Discussion of Si PoLR in LIEs-ENTjs

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

@crazymaisy, I have an IEI cousin whom I love dearly, but I can't spent much time with her because my Te actually hurts her. I can turn my Te off to a degree and try to act like an Se-dom SLE, but I'm not great at it and things quickly become problematic for both of us. :(

If I'm going to spend some time with her, I try to involve a third party. Preferably a Beta.

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LIE supervises IEI. I guess this is why I can get along with them better as their kindred. I can actually "Turn Off" my :Te: pretty damned easy whereas you cannot. Servants can be ordered back to their quarters within good reason, but commanders must always assume the mantle of command. A person's "leading" function is the supreme commander of their psyche, where "the buck stops" as it were. To turn it off would be akin to turning off gravity. You simply cannot no matter how much you may desire to.

Their creative function is likewise their most loyal, competent, and actually willing servant/apostle. Let's use an example. Why does :Te: serve my :Ni:? Because, if I must anthropomorphize this, he/she/it knows/believes with all their heart and soul that if, in my case, they can but feed me the best objective :Te: facts I will see the best way forward. No matter what else it believes in my :Ni:/their master and commander and works its ass off in order to get my :Ni: to where it needs to be. It serves because it is only right it serves. I need data to function. Data it dutifully gathers and provides whenever I request it of them.

To put it bluntly, the creative function has a religious faith in the leading and will never truly fight against it thereby. Like I keep saying, we all have a god. Now I bet many others may be coming to a better understanding of their relationships if you think of these concepts that way. I can expand upon them, but that'd take way more work. Might do it anyway if enough people are interested :content:

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

I was running and slipped and fell and screwed up my knee pretty badly

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hm, to me it's good to hear that the *original* injury came about from a simple mistake and not something like improper form / insufficient conditioning (e.g., working the glutes, the core, stretching the fascia through foam rolling...), the latter of which hampered my now-retired ;) running career. I didn't and don't have the Te and Ni to formulate and stick to a comprehensive fitness plan that would support running at the distances I was trying (especially at the encouragement of others) to run. So to me if you were running without issues until this incident, i'm impressed

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Originally Posted by wonderwoman

hm, to me it's good to hear that the *original* injury came about from a simple mistake and not something like improper form / insufficient conditioning (e.g., working the glutes, the core, stretching the fascia through foam rolling...), the latter of which hampered my now-retired ;) running career. I didn't and don't have the Te and Ni to formulate and stick to a comprehensive fitness plan that would support running at the distances I was trying (especially at the encouragement of others) to run. So to me if you were running without issues until this incident, i'm impressed

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It would be nice to be able to say that I was running without issues before this, but that’s not true. I started cutting back on my running a few years ago when the pain in my knees and ankles got to be too bad. Since then, I only go out intermittently. I had been walking and riding a bike regularly and I thought I was back up to being 18 again or some such stupidity. So I pushed myself to run like I had before, and that, of course, was a big mistake.

I sometimes think that I’m in the greatest danger when I try to do something that I USED TO BE good at but which I haven’t done for a while. I remember the exhilaration but forget the caution that protected me.

So, yeah. I was ignoring my body and I screwed it up.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

It would be nice to be able to say that I was running without issues before this, but that’s not true. I started cutting back on my running a few years ago when the pain in my knees and ankles got to be too bad. Since then, I only go out intermittently. I had been walking and riding a bike regularly and I thought I was back up to being 18 again or some such stupidity. So I pushed myself to run like I had before, and that, of course, was a big mistake.

I sometimes think that I’m in the greatest danger when I try to do something that I USED TO BE good at but which I haven’t done for a while. I remember the exhilaration but forget the caution that protected me.

So, yeah. I was ignoring my body and I screwed it up.

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I can relate, especially with my Se wanting to feel those good vibes quickly. Glad that the PT is helping. And thanks for elaborating - I enjoy hearing more of the backstory.

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Originally Posted by End

To put it bluntly, the creative function has a religious faith in the leading and will never truly fight against it thereby. Like I keep saying, we all have a god. Now I bet many others may be coming to a better understanding of their relationships if you think of these concepts that way. I can expand upon them, but that'd take way more work. Might do it anyway if enough people are interested :content:

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Seems to me you want to, so DO IT! :whistle:

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Originally Posted by crazymaisy

Seems to me you want to, so DO IT! :whistle:

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There is a philosophical/artistic bent some would say about us/our type after all. Alright. I can do that. Give me a day or two. Though I must ask, should I start a new thread or just lay it all out in this one?

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Originally Posted by End

There is a philosophical/artistic bent some would say about us/our type after all. Alright. I can do that. Give me a day or two. Though I must ask, should I start a new thread or just lay it all out in this one?

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If you start a new thread, link the good stuff from this thread to that thread, the way forward is clear!

Hmm I see si-polr as rudeness or not being appropriately caring towards an individual. Even though EIEs and LIEs can be quite the opposite of this. When it’s bad it’s bad though.

I once took a family member to a party and they took drugs and overdosed and I had to call an ambulance and spend the night with them in hospital. I feel bad that I hadn’t kept more or an eye on my own family member. However..later on I heard that the host of the party (my childhood EIE best friend) had been in a strop because after the ambulance came the vibe of the party was ruined and we had ruined her birthday party. She said my family member would have been fine if we’d just let things pass…uh no. I watched my family member fitting in a bathroom, body in contortions and her lips blew up like she’d had surgery on them from how much she bit them.

Also: I actually feel in a very si-polr mood myself the last few days as I’m feeling exhausted from xmas and new year’s busyness. I feel a little on edge, grumpy and like I want to see people but also don’t at the same time.

Edit: SORRY I MISREAD the title of the thread, def in a si-polr mood..bad moody/impulsive/ bit worn out :)

My Si-polr is why I always buy my clothing at physical stores, despite so many shopping online nowadays, due to the COVID-pandemic. The last time I bought shoes I was very glad for the expertise of the shopkeeper. Despite that I recalled my usual size, they turned out to be two sizes too large. I had walked in them a bit and tested to see if they fitted, but I genuinely didn't notice. If they had been too small, I would have easily picked up on that, but I have a hard time recognizing if something's too large for me or a good fit. This is why I rather shop as seldomly as possible and buy a lot whenever I do have to go shopping, because the next time I have to figure it out all over again what fits me and what doesn't.

I am, however, able to easily judge what style of clothing I like and suits me. I think that this is because it seems to be Se-related, instead of Si.

Ok so I was just thinking about an LIE lady I know who is my colleague and I’d also call her a work friend. For a while she’d try to talk to me but I always thought she seemed to talk too much and didn’t know how to turn-take in a convo. This is before I know about socionics and I didn’t think much of it, I just thought oh nice lady but can’t be bothered to get into a mundane/tricky conversation in my lunch break. At some point we did start chatting though and during the pandemic I ended up joining her writing group and chatting a lot in the office. All I can really say relating to si-polr is sometimes she talks too much and I think she exhausts herself by it. She is a pretty funny lady telling off people in the customer service setting I work in..especially regarding Covid restrictions. I know she has some health problems too and I sense she probably is a little depressed being single. Or more than a little.

Another LIE female I knew briefly told me she was always known as the ‘mother’ in her friendship group, taking care of people. I didn’t know her long but she just seemed really nice. She was a very high achieving student. I remember her saying she had a very dark sense of humour.

Another female I work with..oh boy I can see us falling out already. She has a screechy voice, bad temper and says insensitive/awkward stuff or disguises rude comments in a playful way. She gets frustrated with me, as if to suggest I’m being uncaring or inconsiderate, when she is doing that same thing to me without realising the irony..There are things that are cool or nice about her but I think we def need to find a more appropriate boundary apart from each other. Also, she has mentioned having quite severe depression in the past.

Male LIEs:

One annoying young one I work with. Doesn’t understand the concept of personal space. This may just be a young male thing. Or something about my work place because it’s happened before with an SEI.

A guy I used to know: used to overdo at the gym, now he appears to be taking part in body-building competitions. Looks happy/healthy. Posts too many pics of his social life/himself on Instagram but sweet, fun guy from what I recall.

Another LIE: just a bit intense. Quite fun to party with, similar to SEE. Chats to people and acts a bit crazy.

Wow, you know many LIEs, @Bethany, and here I was thinking that I was a special snowflake. :P

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Originally Posted by EIE

I wore two different shoes in public without realizing it yesterday.

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You're not in trouble until you wear one on your foot and one on your hand.

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Originally Posted by Armitage

Wow, you know many LIEs, @Bethany, and here I was thinking that I was a special snowflake. :P

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You are one! Btw you remind me a bit of a friend I know. He’s ILE. Isn’t that weird when someone on the forum reminds you a little of someone you know? :) (not calling you an ILE btw haha)

Surprise, it's me! :hyper:
https://tenor.com/view/surprised-its...g-gif-17570129
Now I only have to go after my evil clone first. Or am I the evil clone? :agent:
https://twitter.com/halpdevon/status...576128/photo/1


I have actually heard more often that some people think of me as an ILE, but that's probably due to the fact that in my casual mood I enjoy joking with Ne. Since I'm Ne-demonstrative, I'm strong in it, but don't take it too seriously, hence I find it ideal for fooling around. There's presently no serious business going on, after all.

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Originally Posted by Armitage

Now I only have to go after my evil clone first. Or am I the evil clone? :agent:
https://twitter.com/halpdevon/status...576128/photo/1

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I swear this is a joke my mate would make ha.

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Originally Posted by Armitage

have actually heard more often that some people think of me as an ILE, but that's probably due to the fact that in my casual mood I enjoy joking with Ne. Since I'm Ne-demonstrative, I'm strong in it, but don't take it too seriously, hence I find it ideal for fooling around. There's presently no serious business going on, after all.

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well you are silly hahaha :) maybe you have a good handle on some si stuff too? Sometimes I think I have a weird relationship with si, stemming from both my parents being si types (sli, ese). I was also the first born child so it was just me and si types for a couple of years. My really good SEE friend is very SEI like in my eyes, and her mum is an SEI. It took me a while to decide SEE for her. She is intensely E6 and is incredibly warm, although it can be alarming when she gets randomly angry.

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Originally Posted by Armitage

Surprise, it's me! :hyper:
https://tenor.com/view/surprised-its...g-gif-17570129
Now I only have to go after my evil clone first. Or am I the evil clone? :agent:
https://twitter.com/halpdevon/status...576128/photo/1


I have actually heard more often that some people think of me as an ILE, but that's probably due to the fact that in my casual mood I enjoy joking with Ne. Since I'm Ne-demonstrative, I'm strong in it, but don't take it too seriously, hence I find it ideal for fooling around. There's presently no serious business going on, after all.

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I've never been mistaken for an LII but now that I think about it I think I get why "Quasi-Identical" relationships kinda sorta work out. I myself am intimately aware of :Ti: and how it goes about things. To use an example I came up with...

Say I was presented with the mythical "Gordian knot". Now, from a theoretical standpoint it is impossible to create an "impossibly" tangled knot unless you cheated and welded sections of the knot to others somehow. Like, say, the knot was constructed of nylon and you gave it a quick pass or two over a fierce and open flame. So long as that didn't happen I am well and perfectly able to untangle it without recourse to the sword and just cutting it... but I'd rather just slash it along its obvious weakpoint and be done with it! If I was given a choice in a void of course :).

The LII on the other hand would rather just untie it peaceably... but if pressed for time would know how and where to slash if it came down to it. He'd be a bit disappointed at how he was denied the chance to actually demonstrate the subtle beauty of the knot as they untied it so meticulously and carefully but all types are still human. The LII may be most everything I am not and operate on literally opposed decision axis on all fronts but we share a common humanity. Put em' in the right place at the wrong time and you'll see em' channel that shadow rather effectively!

Case in point? Imagine if an LII saw and heard the dude who presented him with the knot swore to the highest divinities they both acknowledged that they didn't cheat and pass that nylon knot over an open flame when he wasn't looking. Once it became obvious that someone had maliciously fucked with the LII's base assumptions oh boy. If people think us gamma's know how to hurt people...

People often make the mistake of thinking "theories" or "conjecture" can explain everything. This is the fundamental error of :Ti:. :Te: likewise makes a similar and likewise major error, that everything is fundamentally "logical" on some level. A thing can be perfectly and completely logically illogical. How the fuck else would one explain "mental illness" and attachment issues after all?

As my life goes, I untie every knot that comes my way. No f'd up knots so far. It doesn't make me "feel" anything other than peaceful, another successful unknotting.

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Originally Posted by Bethany

Another female I work with..oh boy I can see us falling out already. She has a screechy voice, bad temper and says insensitive/awkward stuff or disguises rude comments in a playful way. She gets frustrated with me, as if to suggest I’m being uncaring or inconsiderate, when she is doing that same thing to me without realising the irony..There are things that are cool or nice about her but I think we def need to find a more appropriate boundary apart from each other. Also, she has mentioned having quite severe depression in the past.

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it turns out this person is really quite nice. Supervision can be v cool. All ITR are precious really

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Originally Posted by Bethany

it turns out this person is really quite nice. Supervision can be v cool. All ITR are precious really

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Bethany, I've dated a few IEIs and I think THEY are very cool, and two of them were talking LTR with a potential contract.

BUT, I married my Supervisor and after a few years, found that there were some significant problems. I also have a beloved IEI cousin whom I grew up with. I love her dearly, but I can't hang out with her for very long because my Te hurts her.

Long term, Supervision turns into one-sided Conflict. Apartness is the medicine.

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Originally Posted by Whitespike

Apparently also EIE's! :D Cant believe i mistook my role function for leading function.

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Don't feel bad, I once mistook my PoLR function for my Ego function. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Bethany

it turns out this person is really quite nice. Supervision can be v cool. All ITR are precious really

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Absolutely. Outside of the typology community, my experiences with SLEs are completely different. The main difference is that rather than Fi-bashing and embracing their PoLR, the (older, more mature ones, at least) are capable of realizing it's their own flaw and they need to improve. I love SLEs, though, and appreciate several things about them. I don't think I've met anyone who was my supervisor in RL/outside of typology communities, so...can't say there.

A few things in my case that probably haven't been mentioned:

- Lack of a sense of belonging to "groups" such as family, or a nationality or patriotic sentiment. You just develop agency towards whathever you "like" (Fi DS) or "makes sense" (Te),

- Strange relation to your body, as if you didn't have a "material" nature. Like it was just a thing that hangs from your head. Notices but can ignore bodily signals such as pain.

- Dislike of sexual interchange unless really motivated (i.e in love), especially kissing (tolerates hugs better though). Other people cause feelings of ickyness generally.

- Spartan nature. Requires very little.

- Self-referential sense pertaining aesthetics almost absent.

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Originally Posted by Neuroplasticity

Absolutely. Outside of the typology community, my experiences with SLEs are completely different. The main difference is that rather than Fi-bashing and embracing their PoLR, the (older, more mature ones, at least) are capable of realizing it's their own flaw and they need to improve. I love SLEs, though, and appreciate several things about them. I don't think I've met anyone who was my supervisor in RL/outside of typology communities, so...can't say there.

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hmm..it’s confusing. She is nice but she does seem a bit obsessed with wanting to be my friend, maybe outside of work as well as at work. That I do not appreciate, but maybe if I just ignore it she’ll stop. I think it also might just be time to move jobs.

I had a better dynamic with the other LIEs I mentioned earlier. I truly admire the lady who runs my writing group, she has a very sweet side. Recently I’ve worked closely with two (LIEs) who have really bothered me. I think my bosses are hiring different kinds of people atm..

I don’t know if I would have tolerated these people better in the past. Either way, I have to now. I had to tell the young LIE male off recently..maybe when you’ve been somewhere a few years the chances simply increase that you’ll work with someone a bit challenging and make you want to leave/progress :p

ok this is going way off topic now but..

I get paranoid that with some people you can get into a sort of faux supervision dynamic with people who aren’t your supervisor/supervisee. I really don’t like the thought of someone seeing me as a supervisor..even if they admire me partially.

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Originally Posted by Bethany

I swear this is a joke my mate would make ha.

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I purposefully put on my ILE silly hat. ...It makes me look like a wizard. :cauldron:

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Originally Posted by Bethany

maybe you have a good handle on some si stuff too?

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Seeing my room would cause any Si-user to hopelessly despair; piles of piper stacked on my coffee table and notes lying everywhere on my desk. Multiple computers and screens put in a corner, and solar system posters rolled up for years, instead of hung onto the wall. Only my bookshelf is orderly, whereas everything else I'll take care of "when nothing important is going on"... Some of those paper piles are from high-school still. :hide:
I'm actually considering to take a gap year after my statistics master, so I can clean up, but also to conduct one of the university's faculty improvement projects and to apply for chairmanship of the sustainability committee. ... At the end of that year I probably have done a good job at the latter two, but have barely thrown away half a pile of papers, LOL. #Self-Awareness #Priorities #Si-polr

At least my room is still livable and not as bad as that one LII professor. Jolly guy, but he can't turn around in his own office or everyone in there will be flooded with a tsunami of notes, papers, and books. It's a wonder he can find anything in there, but he actually knows where everything's at. And he sure does a better job at finding his stuff than his LIE-Te neighbour, who despite ordering and archiving everything, cannot find the papers I handed him last week even if his life depended on it.

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Originally Posted by Armitage

I purposefully put on my ILE silly hat. ...It makes me look like a wizard. :cauldron:


Seeing my room would cause any Si-user to hopelessly despair; piles of piper stacked on my coffee table and notes lying everywhere on my desk. Multiple computers and screens put in a corner, and solar system posters rolled up for years, instead of hung onto the wall. Only my bookshelf is orderly, whereas everything else I'll take care of "when nothing important is going on"... Some of those paper piles are from high-school still. :hide:
I'm actually considering to take a gap year after my statistics master, so I can clean up, but also to conduct one of the university's faculty improvement projects and to apply for chairmanship of the sustainability committee. ... At the end of that year I probably have done a good job at the latter two, but have barely thrown away half a pile of papers, LOL. #Self-Awareness #Priorities #Si-polr

At least my room is still livable and not as bad as that one LII professor. Jolly guy, but he can't turn around in his own office or everyone in there will be flooded with a tsunami of notes, papers, and books. It's a wonder he can find anything in there, but he actually knows where everything's at. And he sure does a better job at finding his stuff than his LIE-Te neighbour, who despite ordering and archiving everything, cannot find the papers I handed him last week even if his life depended on it.

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@Armitage, my room was similar to yours until I hired an ESI to redecorate. She threw out everything; papers, clothes, furniture, and bed, and bought new, according to her taste, and now the place looks great and I feel as if my mind is unburdened.

Try it. It worked for me.

@Adam Strange, I wish I could hire an ESI to do so for me too, yet as a student I have to hold my own pants up, because I don't earn the money yet.

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Originally Posted by Armitage

@Adam Strange, I wish I could hire an ESI to do so for me too, yet as a student I have to hold my own pants up, because I don't earn the money yet.

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Yes, not having money is a huge impediment to personal progress. I've been there. In many ways, I'm still there, although "lack of money" in my case has been superseded by "lack of moral content and motivation", which can be equally debilitating.

One thing you might want to consider to get access to more money is to find investors, but that requires a high level of commitment to something. However, if anyone in the socion is suited to finding investors, it's LIEs.

If you don't know how to do this, then join a business development firm. They will quickly teach you what you need to know.
I wish I had done that, rather than trying to lift myself by my bootstraps.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

Bethany, I've dated a few IEIs and I think THEY are very cool, and two of them were talking LTR with a potential contract.

BUT, I married my Supervisor and after a few years, found that there were some significant problems. I also have a beloved IEI cousin whom I grew up with. I love her dearly, but I can't hang out with her for very long because my Te hurts her.

Long term, Supervision turns into one-sided Conflict. Apartness is the medicine.

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Yeah I can’t be around my mum and dad when they’re arguing. I can’t tell who suffers more though. The person who’s learned to tune out the shouting or the person doing the shouting..I think with some LIE friends there is a natural boundary, you both understand. But with some LIEs I just end up clashing with them even if we’re both trying to be nice.

@Armitage I just found an envelope of cash I had misplaced in my house. Hurray. I was starting to think it was gone..I am also a little messy but try to keep it to a minimum. I don’t know how people have the time/energy to cook, clean and organise things haha. I think I am starting to get allergies and it’s not cool..now I basically need a partner so they can share the cleaning load with me lol Or at least make me feel like there is more of a point to doing them, I think I care more if it’s for someone else too..

On a serious note when I was 17/18 my tiny bedroom had random stuff all over the floor and I remember looking at it thinking I like the chaos, it’s how I feel inside. I don’t think the thought was that clear/conscious but I remember thinking it felt right. My ESE mum just shouted and didn’t realise that a room that messy is quite likely an early sign of depression, considering I’d always been reasonably tidy before.

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@Armitage I just found an envelope of cash I had misplaced in my house. Hurray. I was starting to think it was gone..I am also a little messy but try to keep it to a minimum. I don’t know how people have the time/energy to cook, clean and organise things haha. I think I am starting to get allergies and it’s not cool..now I basically need a partner so they can share the cleaning load with me lol Or at least make me feel like there is more of a point to doing them, I think I care more if it’s for someone else too..

On a serious note when I was 17/18 my tiny bedroom had random stuff all over the floor and I remember looking at it thinking I like the chaos, it’s how I feel inside. I don’t think the thought was that clear/conscious but I remember thinking it felt right. My ESE mum just shouted and didn’t realise that a room that messy is quite likely an early sign of depression, considering I’d always been reasonably tidy before.

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@Bethany, I agree with you regarding messy rooms and depression. I think it works both ways. A depressed person can feel overwhelmed and can’t clean their room, and a messy room can quickly deplete one’s mental energy and can cause depression.

@Adam Strange yeah poor mental health is such a trap. And yep, and in all my years living alone I’ve got better at organising my living space but cooking/ house improvements were always very low priority. I didn’t have a lot of money or energy for buying ‘things’ and didn’t feel a huge need for my place to look pretty. Mostly I couldn’t envision how much nicer it could look or realise the impact it would have on my mind. It’s looking much more normal these days..learning about socionics made me realise how important it is to nourish all parts of your brain, even if it doesn’t feel important. Your brain is taking in info all the time, and good info is better than bad info. A nice living space sends a message of security and pride to your brain, for example, security being the more important. With just a little more imagination it looks much nicer. But when you’re so used to focusing your imagination in other areas (escapism in TV, books, art) you forget how to apply it to normal areas of your life. You forget that having a nice physical space actually enhances your appreciation of art and life, with just a little effort, because you feel more involved in the world. I’m tired so I hope I’m not chatting rubbish but that’s another thing si thing I’m trying to find the right level of caring about/not caring

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Originally Posted by Bethany

@Adam Strange yeah poor mental health is such a trap. And yep, and in all my years living alone I’ve got better at organising my living space but cooking/ house improvements were always very low priority. I didn’t have a lot of money or energy for buying ‘things’ and didn’t feel a huge need for my place to look pretty. Mostly I couldn’t envision how much nicer it could look or realise the impact it would have on my mind. It’s looking much more normal these days..learning about socionics made me realise how important it is to nourish all parts of your brain, even if it doesn’t feel important. Your brain is taking in info all the time, and good info is better than bad info. A nice living space sends a message of security and pride to your brain, for example, security being the more important. With just a little more imagination it looks much nicer. But when you’re so used to focusing your imagination in other areas (escapism in TV, books, art) you forget how to apply it to normal areas of your life. You forget that having a nice physical space actually enhances your appreciation of art and life, with just a little effort, because you feel more involved in the world. I’m tired so I hope I’m not chatting rubbish but that’s another thing si thing I’m trying to find the right level of caring about/not caring

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@Bethany, what you say is all true IMO and is very wise.

An IEI once told me that "Balance" is the key. I think that a need for balance is why Duality is often very helpful.

My house was a huge mess after years of living in a poorly-functioning marriage. My SLI ex-wife and I had both become hoarders during this time, and it took me hiring an ESI Dual to come in and throw stuff out before I could really get past that very difficult point of moving out of the clutter and into the clarity.

I'm glad to hear that you're doing it, too. :)

Lmao...the posts above reminded me...when I live with partners, it's always them asking me, "WHERE IS THE SUCH AND SUCH???" and I always know where everything is. I can recall these kinds of things in so much detail that I don't usually even go to the fridge or the pantry to look in there and decide what I want. I just close my eyes and recall what's there. Comes in handy at the grocery store, but sometimes not that feasible when you live with multiple people and you don't know whether the status of an item has changed since you last saw.

I might have mentioned this before.

I have a few different kinds of drinking glasses. Some are plain, some are blown glass works of art, some are the products of Schott Glass Works, and some are old jelly glasses.

Well, they aren’t actually jelly glasses. They used to hold Safe Harvest ^TM soups. I prefer them because they are the right size, are easy to clean, are durable, are locally re-used, and they are cheap.

Recently the ESI-Se who is redecorating my house watched without comment as I drank water out of one of these glasses. (I almost alway offer guests a drink in a real glass.)
A few days later, she was giving me a hard time for living like a bum and said “You drink out of soup glasses!” and laughed.

She was probably just contrasting my life now with the life that she is planning for me, but that comment hurt and surprised me.
It surprised me because she normally does not hurt me in any way, unlike most of the people on this planet. So I started wondering why I felt so hurt at her simple comment?

It’s my Si-PoLR, of course.

Now I need to figure out how to not hit her Ne-PoLR.

It's the inability to calm down or relax on my own...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmePIJDnA_g

One of our best customers decided that they wanted to visit my company to see the progress we were making on their project, so I asked some guys to clean the place up prior to their visit.
An SLI stated that I was creating a Potemkin village.

Damn it, he’s always right about this Si stuff. Nevertheless, we managed to impress our visitors.

After asking for a long time, I finally got an LIE whom I know to give me a tour of his shop. It was pretty impressive, but halfway through, I suddenly realized that much of what I was seeing must have been arranged for me.

Lol. It is impossible to hide things from Identicals.

With the urging of my 4D Si SLI son, and my 4D Si ESI interior decorator, I'm turning what was once a drafty, run-down house (my house) into a modern, comfortable place to live.
When my LSE sister saw (before) pictures of the house, she said it looked like a crack house. No maintenance for decades, holes in the walls, disgusting carpets, etc. Now, it's headed towards being an architectural showcase, and the SLI and the ESI are eyeing the yard to turn it into some kind of beautiful outdoors safe place for relaxed social interactions.

Personally, with my Si-PoLR, I have a hard time seeing much value in the transformation. Yes, maybe some other people like it, but I could care less, with two exceptions.
One, the place actually is more comfortable and since there is less distraction from clutter and tasks to be done, I feel like I can make more efficient use of my time.
Two, the resale value is going way up. Not that this will benefit me, since if I sold, I could only trade into a house of equal value, but I'm sure that someone will benefit.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

With the urging of my 4D Si SLI son, and my 4D Si ESI interior decorator, I'm turning what was once a drafty, run-down house (my house) into a modern, comfortable place to live.
When my LSE sister saw (before) pictures of the house, she said it looked like a crack house. No maintenance for decades, holes in the walls, disgusting carpets, etc. Now, it's headed towards being an architectural showcase, and the SLI and the ESI are eyeing the yard to turn it into some kind of beautiful outdoors safe place for relaxed social interactions.

Personally, with my Si-PoLR, I have a hard time seeing much value in the transformation. Yes, maybe some other people like it, but I could care less, with two exceptions.
One, the place actually is more comfortable and since there is less distraction from clutter and tasks to be done, I feel like I can make more efficient use of my time.
Two, the resale value is going way up. Not that this will benefit me, since if I sold, I could only trade into a house of equal value, but I'm sure that someone will benefit.

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I'm going to be honest, this made me dry heave, ugly cry and chain smoke at the same time.

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I'm going to be honest, this made me dry heave, ugly cry and chain smoke at the same time.

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It should have launched you into a soliloquy.

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It should have launched you into a soliloquy.

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Beware, a few more of those, and it might happen.

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Beware, a few more of those, and it might happen.

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Have you found an LSI yet? A stitch in time….

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

It should have launched you into a soliloquy.

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You are expanding your lexicon, I see.

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Have you found an LSI yet? A stitch in time….

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Fuck yes I did. :love: He was also kind enough to hold my non-chain smoking hand, while I endured all that efficiency talk, disregarding the magic and importance that beautiful environments carry. Don't take me too seriously though.

So, a few years ago, I hopped off a machine that was about 20" high and managed to break all the metatarsals in my left foot. I didn't want to go to the hospital, but the ex insisted and I was in a cast for a few weeks.

Last year, I slipped on the grass while running and severely damaged the cartilage in my left knee. I didn't want to go to the hospital, but eventually the fact that I couldn't walk across the room led me to physical therapy, and now the knee is 95% back to normal. I'm not running on it, though.

Two days ago, I was walking across the living room, barefoot in the dark, and accidentally I kicked a furniture leg. Hard. I think I fractured my left toe, because, once again, I can't walk on that foot. And no, I don't want to go to the hospital to have it checked out.

I'm definitely having some problems with repeatedly damaging parts of my left leg.

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So, a few years ago, I hopped off a machine that was about 20" high and managed to break all the metatarsals in my left foot. I didn't want to go to the hospital, but the ex insisted and I was in a cast for a few weeks.

Last year, I slipped on the grass while running and severely damaged the cartilage in my left knee. I didn't want to go to the hospital, but eventually the fact that I couldn't walk across the room led me to physical therapy, and now the knee is 95% back to normal. I'm not running on it, though.

Two days ago, I was walking across the living room, barefoot in the dark, and accidentally I kicked a furniture leg. Hard. I think I fractured my left toe, because, once again, I can't walk on that foot. And no, I don't want to go to the hospital to have it checked out.

I'm definitely having some problems with repeatedly damaging parts of my left leg.

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Evidently you need to replace it with an Adam-mantium prosthetic leg. You’ll never need to worry about left-limbed injuries again (and of course, you’ll have a new prototype to design and sell).

Once (May 20th 1991) I fractured my 4th and 5th fingers (Metacarpal fractures) after I kinda lost it and punched a wall. The two bones popped out of their place (up) without tearing the skin of my hand. I immediately did a bone reduction by pushing them in with my left hand. I went to the hospital only three days latter and after seeing my X-Ray the doctor said that I needed surgery because the bones were not perfectly aligned. I never did that surgery (I was afraid) and my finger bones healed naturally.

The ESI-Se interior decorator shows up to work on my house in bursts. She might work intensively for two or three days, and then she disappears back into her own life for two or three weeks.

What I've noticed is that, when she's here, the place gets cleaner and much better organized. When she's away, the place gets slightly more messy and disorganized, but it never falls to its previous level.

I guess I can hold back the tides of Ne disorganization and Si-PoLR slovenliness for only so long, but there is constant attrition.

I don't need much, but I'm pretty sure that I need an ESI in my life.

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The ESI-Se interior decorator shows up to work on my house in bursts. She might work intensively for two or three days, and then she disappears back into her own life for two or three weeks.

What I've noticed is that, when she's here, the place gets cleaner and much better organized. When she's away, the place gets slightly more messy and disorganized, but it never falls to its previous level.

I guess I can hold back the tides of Ne disorganization and Si-PoLR slovenliness for only so long, but there is constant attrition.

I don't need much, but I'm pretty sure that I need an ESI in my life.

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A heads-up: if/when you do get an ESI in your life, careful with ever trying to mess with those bursts of energy. Trying to schedule and structure those activities (in the same way you probably organize your own life) only stifles them. Imo it's important for ESIs to have the freedom to work in their bursts of energy, not on a schedule. Not understanding this can result in fights.

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A heads-up: if/when you do get an ESI in your life, careful with ever trying to mess with those bursts of energy. Trying to schedule and structure those activities (in the same way you probably organize your own life) only stifles them.

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Thanks. I think you’re right.
The ESI-Se interior decorator called me late today after a two week hiatus and said “Let’s work!” I told her that I’d like to, but I’m leaving tomorrow morning to go out of town for a week.
She said “Oh.”
I could just hear the wheels coming off the bus.

Well, sorry. If you don’t plan ahead, your plans don’t always come together.

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Thanks. I think you’re right.
She called me today after a two week hiatus and said “Let’s work!” I told her that I’d like to, but I’m going out of town for a week.
She said “Oh.”
I could just hear the wheels coming off the bus.

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Yyyep. It's better this way than trying to set her up for X and Y times, though, probably. At least with me, if I have to show up without having that energy burst in me, I'm just going to be in a shit mood and want to cancel and “break free” from the “constraints” on my time. Too restrictive. My ESI friend is this way as well.

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I admire Si users, but I can’t do Si myself.

After years of pouring instant coffee into a paper cup and adding cold tap water to it and stirring it with my finger until most of the lumps dissolve and then gulping it down for the caffeine, I decided to up my game.

I bought a French press (so no disposable filters) and a fancy ceramic burr (I’m a fan of ceramic tools) grinder and some imported beans and made myself a cup of coffee like those who have actual taste do.

I can’t tell the difference from instant coffee, except it takes longer to prepare.

I should just give up trying.

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I think this why :Fe: is my weakness given what you describe. See, I can actually "grok" the difference between true instant coffee and how a "French Press" tastes. If you actually get how it all works a French Press is a quick and easy way to get some damn good coffee fast and cheap. Just gotta tell all the hipsters to fuck off.

Like you've said elsewhere, us ILI's are absolute dicks to people upon our first meeting yet if they tank that emotional hit and proceed to shake our hand (as it were) they just made a friend for life. Not much an ILI won't do for those whom they consider a lover or a brother once you've convinced them that you're worthy of that title in their eyes...