Conversation Between peteronfireee2 and FreelancePoliceman

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  1. Nah. You are greatly misled, they are from Jesus, who is God in the human flesh.

    The whole point of Jesus and His resurrection was for him to die for the sins of the world. He did all of that on the cross.

    BTW, it's impossible for us to determine "how good enough" one is in obeying Jesus. We're all prone to falling to sin and failing over and over. Hence Jesus.
  2. It's the whole point of Jesus, according to Paul -- not according to Jesus. If you consider Jesus to be God, or even if you consider him merely a messenger of God, you might consider examining his message more closely, rather than relying on Paul, whom the author of 2nd Peter described as "difficult to understand," and liable to be interpreted in a destructive fashion.

    Another instance: "If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” Faith-alone isn't a doctrine preached by Jesus. Anyway, I won't continue to bother you unless you'd like to keep this conversation going.
  3. If you actually read the Bible, this is apparent.

    There is a right interpretation of everything God says, and it is our job to discern that meaning, which means not being an armchair critic and creating an interpretation to suit our tastes.

    This comes through deep study and meditation on His truth.

    If you attend church, ask your pastor to help you.
  4. And why do you believe that? Let me guess: Paul?
  5. Incorrect.

    It is through Christ and Christ alone, that we are saved. Not through our works. Works follows faith. It's a byproduct of faith.

    You are conflating discipleship with belief/faith.

    And that translation is from the KJV, which is accurate btw
  6. A more accurate translation of the quote in your signature would be "obey" for "believe." The verb translated as "believe," "pisteuo," could also mean "obey," and that this is the correct meaning is indicated by its later contrast with the verb "apeitheo," which means "to not obey," and has no sense of "to not believe." Unfortunately that verse has become so well known in its current rendition that most translations don't change it, even though their translators ought to know better.

    "Believe" denotes that you have to just "accept Jesus into your heart" or something in order to receive eternal life. But Jesus is quite clear that "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word..." For Jesus, it's not a matter of simply "believing," but actually obeying his instruction.
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