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  1. Word. What normal people do is just boring anyways. What I remember so far is: It's good when I go to bed around 10 and wake up around 7 randomly. I feel sort of fresh after that. Dunno if that works these days, needs some scientific testing.

    Hmm.~ How much physical activity do you have on average?

    Now those are scary dreams there. Wouldn't you want to imagine something more pleasant than negative emotions, or is it difficult to guide? I know it's just and example & the emotions are not real, but still. My dreams are about both feelings and emotions usually, if you combine them it gets intense. Are you some enneagram type 6 or 5? Just a random thought, those types get into really angsty things. 6?9 tritype, something like that. You know, while we're at it with typing you as SLI, this is the final touch I'm also curious about your instinct stacking. Self-pres first for sure with your proficiency in daily life maintenance things, SP/SX maybe fits. But I don't know if you read into those things and are even interested so give me a sign. <3
  2. I don't think you're going to figure out exactly how much sleep you need or the exact best time to go to bed by looking externally for answers. There are averages across populations but your needs won't necessarily be the same as that average, you will have to experiment to find out.

    It is increased body temperature, not increased room temperature. My muscles ache because they are tired from use throughout the day.

    I don't really experience sentiments, just emotions, like happy, sad, anxious, etc. in reaction to what I'm experiencing in the daydream. They come from me because I am placing myself into the daydream, it's not merely something I'm watching or thinking about. So for example if I am being held at gunpoint in my daydream I will actually feel anxious, but it's a kind of pseudo-anxiety because I know it is from the daydream and not real life.
  3. Looked it up, 8 hours is still valid for my age (20) but I should rather calculate the 90 minute REM cycles within those hours, you probably heard about the method. Used to do that when I was younger, and it worked fairly well until my rhythms changed through staying up late. I see, is it because you yourself have increased body temperature by then or it's really just your room? Alrighty, noted: "Zombie brain effect kicks in" Your muscles start to hurt then, how come? Headache, good point. I stare into oblivion all day so that's eliminated as a criterium, the idea I had was rather having a tense back. Which makes sense, the spine contracts during the day. Humans are a bit like accordions

    It's possible for my imagination to switch it around as I please, I can be myself as well as watch myself, or someone else. I also see snapshots or short movements rather than a movie. It's like being a fashion photographer going around the model and advising different stances while getting different angles at the same time. That's probably socionics related, IEEs have static holographical-panoramic cognition. What types of sentiments are those? I would say feelings exclude since the latter is more outside of oneself picking up moods, as well as expressing one's own fully, making one's state heard. There's a big difference between personal feelings (Fi) and emotions (Fe). Or do emotions appear in your dream, too? When you say you feel it like your own, where do they come from? Now that's interesting, your bodily state transfers to your imagination!

    Hm... so balance is needed. That's a perk, your dreaming alerts you about it. Probably right during the REM stages in the middle of the night as you saw in the chart, that's when chances increase that you'll be awake. I own a little fan indeed! *^* Will put that one to use. Right, I thought about the noise as well, but when you say that you can get used to it then it's probably fine.

  4. I do expect that sleep needs would change with age. Anyways, signs are probably different for everyone, but I've noticed that when I'm very sleepy I start to feel like it's too hot in the room and want to take my sweater off. I also may feel more relaxed but enjoy things less and basically feel like a zombie going through the motions while my brain is turning to mush. My muscles sometimes become sore and achy. My breathing feels slowed. I feel like I could sit in one position and just stare, doing nothing, for a long time. Sometimes I start to get a headache if I've stayed up too late.

    When you daydream, do you feel like you're in the body of the protagonist, or do you simply watch the protagonist as if you were watching a movie? For me it's the former. My daydreams are Si and Fi/Fe heavy, I experience sensations and feelings as if they were my own. Real life tiredness can leak into my daydreams and make me want to lie down in my daydreams.

    Temperature can be very important for sleep, for me it can make the difference between falling asleep almost right away and not being able to sleep at all. Sometimes I will wake up in the middle of the night if it's too hot or too cold (sometimes it leaks into my dreams too, like dreaming that I've fallen into icy water if it's too cold in the room). An AC unit would be fairly expensive. A good cheap alternative would be a simple box fan pointed at your bed. I used to use one every night. The cold helped me sleep but it also had the added bonus of drowning out background noises. I found that the noise from the box fan seemed to help me sleep as it was relaxing once I got used to it.
  5. Okay lil' mochi Wasn't the required length of sleep also correlated with one's age? I tried this strategy already, aiming for an earlier time, but yeah the Internet is tricky you got it. I do better knowing when my body says: okay, rest please. What are some typical signs? Sounds weird but I tend to miss it, too much in my head. Yeah yeah yawning and heavy eyes are obvious but what else is there? I'm not so much aware of the more subtle things because I'm distracted by crazy imaginations about poke, the collective unconscious, Gay Jesus, all three combined, and whatnot.

    Ahh, the sleep hormone thing with the light. I'd have an issue as well but my lamps are dim, so are my laptop/phone screens when I regulate them. Maybe not the best for eye health though, I'm not sure. Sleep mask yeah good idea, but I got thick curtains. Although when I would go to bed around 9/10 which is not what I usually do, it could happen that I maybe need it Daydreaming is already default!! I have my magnificent somnific plots to go through but a sleeping movie would be new. Could really adopt that. Agh, I forgot about the temperature. AC is not available, German houses don't have that. Yeah, you are probably baffled now. At least our climate is continental. Dunno if buying/installing an AC would be worth it? I have this problem that I am accustomed (...attached...) to a bigger and heavier blanket that I can't sleep without, no matter how much of a sauna the room is. Still need a solution for this. I probably should install some permanent iceberg in a corner. Breath: makes sense, will try.
  6. You're welcome. ^^ I wouldn't say 8 hours is the minimum. Some people need more sleep and some need less, generally somewhere in the 7-9 range. You have to consider when you're going to wake up so you know how early you should plan to be in bed, as a general guideline. If you know you're getting up at 6am for instance, and you want 8 hours of sleep, then you should plan to be in bed by 10, or earlier if you take a while to fall asleep. If you don't make it by 10, it's not a big deal. But you should aim for getting enough sleep most nights. If you have to get up at 6 every morning, and you're having trouble getting to bed by 10 because there's always one more post or one more youtube video, etc., then aim for 9 and see what happens. If you aim for 9 and end up in bed at 10, then it worked.

    If you want to fall asleep fast, the general recommendation is to avoid using computers, tv, or other screens within an hour of bedtime. For some people (like me) that just isn't going to work. I find that making sure the room is dark enough when you sleep is helpful though. If you can't get it dark enough, you could try a sleep mask. If your thoughts are keeping you up, it can help to daydream about resting or sleeping, meaning that if you're the protagonist in a movie-like daydream, you can have yourself lie down on a bed within that daydream. In order to fall asleep, the room should be fairly cold, so it helps to turn up the AC. If you feel hot or want to throw off some blankets, it's not cold enough. The room should be cold enough that it would feel a bit too cold to sleep without any blankets, and comfortable when you sleep under the covers/blankets. When you start to fall asleep, your breathing will slow a bit. If you want to speed the process, you can on your own slow your breathing to that point.


  7. Ohhhh wow thanks...! The advice was really good, also with the personal perspective. If 8 hours is the minimum, what's the maximum? Or does the body just get as much as it needs naturally if you try to stick to at least "8-12" and listen to your... fatigue? I don't like rules and inflexible schedules either so it probably works. Interesting, I noticed the same trend with me here, finish first and then go to bed. What are activities one should or shouldn't necessarily carry out before sleeping so you can 1) fall asleep fast and 2) rest and regenerate well?
  8. Can't say I'm a sleep expert but generally medical articles tend to recommend going to bed somewhere between 8 and 12, depending on what works for you. Probably the best time is when your body begins to feel sleepy, as that would be a good indication of when your body expects sleep. I've heard that it's best to go to bed at the same time each night, though personally I don't do that as sticking to a strict routine is not something I would like. Sleep is important but for me it's not such a high priority that I would drop whatever I'm doing to go to bed at a planned time, usually I tend to get absorbed in whatever I'm doing and I want to finish that. So I tend to just go with the flow and sleep when I feel like it, sometimes that's 11 and sometimes it's 2. I try to make sure I get at least 8 hours per night in general, but I'm not into strict routines and sleep schedules, seems like it would cause a lot of frustration and loss of freedom while not making much difference. I have a time in mind that I try to go to bed by most days, but it's just a general guideline and not a rule, I won't force it if I don't want to go to bed at that time.
  9. /classic Chae entrance/



    (the shocked people in the background lmao)

    ´ello, I need advice, figured you had an idea. When's the healthiest time to sleep - also in relation to other things you'd do that day? Are there certain types of sleepers among ze humans? I don't know when and how it's the most comfortable and how it makes sense the most. I just find it problematic to sleep normally since I'm quite a night owl, and university classes are always in the afternoon so there's no reason to try some "capitalistic routine" () thing but I don't sense it's really good for my well-being whatever I try. Or maybe it depends one some other factors? Either way, grazie if you have a clue.
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