of an object. :?
It seems that the modern description of Se cannot find its routes in "external statics of objects".
What describes modern Se is something dynamic rather than static.
Re: Problems with Se description
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Originally Posted by Elzo
The most abstract description of Se is "external statics of objects". This has no connection with force, will, mobilization, energy form what I can see. What is more baffling is that it is a static function.
"External statics of objects" is only to do with appearance and shape of an object. :?
It seems that the modern description of Se cannot find its routes in "external statics of objects".
What describes modern Se is something dynamic rather than static.
First of all, that's not an issue with the definition of Se, but with that model of "definitions" of IM element. These aren't really primary definitions, but rather more like coordinates for each IM element. They're useful to the extent that they refer to various dichotomies one can draw. But the absolute worst thing you can do is read into the English names and ignore the mathematical patterns they're referring to.
"External" simply means S & T. It's an arbitrary grouping for convenience.
"Statics" means Ep or Ij.
"Objects" means extraverted.
If you're trying for a descriptive reason for why Se should be "Statics," it's because it perceives an ongoing reality outside oneself, as opposed to a changing reality representing one's subjective and momentary reactions to sensations. But I wouldn't take the word itself too far.
Re: Problems with Se description
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Originally Posted by Elzo
The most abstract description of Se is "external statics of objects". This has no connection with force, will, mobilization, energy form what I can see. What is more baffling is that it is a static function.
"External statics of objects" is only to do with appearance and shape of an object. :?
It seems that the modern description of Se cannot find its routes in "external statics of objects".
What describes modern Se is something dynamic rather than static.
Think about it. It's an object. You can do anything you want to with it because that is all it is...an object. You can move it, push it, pull it, turn it on, turn it off, destroy it, improve it, whatever. People can be considered objects as well. You can move them, push them, pull them, turn them on, turn them off, destroy them, improve them, whatever. They may protest, but they have the ability to push back, to pull back, to avoid destruction, even to seek their own destruction.
I believe that this is where the examples of "force, will, mobilization, energy" come from. As a direct result of viewing these objects and/or people as objects that can be manipulated at will. Yes the objects can resist. But their resistance doesn't necessarily alter the viewpoint of being seen as an object.
I've written in this forum a few months ago about my first week on wellbutrin. It was amazing. It put me into total Se mode. (Still with the Fi, though) My view of my environment was completely changed for that one week. I was surrounded by things calling out to me to play with them. It didn't matter if it was a car, a tree, or a person walking down the street. They were there, they existed, and thus they were subject to my will if I chose to attempt to impose it. There's obviously consequences for various actions/attempts, but that's the same as the consequences of slamming your fist into a metal wall....the metal will resist, bend a little maybe....and the fist will hurt like hell eventually. Treating people as objects results in similar consequences, they may resist....they may even bend a little. Future consequences don't matter in that state. Much like a kid poking at an ant's nest with a stick is focused on the moment, on the ants, on the stick, and virtually oblivious to the possible consequences. That mode encouraged experimentation. To check the object's limits. To check if it could be molded to the way I wanted it.
Heheheh, but it only lasted a week. But that one week was very insightful to me regarding Se.
(and no, i didn't hurt anybody during the week, and it was all too new to actually utilize, particularly since I didn't come with years of learning in that mode)