Static/Dynamic + Club Test
Here is a test I put together for fun. The MBTI part is a bit speculative (you might need to adjust your definitions of the MBTT CPs slightly to make them consistent with the corresponding Socionics IM elements -- no guarantee the result will coincide with actual MBTI types, just theoretical ones).
It uses double-checking for each question, so you can change your answer if it doesn't sound right in the second form. I am looking for information about a) how hard it is to take, and b) how reliable the results are/seem to be. It would be helpful to know what you think your type already is and how strongly you agree/disagree with the results you get. Also let me know if you have suggestions for the wording of the questions.
[This post will be edited to fit suggestions as they come.]
Which do you tend to make quickly, taking immediate data into account?
a) decisive statements regarding how your surroundings should be
b) observant statements regarding what your surroundings are like
Which do you tend to make carefully, taking past memories into account?
a) observations about how things tend to interact
b) decisions about how things ought to interact
Which do you consider a central focus more than simply a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus
Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central
Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements
Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements
a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P
c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P
e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF
static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted
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Originally Posted by Luke
a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P
Warning: I had this wrong in the original version of the test. As of now I have changed the order to a=dynamic, b=static. With this accounted for, FDG's initial score (if we want to take it at all seriously) would have been ISFj. However I have also changed the wording since then (particularly the Clubs questions), so fresh evaluation is needed on that front as well.
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bold is mine.
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Originally Posted by Luke
Here is a test I put together for fun. The MBTI part is a bit speculative (you might need to adjust your definitions of the MBTT CPs slightly to make them consistent with the corresponding Socionics IM elements -- no guarantee this will coincide with actual MBTI types, just theoretical ones).
It uses double-checking for each question, so you can change your answer if it doesn't sound right in the second form. I am wondering a) how hard it is to take, and b) how reliable the results are/seem to be. Let me know if you have suggestions for the wordings, etc. (Will edit this later to fit suggestions as they come.)
Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions about things
b) observe the properties of things
Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the properties of things
b) make decisions about things
Which do you consider a central focus more than a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus
Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central
Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements
Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements
a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P
c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P
e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF
static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted
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Originally Posted by Luke
Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions about things
b) observe the properties of things
Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the properties of things
b) make decisions about things
Which do you consider a central focus more than a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus
Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central
Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements
Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements
a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P
c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P
e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF
static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted
Pegs me as an ESTP.
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Originally Posted by Luke
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Originally Posted by Luke
a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P
Warning: I had this wrong in the original version of the test. As of now I have changed the order to a=dynamic, b=static.
I haven't seen the original version of the test, but if you had it the other way around in the first place, it seems as though you should have sticked to your original ordering. An LII should chose options a and c, an ILI should chose b and d.
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Originally Posted by Carla
No way. An LII should choose b (and c and f).
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Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions about things
b) observe the properties of things
Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the properties of things
b) make decisions about things
etc.
Then please explain why you think that. We agree on option f being NT, and we agree on option c for LIIs. Perhaps we interpret the first question differently, or maybe it is too vague. It would be a strange thing for an ILI to chose option a, since ILIs are generally more hesitant than LIIs in making decisions. But maybe something else is meant here. And what exactly is meant by "observing the properties of things" in this context?
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus
Then please explain why you think that. We agree on option f being NT, and we agree on option c for LIIs. Perhaps we interpret the first question differently, or maybe it is too vague. It would be a strange thing for an ILI to chose option a, since ILIs are generally more hesitant than LIIs in making decisions. But maybe something else is meant here. And what exactly is meant by "observing the properties of things" in this context?
I have this theory that introverted functions take larger chunks of time to use (or perhaps more repeated uses) to come to a final result than extroverted ones. LII may be more emphatic (and stubborn maybe) than ILI when making decisive statements, but ILI will be more quick in doing so.
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New edit:
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Originally Posted by Luke
Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisions which fit the moment
b) make observations which pertain to the situation
Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) observe the general behaviour of things
b) decide what actions will be most beneficial
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Originally Posted by Luke
LII may be more emphatic (and stubborn maybe) than ILI when making decisive statements, but ILI will be more quick in doing so.
Making decisive statements and making decisions are two totally different things to me. We all know that ILIs are more prone to make speculative, provocative statements, for example in debates, but we also know that (practical) decisions come much more easily to LIIs.
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus
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Originally Posted by Luke
LII may be more emphatic (and stubborn maybe) than ILI when making decisive statements, but ILI will be more quick in doing so.
Making decisive statements and making decisions are two totally different things to me. We all know that ILIs are more prone to make speculative, provocative statements, for example in debates, but we also know that (practical) decisions come much more easily to LIIs.
I dunno, intuitive statements can be pretty speculative and provocative in a sense... at least I think so :P
Perhaps you're right, and "decisive statements" is a better wording than "decisions" in that context. The point is that they appear to be decisive in the short run, due to the extroverted nature of the creative trait, while not applying much weight to that decisiveness. LII are the opposite, appearing indecisive but generally sticking to their decisions when possible.
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Originally Posted by Luke
Which do you prefer to do more quickly, with less deep consideration?
a) make decisive statements which fit in the moment
b) make observant statements which pertain to the situation
Which do you prefer to do more slowly, with less external influence?
a) make observations about the nature of fundamental reality
b) come to conclusions about the nature of fundamental reality
Another edit. Let me know if you think this is better, worse, or the same.
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Originally Posted by Luke
Which do you tend to make quickly, taking immediate data into account?
a) decisive statements regarding how your surroundings should be
b) observant statements regarding what your surroundings are like
Which do you tend to make carefully, taking past memories into account?
a) observations about how things tend to interact
b) decisions about how things ought to interact
I've changed the static/dynamic section some more. Any takers?
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Bold is me:
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Originally Posted by Luke
Which do you tend to make quickly, taking immediate data into account?
a) decisive statements regarding how your surroundings should be
b) observant statements regarding what your surroundings are like
This is a very hard question, since it's mainly subconscious or happens too fast or something
Which do you tend to make carefully, taking past memories into account?
a) observations about how things tend to interact
b) decisions about how things ought to interact
Which do you consider a central focus more than simply a useful tool?
c) making decisions is a central focus
d) observing things is a central focus
Which do you consider a useful tool more than a central focus?
c) observing things is helpful but not central
d) making decisions is helpful but not central
Which combination of elements would you prefer to work with over an extended period of time?
e) physical and logical elements
f) abstract and logical elements
g) physical and ethical elements
h) abstract and ethical elements
Which combination of elements would you find most difficult over an extended period of time?
e) abstract and ethical elements
f) physical and ethical elements
g) abstract and logical elements
h) physical and logical elements
a -- dynamic | MBTI J
b -- static | MBTI P
c -- rational | Socionics J
d -- irrational | Socionics P
e -- ST
f -- NT
g -- SF
h -- NF
static rational, dynamic irrational = introverted
dynamic rational, static irrational = extroverted
:Ti: :Ne: or :Te: :Ni:.
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Originally Posted by FDG
It's not my intention to excessively complicate things, but I honestly feel like I would like to work best with physical and abstract matters, more so than logical or emotional - that would be secondary.
Out of physical and abstract, which would you prefer; out of logical and emotional, which would you prefer?
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IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp
EDIT:
Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?
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Originally Posted by astralsilky
IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp
EDIT:
Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?
That's a good question. I think it might for the first two traits (which we are measuring) but not the rest. According to MBTT sources, the HA and suggestive functions are next in line, followed by the id traits, then the painful and role traits. Basically for super-ego and super-id they are in reversed order, the super-id is vastly preferred over the rest of the non-ego traits, and the super-ego is least preferred. But this ordering doesn't necessarily tell us how competent a trait is, or what order in the psyche it is used, just how much you prefer to use/not use it. So I think this difference between the two theories could (in principle) be resolved.
Think about it, over an extended period of time would you really pick a super-id trait instead of an ego one? It may be enjoyable for a time, but it comes at a cost of being weaker-minded and less conscious.
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Originally Posted by Luke
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Originally Posted by astralsilky
IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp
EDIT:
Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?
That's a good question. I think it might for the first two traits (which we are measuring) but not the rest. According to MBTT sources, the HA and suggestive functions are next in line, followed by the id traits, then the painful and role traits. Basically for super-ego and super-id they are in reversed order, the super-id is vastly preferred over the rest of the non-ego traits, and the super-ego is least preferred. But this ordering doesn't necessarily tell us how competent a trait is, or what order in the psyche it is used, just how much you prefer to use/not use it. So I think this difference between the two theories could (in principle) be resolved.
Think about it,
over an extended period of time would you really pick a super-id trait instead of an ego one? It may be enjoyable for a time, but it comes at a cost of being weaker-minded and less conscious.
That is the key, isn't it ...
Good job on your test, btw. Have no idea if my result is right or not, but your approach appears more sound than most I've seen.
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Originally Posted by astralsilky
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Originally Posted by Luke
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Originally Posted by astralsilky
IXTp with possible leaning toward INTp
EDIT:
Must preferences = aptitude by way of functional dominance? What if this is not always true => testing flaws?
That's a good question. I think it might for the first two traits (which we are measuring) but not the rest. According to MBTT sources, the HA and suggestive functions are next in line, followed by the id traits, then the painful and role traits. Basically for super-ego and super-id they are in reversed order, the super-id is vastly preferred over the rest of the non-ego traits, and the super-ego is least preferred. But this ordering doesn't necessarily tell us how competent a trait is, or what order in the psyche it is used, just how much you prefer to use/not use it. So I think this difference between the two theories could (in principle) be resolved.
Think about it,
over an extended period of time would you really pick a super-id trait instead of an ego one? It may be enjoyable for a time, but it comes at a cost of being weaker-minded and less conscious.
That is the key, isn't it ...
Good job on your test, btw. Have no idea if my result is right or not, but your approach appears more sound than most I've seen.
Thank you :D
Good luck narrowing down your type.