ESTp's insecurities and admitting to lack of self-confidence (SLE)

All possible. But I can tell you that your first point is wrong. As to others' perceptions, they are different. Let me give you some words that people might associate with me and have done in the past:

"Interesting"
"I LOVE HIM!"
"Wanker"
"You're so arrogant!"
"You're not cold-hearted and detached"
"You don't have a heart!"
"A great friend"
"What are you on about!???"
"HAHAHAHA"
"You are so harsh"
"Blunt"

Now, if I were to ask what people think of me, they'd probably define me as a 7w8 or an 8w7 on the Enneagram. I've been told I do well starting things, but don't do well finishing them. By one person. By another, I was told I'm very well-disciplined and an effective planner.

Understand that people have different perceptions of me, because I change like a hotshot lawyer tryna switch between his public face and his backroom one. It's not because I am a 3 or because I am ENFj. It's because of the way I am.

The more paradoxical and mystifying you all make me out to become, the more arrogant I become. In fact, the more you try to unravel, the stronger I get. I'm practically invincible.

I've thought of a good way of putting it. You're all denying me, because I'm too good to be true. That's essentially what this 3 ENFj character you've pinned me down on would be like. Except that that's a façade; I am not.

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Originally Posted by Ezra

I've thought of a good way of putting it. You're all denying me, because I'm too good to be true. That's essentially what this 3 ENFj character you've pinned me down on would be like. Except that that's a façade; I am not.

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you know us so well we all want to douche ourselves with you.

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Originally Posted by Ezra

I've thought of a good way of putting it. You're all denying me, because I'm too good to be true. That's essentially what this 3 ENFj character you've pinned me down on would be like. Except that that's a façade; I am not.

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you know us so well we all want to douche ourselves with you.

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Hahahahahaa

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Originally Posted by Ezra

All possible. But I can tell you that your first point is wrong. As to others' perceptions, they are different. Let me give you some words that people might associate with me and have done in the past:

"Interesting"
"I LOVE HIM!"
"Wanker"
"You're so arrogant!"
"You're not cold-hearted and detached"
"You don't have a heart!"
"A great friend"
"What are you on about!???"
"HAHAHAHA"
"You are so harsh"
"Blunt"

Now, if I were to ask what people think of me, they'd probably define me as a 7w8 or an 8w7 on the Enneagram. I've been told I do well starting things, but don't do well finishing them. By one person. By another, I was told I'm very well-disciplined and an effective planner.

Understand that people have different perceptions of me, because I change like a hotshot lawyer tryna switch between his public face and his backroom one. It's not because I am a 3 or because I am ENFj. It's because of the way I am.

The more paradoxical and mystifying you all make me out to become, the more arrogant I become. In fact, the more you try to unravel, the stronger I get. I'm practically invincible.

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Well this doesn't sound like ESTj. It clearly points more to the ENTp/ESTp/ENFj group.

For fuck sake, XoX, I am not ENFj. Cut that motherfuckerrrrrr out right now. If anything, ENFp! but never, never, never do I use :Fe: as my leading function. Drill it into your and others' heads.

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Originally Posted by Ezra

For fuck sake, XoX, I am not ENFj. Cut that motherfuckerrrrrr out right now. If anything, ENFp! but never, never, never do I use :Fe: as my leading function. Drill it into your and others' heads.

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You are like the source of all :Fe: in the universe :lol: Soon you will be a dictator of a country of your own like all other ENFjs and then you will finally realize it.

Can't you see me and Ezra as Duals? LOL , yep.

I would say he remind me of an ENFp much more then ESTp (that's what ezra is labeled with right now?)

I would normally not approve of this off-topic banter but who cares? :)

edit; the way he remind me of is the vibe I get. From his arguments, reasoning and the way he convey his "noise". Also the thing that he makes a strong point to prove his things, in this case his personality, feels very ENFp, IME =)

Dun't get angry with me Ezra as my intuitive reaction too ENFp's say too me =)

Hahaha, oh the uncertainties of life.

What a joy.

:D :D :D

You are such a player!

What a bad boy you are! :P


bad bad bad boy! :lol:

Like I said - do. You. Know. Me?

No. You. Don't.

:wink:

Why does that matter?

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Originally Posted by Ezra

This is bullshit.

You just can't handle someone who feels good enough about himself to be able to talk about himself at length and have no problem with not 'covering up' things for modesty's sake. I'm not 'spraying it' everywhere. I haven't bigged myself up in any way. I've been truthful in everything I've said. I'm confident enough to say what is the truth.

This reminds me of the Trial of Socrates. Completely right, completely victimised unfairly, and deemed arrogant due to his pure self-confidence.

Accept the fact that what I am doing is because I am Ezra, and it is not due to my insecurities, or because of my 'image' that people have so spoken of. Accept the fact because it is true. Accept that I have accepted the fact that it is true. I know it is true.

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The whole point is that you make a big deal about it. To the rest of us, you look like a little kid parading and stamping around going "IM CONFIDENT WAAAAHHH WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?!??!!"

And then there's this...

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I haven't bigged myself up in any way.

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This reminds me of the Trial of Socrates. Completely right, completely victimised unfairly, and deemed arrogant due to his pure self-confidence.

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I wasn't even going to begin digging into what kind of idiot you look like comparing yourself to Socrates, but then I noticed this :lol: and...uhhh...I think you see my point.

lol.

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Originally Posted by Gilly

To the rest of us, you look like a little kid parading and stamping around going "IM CONFIDENT WAAAAHHH WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?!??!!"

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Yup. I believe confident people wouldn't even bother explaining or whether people believe them or not.

But then, what if you play you don't care what people think of you so they will think you are confident and that is what you want people too think because you are not. Then the ones who truly are confident are the ones that say they are confident and really push it down their throat because that will make them look un-confident and they don't care because they are SO confident!!

We have to look deep on these things people! DEEEP!

I want you to know I'm confident so you can get a better understanding of me.

Basically, if you can't trust a description of me from Day 1, then why should you trust anything I say? That is why I have to make it implicitly clear that when I say something is true, it is true. In fact, I have to make clear that what I say is true and I don't lie.

You may have a had a history of insecure, image-imposing posters on here, but I am not one of them. When I give a description, I expect some feedback, not "he is not who he says he is". When I say I am not a type after someone refers me to it, I am not that type, so let us continue the discussion and find out my type. This is what I want.

Socrates reference was a good way of illustrating my situation. You think people trusted him? No. Check. You think he was telling the truth? Yes. Check. This is me. What is worth digging into about that?

This is a thread for ESTp's insecurities. This thread is not for discussing your type. You have even 2 typing threads. You even said you played a game(surprise) that's why you are not trusted (peoples predictions were right). If my memory serves me well you said you found out your type and you don't want too hear anything else so follow that. You can't really control the feedback you will get, be happy you are getting something at least.

I am sorry for off-topic :(

No, I'm sorry for off topic.

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Open your mind,

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Originally Posted by Ezra

For fuck sake, XoX, I am not ENFj. Cut that motherfuckerrrrrr out right now. If anything, ENFp! but never, never, never do I use :Fe: as my leading function. Drill it into your and others' heads.

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You are like the source of all :Fe: in the universe :lol: Soon you will be a dictator of a country of your own like all other ENFjs and then you will finally realize it.

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An ENFj cannot declare "I do not lie, what you see is what you get" in all honesty, and certainly not with this guy's frequency. The closer you get to someone with :Fe: :Ni: dominance, the more lies you unravel, and the more you realize just how much of your relationship was based on an illusion.

What my friend admitted was more: "You think you know me? You don't know who I really am" and "I have lied to you. Yes, [lie #1] was a lie. [Lie #2] too. What you have seen is but a reflection of yourself that I constructed to gain your favour"

Yes, Ezra is full of himself. But a Beta NF does not construct an image with the same gaucherie, and wouldn't have remained so long in the forum after the act was supposedly found out.

almost seems like everyone argues for him not being in their own quadra or type :lol:

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Originally Posted by raisonpure

Yes, Ezra is full of himself. But a Beta NF does not construct an image with the same gaucherie, and wouldn't have remained so long in the forum after the act was supposedly found out.

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Thank you raisonpure. Everyone read this who is still in some doubt about my motive.

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almost seems like everyone argues for him not being in their own quadra or type :lol:

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Hahaha, people really do detest me don't they.

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Originally Posted by raisonpure

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Originally Posted by XoX

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Originally Posted by Ezra

For fuck sake, XoX, I am not ENFj. Cut that motherfuckerrrrrr out right now. If anything, ENFp! but never, never, never do I use :Fe: as my leading function. Drill it into your and others' heads.

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You are like the source of all :Fe: in the universe :lol: Soon you will be a dictator of a country of your own like all other ENFjs and then you will finally realize it.

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An ENFj cannot declare "I do not lie, what you see is what you get" in all honesty, and certainly not with this guy's frequency. The closer you get to someone with :Fe: :Ni: dominance, the more lies you unravel, and the more you realize just how much of your relationship was based on an illusion.

What my friend admitted was more: "You think you know me? You don't know who I really am" and "I have lied to you. Yes, [lie #1] was a lie. [Lie #2] too. What you have seen is but a reflection of yourself that I constructed to gain your favour"

Yes, Ezra is full of himself. But a Beta NF does not construct an image with the same gaucherie, and wouldn't have remained so long in the forum after the act was supposedly found out.

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Your friend was a bitch. What does that prove? :o Spank him/her and move on. There are other kind of ENFjs out there too.

One should never put yourself out too get hurt in the first place. Surf on the nice wave of distance and just enjoy.


Keep people at your periphery- live shallow and die alone. That is my cup of coffe.

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Your friend was a bitch. What does that prove? :o Spank him/her and move on. There are other kind of ENFjs out there too.

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ENFjs are only so alike each other, XoX.

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Originally Posted by Ezra

For fuck sake, XoX, I am not ENFj. Cut that motherfuckerrrrrr out right now. If anything, ENFp! but never, never, never do I use :Fe: as my leading function. Drill it into your and others' heads.

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You are like the source of all :Fe: in the universe :lol: Soon you will be a dictator of a country of your own like all other ENFjs and then you will finally realize it.

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An ENFj cannot declare "I do not lie, what you see is what you get" in all honesty, and certainly not with this guy's frequency. The closer you get to someone with :Fe: :Ni: dominance, the more lies you unravel, and the more you realize just how much of your relationship was based on an illusion.

What my friend admitted was more: "You think you know me? You don't know who I really am" and "I have lied to you. Yes, [lie #1] was a lie. [Lie #2] too. What you have seen is but a reflection of yourself that I constructed to gain your favour"

Yes, Ezra is full of himself. But a Beta NF does not construct an image with the same gaucherie, and wouldn't have remained so long in the forum after the act was supposedly found out.

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Your friend was a bitch. What does that prove? :o Spank him/her and move on.

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take vid and pics please :wink:

So I was talking to some ESTp's I know about their confidence and my ESTp said "Yeah I don't have confidence trust me." I told him that he comes off completely as very confident and he said "It's something I just have to put out there." Another ESTp said that despite his confidence he's very sad on the inside. So yeah I was just wondering if all ESTp's are like that? Oh and are all the logical subtypes very private about their love life??