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I think I've only interacted with a couple of Ne-ILE, so take the following with a grain of salt. I think I'm a bit fuzzier in my thinking than Ne-ILE. I think we both question things, and question our perceptions or thoughts on something. But we have slightly different angsts. For example, their angsts tend to revolve around emotions, like whether or not they feel what they think they should be feeling, or how to know how someone else feels about them. Mine tend to revolve around whether or not what I'm perceiving is true/real or if it's just my biases and fears getting in the way. I feel more grounded when others express similar thoughts as me, while they've seemed grounded when others express similar emotions. It's like a "right emoting?" (ile) vs "right thinking?" (me) kind of difference. Like, they continue seeking input until someone expresses an emotion that 'rings true' to their own feelings...puts it into words for them. Which makes me fear that i might sometimes continue seeking input until I find something that 'rings true' to my thoughts...puts the right words together for me.

Ne subtype. Fi is one of the tools to serve my Ne. As is Te.
I'm sometimes at odds with Fi subtypes due to the difference in main focus of Ne vs Fi. Not that I don't have a few strong values, but I'm constantly aware that there are many other values and povs just as legit, which often makes it difficult for me to provide a judgment call when asked about the ethics of a situation. I'd rather see a situation from a variety of perspectives than make a judgment call.

Yeah, that was one of the things I caught of a bit of your writing. That 8 is the gut tinted with mind, 7 is the mind tinted with gut, etc. In the terms I'm considering, there would be Anger (mobilizing force) tinted with Anxiety, and Anxiety tinted with Anger (mobilizing force), etc. (There's more to the description than just the label of the Aversive Emotion, such as there being issues related to processing that emotion.) Anyhoot, good luck in your efforts, and enjoy.

Sorry, just thought i would add that yesterday I found this: http://enneagramassociation.org/imag...ELS.ARTHUR.pdf
And I'm feeling like this is the right direction for me to go in, for understanding the enneagram, or something like the enneagram. So ignore my request yesterday. I wouldn't want you to feel like your time/energy was being wasted with me. I will continue to read the tidbits I catch of your discussing this with others, though. I'm always open to new ways of looking at things, and I appreciate your efforts as you publicly work this out for yourself. They are good learning opportunities for me.

I've always had a problem with enneagram, trying to figure out how it would best describe me, and it consistently fails in terms of what I've found online. So a nontraditional approach is totally fine for me. If you're willing to share, I'd love to hear what you've come up with. Though I should warn that talking to me about enneagram might be like trying to teach an easily distracted child...as in ya can't assume I have prior understanding of a concept. I do prefer basic principles that can be arranged into a larger concept. I think thats why i have such a problem understanding the enneagram. The descriptions don't seem to come from any basic nodes. And if you don,t want to share (it's a lot of work, I know) then no problem. I can just continue to read the bits and pieces I catch. And i will reread what you wrote a few more times.

In the chatbox you said: "I guess personally I always felt like E6 descriptions sound too social instinct-like".
I totally agree. This has been my biggest issue with being typed e6 because when it gets to the alliances, authority, etc stuff, it stops applying to me.
(PS, if you delete this from your wall, i wont be offended, i didnt know what best way to say the above to you.)