I like a good 2x2 dichotomy. Could you define "conjunct"/"disjunct"? (Also unpack a bit why Delta&Beta is perpendicular to society while Alpha&Gamma is parallel).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
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I like a good 2x2 dichotomy. Could you define "conjunct"/"disjunct"? (Also unpack a bit why Delta&Beta is perpendicular to society while Alpha&Gamma is parallel).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
I find this few-years-old discussion about smilingeyes' theories on quadra values very interesting. It makes a lot of sense to me and I am wondering what type smilingeyes is, who does not seem to post here now?
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I really like his explaining of this. I found this in another of his older posts, an insightful comment concernign mirrors. Because my INFj friend does seek advice from me from time to time. And I always respect that she takes a completely different approach to things than I do which is why I don't offer advice unless she asks Well, when I can help it!:biggrin: ).:
...The second opinion.
Your mirror is the second opinion. You are the expert on your personal life, making your own observations and choices. If you ever waver and want to ask for advice from anyone, it should never be someone from another quadra, and neither should it be your dual or activity partner, because they don't give advice, they give support. If you just want an ego boost, ask an identical, because they will likely echo your opinion. But if you want to really make sure, that you're right, ask a mirror. If it happens that they are of the same opinion, you're likely both correct, because they arrive to the same conclusion despite a completely different point of view. But make sure it's a mirror with no conflicting personal interests on your issue.
I really like their posts too. I've gone through some of the stuff they've written and I'm pretty sure they self-type as LSE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
Conjuct as in joined together. I picture it as a graph. The horizontal axis is society, the baseline and standard for conduct and direction. Peer pressure incarnate. Conjuct crosses or rides along with the wave of society, that horizontal axis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClownsandEntropy
Disjunct does not cross that x axis. Being Judicious puts them at odds with the rat race, and those with the passion to change the system.
Interesting - that's how I had interpreted "parallel/perpendicular" i.e. parallel means "going along with the changes in in society, peer pressure, the direction things are hading" and perpendicular means "going against that". But your saying that's actually conjunct and disjunct respectively?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
No. I want to change society. Pretty sure I want to fit in, but I also want to change society. That is probably only true for me though, and not the others necessarily. I pick Gamma, because it is where I fit in.
I'm sure others also want to change the world. Question is whether they do or not.
I see Gammas are less suit-ish and stern than people make them out to be. It might be stacking-related. Most of the ENTj's I've seen seem chummy and dorky.
I almost see rigid bureaucratic/formal attitudes as aristocratic.
Exactly. See the photo of Lincoln standing up straight? That's what I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by suedehead
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Today, I got up a 7:00 in the morning. Why? Because why the heck not?
That is wrong though. I see it as though we follow the rules of society. It is weird, because then again, we make the rules. It ends up we are a very counter culture group.
Well shit. You said seem, and so my mind read maybe yes maybe no. Stop trying to confuse me! :P
No. Abraham Lincoln was quite strict, I'd say.
Wow, an actual gamma. Well, I'm irrational. To give you an example, I believe in "humanity".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedri...C3.9Cbermensch
So. To explain my views on things, yes. I started out insane. Now I'm sane. Hopefully, I'll achieve the budda state of bhodavista. Can't achieve Budda, for it is a state of beingWow, an actual gamma. Well, I'm irrational. To give you an example, I believe in "humanity".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedri...C3.9Cbermensch
So. To explain my views on things, yes. I started out insane. Now I'm sane. Hopefully, I'll achieve the budda state of bhodavista. Can't achieve budda, for it is a state of being rational. For this, I am sad. But I have my own role to play in things. See my own insanity?
Now I'm at the point where I don't care if the universe needs to halt for me. The truth will come out, and justice will be served.
everyone in those days stood straight and most business men/politicians would seem strict. i dont think this has much to do with sociotype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alomoes
i loved you for just a split secondQuote:
Originally Posted by Alomoes
agreed but impersonally we're formalQuote:
Originally Posted by suedehead