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I'm like 99% sure that Angelina is ENTj but what is Brad Pitt? Any other ideas about Angelina?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcDFFj9JlNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9THRw14Sk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvBkKdpQ1i8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbqjGFL0sU
I can see now SLI and LIE, I've seen very good relations develop between the two types.
That's definitely my guess right now.... Jolie being the SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Personally I think ISTp/ESTp but I could see ISTp/ENTj. Yeah I do think they could have a contrary relationship.
i don't know why but i thought angelina was ENTj and brad was ISFp- i didn't get a big T vibe from him... he seemed a little slow and smiley
Jolie has been typed ISTp as long as I remember. Only other type I have seen really is INFp. About Pitt...I have seen types from ENTj to ESTp to ENFp to ISTp and probably more. I have no strong personal opinion as I only know them from movies and VI but imho Jolie seems the introvert and Brad the extrovert. Jolie also seems at least decent with Si. Hard to say anything for sure based on so little evidence.
ENTjs often have full lips and a characteristic salesman like smile. Their bone structures normally give them their square shape figures. Their faces too are often square in shape and the facial structure itself often has many small details. Their eyes are constantly darting about rarely remaining on one object for any period of time. ENTjs typically tend to have a bouncing gait. The more hyperactive they are the more noticeable this becomes.
This is sooo Angelina. C'mon someone try to fight me!
VI = not at all foolproof
Despite the fact that Jolie has been cited as a 4w3?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suomea
Why is that good? They're Supervision partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
haha i don't listen to what anyone thinks and seeing as VI is somewhat subjective it's going to be very hard for me to be able to just accept it unless its painstakingly obviously. I'll try to look for what you guys said again but I just keep seeing LIE
You're right - VI is useless when it's used on its own. But with countless interviews and descriptions of celebrities, it's very easy to see types. No one should claim that Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt is not a certain type just because they don't 'look' like that type, nor should one claim that they are a certain type because they look as if they could be.
Brad Pitt is too out there to be an S of any sort.
Because practice is better than the theory; basically, I've seen good relationships (friends) between that specific supervision pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
everytime i look at the v.i. sketch on socionics.org for SLI the angelina jolie resemblance is really striking.
http://www.socionics.org/type/istp.gif
that kills me.
but i suppose ENTj has a similarish look.
http://www.socionics.org/type/entj.gif
i think ashton once called this the "leaky Fi eyes" look, hah.
Interesting sketches. How accurate have you found these in the past?Quote:
Originally Posted by implied
I heavily advise against using these as any kind of typing method.
Personally, I'm extremely sceptical about VI, even with a description. It does help to identify in some ways what one is e.g. if someone is smiling on all their photos in a varied way, they're hardly going to be an ILI, but as a method in itself, it is practically useless.
But it can be useful in detecting contradictory typings so as to ensure consistent methodology/results. That's why I play with it -- among other reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
I agree 100%. I think VI can maybe get people a rough general idea of some things, but more in the way a person chooses to present himself/herself than chin size or nose or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
Okay honestly ... where are you all getting the idea that Angelina is in any way an SLI? No way.
She is an out and out Beta type, clear from the interviews I've watched of her, good use of Fe. She is most likely an IEI.
Brad Pitt is most likely an ILE and they have an Illusionary relationship.
I always found it hard to see him as an LIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
For the first time in my dwelling here, I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
God damnit it's annoying logging into this site. It takes like fucking 5 tries sometimes.
Anyhow, I think VI is as pretty accurate, or at least as accurate as it's gonna get. Because just think...people kinda act how they look, right? You can just kinda tell what their personality is not by their looks per se, but their 'disposition' more or less. Yeah I agree you can't tell how a person sounds just by looking them, or lots of other things, but if somebody has a rough, inherently confident demeanor you wouldn't say they were INFp or anything. It's not 100% foolproof no, but like....people do have certain auras if you will, that have their unique essence and nothing else. Your general hunches about a person are usually right, that's why we tend not to like or enjoy most people, since they don't surprise us and they pretty much read like a book (a boring one, at that) and do nothing for us.
Or maybe I'm speaking from a biased view of my own type. Whatever.
IMO, EIE for him and IEI for her.
erm, it isn't entirely useless. i actually quite enjoy the sketches and they do seem pretty accurate in my experiences, but it would probably be better to find some more accurate, reliable v.i. pictures before we all go praising v.i. as the only method. what i would heavily advise against is limiting yourself to only one method at the exclusion of other methods which could prove to be just as accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
haha yeah i almost threw up when i saw some of those sketches because i see people i dont like in them
lol, which ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington
You "heavily advise?" :lol: You're still probably the least experienced regular contributer to this board. What are you going to "advise" us based on? Your superior knowledge of professional cricket?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra
Yes alright. Fuck off now you condescending piece of shit.
Action -> Reaction
Well done. This is what I call a slap-in-the-face of an analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
I just wanted to mention that Angelina Jolie does not have :Si: PoLR and EJ temperament. No fucking way. ESTp is possible.
I hate celebrity type threads. I hate typing celebrities. I hate typing fictionaly characters. Which is all the are to us. We have no clues to their inner-world, all we have are their public statements which are designed to form images. Not to mention, Jolie is a master at media manipulation.
Don't be dumbasses.
good point. i just wish there was a better way to use VI that is common with everyone which is why celebrities theoretically should be great to use VI for on a forum such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khamelion
if VI works, i would agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by liveandletlive
i don't really put any stock into VI =\
They seem duals.
ESI-Se for Angelina and LIE-Ni for Brad Pitt.
Brad is very spaced out... Ni. Easy-going, Positivist.
Angelina is in the moment, tenacious look = sensor, more likely Se. Negativist, depressive.
Jennifer Aniston seems IEE. Brad and her were Benefit relationship, which is very common. Obviously he left her (Childish) for an (Agressive) partner = Angelina.
Angelina is a cool version of EII; Pitt is probably LIE-Te (or LSE)
Haha, another example of people forcing celeb couples into duality. And if Brad Pitt is not :Fe: creative, I dunno who is. Not extroverted and not logical, at the least. I feel like the latter doesn't even need an explanation but I guess introverted subtype whatever could justify to some peeps of his social introversion. Enneagram-wise, so/sx 7w6, a good example of social 7 actually (maybe the 7 is why some think extrovert or :Ne: base) and Angelina is sx 5w4 (although commonly, like many sx 5s especially with a 4 wing, typed as a four) and ESI fits her well. A real sx 5 ESI too, @Agni. ;) No wonder you think she's cool.
Angelina : SLI sx/sp
Brad is her dual
Angelina - Si-ISFp 4w5 sx/sp
Brad - Ne-ENTp 8w7 sp-last - which would make them the typical enneagram types 4-8 couple.
The SLI composite comparisons to Angelina in older discussion seemed very to the point - she is Si base in any case.
Edit: wow, Brad Pitt's marriage to Jennifer Aniston (IEI) does sound like it was "mirage" relations - link:
"I spent the '90s trying to hide out, trying to duck the full celebrity cacophony. I started to get sick of myself sitting on a couch, holding a joint, hiding out. It started feeling pathetic," Pit tells the magazine. "It became very clear to me that I was intent on trying to find a movie about an interesting life, but I wasn't living an interesting life myself."
Pitt said his marriage to the "Friends" star, whom he wed in 2000, was part of the problem. "I think that my marriage had something to do with it," he said. "Trying to pretend the marriage was something that it wasn't."
I remember this same interest eroding thing going on in my relationship with my "mirage" ex, and it was also one of the main reasons we broke up after being together for a long time.
Honestly, I believe Angelina is actually a Counterphobic 6 with a strong 4 in her tritype.
ESI-Se 6w7 Sx/So, (648) - Truth Teller
While I believe Brad Pitt is
ESI 9w8 So/Sp (936) - The Mediator
They are actually Identicals, but because their Enneagram is so different they seem to be opposites.
At the end of the day, both bond over their shared interest in Social causes, and their ethical values they bring forward when engaging in those causes.
Just because they are the "It-couple" of Hollywood does not mean they must be Duals...
I know my typing is not too popular, though I'd still like to get it out there. ^^'
I just watched an interview of Angelina Jolie, and she absolutely does not seem like a LIE to me. Maybe she is ESI, maybe not, IDK, but she does not do microexpressions like either of the female LIE's I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by SisOfNight
Both of the female LIE's seem kind of thoughtful and preoccupied. When they see you, they might smile brightly and act friendly but will basically be asking you what you want, because their time is precious and you are taking it up.
Brad Pitt: ESE so/sx
Angelina: SLI
Brad: Alpha irrational
Ang: SLI sx/sp
Brad: IEE sp/sx
:)
Angelina is definitely a sensor, maybe ESI.
Brad pitt some ST.
I always wonder how SLE and LIE look alike and are mistaken for one another too often. I think I look much more like an SLE from outside rather than an EIE which is my look-alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington
Pictures, please. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kye
You know, there are not many pictures of LIE females around.
Personally, I have never confused SLE's with LIE's, male or female. I can see where there are similarities, but LIE's are essentially thoughtful and reserved (even when really extroverted) and SLE's are forceful and immediate.
EIE's seem socially concerned and/or adept, but their focus seems scattered to me, as if they can't concentrate on the practical here and now, somehow.
My ears are probably normal, more or less, but my chin does look like yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kye
The female LIE's I know have longish hair (shoulder length) and good bodies, not overweight. The clothes they wear are more functional than decorative. I think the older one wears makeup, but I really didn't notice. Maybe yes, maybe no. She is quite attractive just as she is, in a tough, no nonsense kind of way. You can tell she's smart as hell and she has a twinkle in her eyes. At least, when she is not dealing with problem people, she does. She actually looks a lot like the woman in this video. Same face, same hair, same bone structure, far fewer regrets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN5s9N_pTUs
Angelina is actually ISFpQuote:
Originally Posted by liveandletlive
Angelina Jolie is a 3w4 sx/sp. I thought at first she's unusually flat and 'polished' for being sx first, but 3s are like that, so it makes sense with her history.
I don't understand the 468 typings, she is not reactive at all. :shrug: You guys that type her that, should meet me. :8* 468 are made to react to dangers and foresee threats. I do not see that with her. If an emergency broke out she would just say in a monotone voice "uh, what do we do?". She probably has a 9 fix.
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468s can have trouble identifying what is a true emergency and what just feels like an emergency. If their internal alarm bells go off, the 468s are in fight or flight. Once their emotions are triggered their adrenaline is running in hyper-drive and needs to be discharged. So it is extremely difficult for the 468 Tritype to slow down and delay reacting.
Yeah, that is sx and/or mental illnesses. Not reactivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
Stoping of using drugs, treatment, other close people, getting other philosophy knowledge, etc could change her behavior. I'm sure she did not kill dogs in the last 5 years, except neighbours' ones - but they were just too loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
She passively killed her dog. She didnt feed it.
Since when do SLI come off cold and calculated?
SLI & ILE are my guesses. If either is a feeler, its Pitt.
She's not Fe imo. Either SLI (most likely) or ESI - something cold. Pitt I'm not sure either - some EP (not SLE). They both seem much different now than in earlier interviews.
It boggles my mind how Angelina Jolie, Justin Bieber and @lemontrees are all supposed to be SEI :confused2:?
brad is so lost without her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYWBQIWjHtI
interesting answer @4 minutes of the interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-XjoLVakXE
Angelina see
Socionics identicals are not personality identicals. If you're expecting them to be similar due to having the same socionics type, you're thinking of sociotypes in the wrong way.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Besides, I got the impression that SEI is the most misunderstood and misconstrued type on this forum, with too few wanting to consider or discuss it.
Angelina Jolie...IEI-Fe
Brad Pitt...IEE-Fi
The are in a relationship of extinguishment and married? :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Brangelina... "america's strongest marriage."
Seeing Angelina typed LIE and SEI makes me feel pretty discouraged about socionics, not going to lie...
Anyway, count me in for SEI for Angelina.
Brad, no idea. But he seems like a likable guy. Probably one of my favorite actors. Maybe that means something socionically...
Angelina: ESTp
Brad: ISFj
I guess they are getting divorced : / Hope not they are so sweet.
Brad Pitt: SEE
Angelina Jolie: IEI
I love how the typings are all over the place for these people
brad: ESE
angelina: LII
jennifer aniston: ILE
jennifer's current husband: ESE
actress brad supposedly cheated with (i dunno), marion cotillard: LII
she's in a relationship with guillaume canet who's ESE
... socionics sudoku
They are all SEE Brad Angelina and Jennifer
What makes you think SEE for Angelina?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
This looks like it could be my husband and me (i.e. it looks like us from the back). Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim
NAPOLEONKA - dazzling, notable, energetic, very specific woman with a deep sense of self-respect. The form of face is more frequent rounded, although there are as always exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebody
She holds herself confidently and speaks somewhat ironically. She loves to joke, laughs in a friendly manner while speaking, which producers the impression that she feels herself familiar everywhere. Her tone of voice is frequently low, with a bit of a coarseness.
Her clothing, however modest she is, always fits her well and looks completely appropriate. She knows how to dress fitting to the situation. For informal situations, she can select sufficiently catchy, even extravagant look.
Brad SLI 3w? sp/so
Angelina SEI 3w4 sx/sp
At 26, he showed a lot of awkwardness with a tinge of aloof smugness, probably covering a little insecurity. If I didn't know him I'd say SLI, or even a private IEE. Although I've met ILE who have that haughtiness about them as well. Still, SLI. The "don't pry at me" type.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoFst-OD0ks
Wow, yeah... I can see SLI. We would probably conflict. Hard. He said stuff about not caring what others thought at all, was not forthcoming about any personal life information.. had very little emotional expression. He was also very uncomfortable talking about direct future goals. He kept being asked his opinion on where the show should go, what he wants... His answers centre around not knowing, not being there yet (devaluing Ni?)Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Yes, I was seeing similar observations. You summed it up really well. Although there was lots of expression on his part, but all of it seemed to "sneak out" in a way that reveals his true sentiments, which seemed to be devalued Fe? Unless he was trying to seem uncomfortable. I found myself asking why the chip on the shoulder?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
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Originally Posted by lungs
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Originally Posted by Starfall
I thought it has always been the case that all typings for all people here where all over the place?
#confused
Brad Pitt - ILE
Angelina Jolie - SLI
Thread needs to be split.
Agree on SLI for Angie
Brad.. maybe IEE, or ILE. I can't see him as an introvert
I don't know there's a kind of stillness and poise with SLIs that I don't see in BradQuote:
Originally Posted by wacey
also duals have the same values so both IEE and SLI wouldn't like to be pried at, but IEEs would be slightly more tactful about it, SLIs might just walk out of the room. Or perhaps anticipate the questions beforehand and have a ready answer. I think he's IEE.
Love is dead.
Brad is ILE
Angelina is LSE
They're Benefit relation, which in Socionics is described as: "They can't live without each other, but neither can live with each other."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbvNddEhTr0
This video is clear. She is direct, expressive, intense, but at the same time distant and cold. ESTj. Maybe Sensory subtype. Skinny as a lot of LSEs. I know one woman LSE extremely similar to her, I think she is Si sub, gusty and emotional (strong Fe Role).
Brad is clearly intuitive, but at the same time is flexible, strong, assertive (Se Role), and cold (Logical). He is not LIE cause he is too relaxed, not only in demeanor, gaze, but also in body movements. Probably ENTp Intuitive subtype.
So... We have a woman of Si subtype, and a man of Ne subtype. This makes for intense relationships, but I guess in the long-term it didn't work very well.
Angelina Jolie - LIE
Brad Pitt - ESI
Duality at its finest, really
Brad Pitt: SLI-Te
Angelina: LIE-Te
Supervision. Explains why it ended like it did.
Brad pitt used to be LIE on consensus. Guess it's open again?
Angelina - sx/sp
Brad - sp/so
now thats why it went to shit
Not necessarily. These stackings can get along quite well since they're synflow. If the SX person doesn't target the blindspot of SP/SO too much, it can be very stable because both are strong in self-pres. SP/SO provides healthy but unobtrusive social energy, and they're good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
We don't actually know why they parted, using instincts only is not complex and accurate enough :lol:
Ange: hot and crazy, probably ESI
Angie ESI 6w7
Brad could be ...many things.
Was there more that she said? Logical in what way, I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santafall
Not unpopular with me, I sincerely think there is a big chance he's LIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santafall
In former days LIE was also the common typing for him, but times have changed I guess...
Brad is my identical -> IEE (My sister makes jokes about I being LIE myself, which is bizarre)
Jolie is probably LIE
They're far from being duals
ps: and Jennifer Aniston is clearly a sensor (just look at how she touches her body (and things))
I could see Angelina as Gamma - it's like she has that Gamma sassiness that wants to naturally improve Betas to stop being teenagers and do something more sophisticated and Te like she is doing? Idk lol but that is the vibe she gives off to me. Her being either benefactor or supervisor to IEIs makes a lot of sense to me.
Brad Pitt is really boring to me, so boring that it's weird and awkward- so I think I like him as Delta as there is nothing he ever did that got my attention either way so I think he's just normal Delta str8 man like or something. Opposing quadras are often just so different you don't pay attention or want to pay attention to what the other quadra is doing anyway.
