• Philosophical Motivations of Types by V. Gulenko

    Published by V.V. Gulenko, Kiev, 13.06.1992. Original article.
    Notes: Only part 6 of this article titled "Philosophy of Types" has been translated.
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    6. Philosophy of Types


    The problem of incentives is closely related to the problem of existential motifs. This is a deeper and more abstract category, which I, as a representative of intuitive thinker class, would like to address in conclusion of this article. Each sociotype has its own existential outlook - a philosophically-oriented generalized concept of the driving force that directs other people and the world at large. From this particular interpretation it will follow how a type chooses to solve the question of the primacy of the material and the ideal. Those sociotypes whose motivation is primarily of material nature, I will conditionally call "materialists". All sensing types fall under this category. The opposing group of types, whose inner motivations are predominantly idealistic in nature, I will call "idealists". This group is comprised of all of the intuitive types.

    As is known in philosophy, idealism can be divided into two branches - objective idealism, which recognizes in one shape or form the idea of god - external supra-material instance that governs the world, and subjective idealism, which supposes that our notions of the world are that which gives rise to it.

    According to Jung, objective-oriented types are extraverts, subjective-oriented types are introverts. Consequently objective idealism is the philosophy of intuitive extraverts while subjective idealism - of intuitive introverts. In analogous manner this can be applied to the "materialist" sensing group: sensing introverts are thus subjective materialists while sensing extraverts are objective materialists. Different philosophical schools of thoughts will be treated rather loosely here, however, I am doing this for one purpose - to systematize existing observations about motivation of behavior on 16 levels.
    Note: One should not forget that what is discussed here concerns motivations of types rather than concrete individuals - representatives of different types can embrace any philosophy.

    Lets proceed to examine each type:


    1. Objective idealists (ENxx)

    - The Mentor (EIE): god, fate, destiny rule the world. This type is one of the most oriented at mysticism and religion, honestly believing in its own messiahood, seeing itself as a missionary for forces cosmic or divine.

    - The Inventor (ILE): the universe is ruled by a universal intelligence. This sociotype more than others believes in ability of human mind to comprehend the most complex phenomena, in intelligent design of the objective world, in that it can be explained from the point of view of precise laws of logic. ("God does not play dice" - Einstein)

    - The Psychologist (IEE): world is governed by a feeling that is more powerful than the individual; this is one of the most altruistic types that is capable of helping people not asking for anything in return. This type has a strong predisposition for empathy.

    - The Entrepreneur (LIE): the creator of everything is living nature. This sociotype animates nature, itself becoming a dualist i.e. recognizing in equal measures the material and the idealistic beginnings that unite in the natural realm.


    2. Subjective idealists (INxx)

    - The Analyst (LII): the world is governed by a thought («Cogito ergo sum» - Descartes). If people come to understand the systematized laws that govern the society, then society can be structured with fairness. The most constructive of all sociotypes, supposing that any phenomenon can be defined by universal prime elements (archetypes, Forms, a priori categories) and the connections between them.

    - The Critic (ILI): the world is governed by chance. Objective measures do not exist. Everything is relative and determined by probability. This type is most predisposed towards agnosticism of the intellect ("I only know that I know nothing" - Socrates). Knowledge is possible only when one attains complete inner clality and tranquility that can be achieved via meditation.

    - The Lyrisist (IEI): the world is governed by state, mood. This type possesses the most malleable type of psyche. It is strongly influenced by its own internal disposition. Because of this it is very easy to persuade this type in any issue if one is persistent enough. However, it will just as easily discard beliefs that were imposed on it.

    - The Reconciler (EII): the world is ruled by kindness. The type that is most predisposed to compassion, even if its words and feelings are not realized as actions. This type has idealistic notions about kindness and fairness and that if everybody abides by these notions in everyday life this will lead towards a more humanitarian society. However, these have to come from the depths of individual's soul rather than be imposed from the outside.


    3. Objective materialists (ESxx)

    - The Marshall (SLE): the world is ruled by power and strength. Most resolute of all sociotypes. Will enter an engagement only when he is sure that he has advantage in force or has found a weakness in the enemy forces. Objective reality, given to this type via his senses – this is what he trusts. Everything else is an illusion.

    - The Politician (SEE): world is governed by connections, fame and prestige. Most cautious one of all sociotypes, as it learns everything through mistakes that have been made. It moves forward exploring its way by touch and trusting only its senses. Words, concepts, ideas – all of these are only instruments for exerting influence on people.

    - The Enthusiast (ESE): the world is ruled by impulse, fervor, attraction. The most emotive of all types capable of influencing the moods of others. This type can be considered to be part of idealist group, as it is able to do only that which it finds likable. However, its dependence on the emotional state of others is quite material.

    - The Administrator (LSE): the world is governed by labor, by work. This type has the most materialistically directed type of psyche. It will base its argument only on existing knowledge and laws. Completely dependent on the process of work, subjugating its own plans to it. Will reject any theories or schemes if they are not presented in a form of already established methods.


    4. Subjective materialists (ISxx)

    - The Inspector (LSI): the world is governed by order and discipline. This type is most dependent on organization of its concrete environment, completely subjugating itself to its adopted system. Every major alternative is rejected since deviation from accepted and polished system is equivalent to losing foothold and descending into uncontrollable chaos.

    - The Guardian (ESI): the world is governed morality and moral duty. This type of mentality more than any other depends on its internal moral attitudes. The individual is in the right to treat others as they deserve. The existing system of relations and moral values is protected from any impositions from outside. Even objectively provoked passion can be brought under control at will.

    - The Mediator (SEI): the world is ruled by pleasure. This sociotype will only do work that is pleasant and not tiresome. Quite conforming in behavior, this type easily adapts to the others believing that people will positively reciprocate if only an atmosphere of comfort is created and something is offered that will improve the pleasantness of their lives.

    - The Craftsman (SLI): the world is ruled by usefulness. In accordance with its philosophy this type will not do anything that it perceives as useless for itself and will never offer this to others. The principle of minimal action by which the physical world lives is its principle as well. As the most technologically-minded type, this type believes that the best argument is the one that appeals to the common sense of man.
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    Comments 28 Comments
    1. Adam Strange's Avatar
      Adam Strange -
      I believe there is a typo in section 4. The Inspector should be type (SLI), not (LSI), and the Craftsman should be type (LSI), not (SLI).
    1. Pookie's Avatar
      Pookie -
      Inspector is Lsi, Craftsman Sli.
    1. ouronis's Avatar
      ouronis -
      No typo
    1. silke's Avatar
      silke -
      The original says Inspector is LSI, Craftman is SLI: http://socionics.kiev.ua/article/garant/

      Plug this text into google translator:

      — Инспектор (LF, ЛСИ): миром правит порядок, дисциплина. Наиболее зависящий от организации конкретного пространства социотип, всецело подчиняющийся заведенной системе. Любая крупная альтернатива отвергается, поскольку отход от отработанной структуры для него равносилен потере точки опоры, неуправляемому хаосу.
      ...
      — Мастер (SP, СЛИ): миром правит польза. В соответствии со своей философией он сам ничего для себя бесполезного делать не станет и другим никогда не предложит. Принцип наименьшего действия, по которому живет физический мир, — это его принцип. Как наиболее технологично мыслящий тип, он полагает, что главный аргумент — это апелляция к здравому смыслу человека.
    1. Myst's Avatar
      Myst -
      Adam Strange: read up on socionics more, I'm no craftsman for sure.
    1. Enoch's Avatar
      Enoch -
      Excellent article!
    1. Jarno's Avatar
      Jarno -
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
      I believe there is a typo in section 4. The Inspector should be type (SLI), not (LSI), and the Craftsman should be type (LSI), not (SLI).
      amateur

      :-)
    1. Adam Strange's Avatar
      Adam Strange -
      Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
      Adam Strange: read up on socionics more, I'm no craftsman for sure.
      Hi, Myst and silke.
      I'm only basing my statement on two things.
      One, in Myers-Briggs, the ISTJ (SLI) is an Inspector and the ISTP (LSI) is a craftsman, and
      Two - I lived with a woman (and loved her) who was an LSI, and she kept a portable electric rotary saw in the trunk of her car before starting a small farm and building her own house and outbuildings, and I was married for many years to an SLI, and she inspected everything, including computer programs she and others designed at the University and getting into my tax returns and calling the IRS about things she didn't understand about them before we were married. My ex-wife couldn't nail two boards together.

      Here is a video about the ISTP:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55LmENGRd58 Note the use of the word "Craftsman" in the first 40 seconds.

      Here is a video about the ISTJ:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_SB6AbFyb4 Note the use of the word "Inspector" in the first 40 seconds.

      Yes, I know that Myers-Briggs is not Socionics blah blah blah....... I just lived with both types for a long time. What do I know?

      Is there a possibility that the original article has a misprint? Just a small possibility? Maybe? What do you think? I know that articles that are published in foreign journals by humans never have misprints, but maybe there was a warp in the space-time continuum and the article didn't make it through the fiber optic links intact.

      In all fairness, I could be wrong. But before I believe that, I will need some corroborative evidence. Not just, you need to "read up on Socionics more", please. Where are the links which support your belief? I'll be happy to read them, and to change my mind if the evidence supports it.
    1. ouronis's Avatar
      ouronis -
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
      Hi, Myst and silke.
      I'm only basing my statement on two things.
      One, in Myers-Briggs, the ISTJ (SLI) is an Inspector and the ISTP (LSI) is a craftsman, and
      Two - I lived with a woman (and loved her) who was an LSI, and she kept a portable electric rotary saw in the trunk of her car before starting a small farm and building her own house and outbuildings, and I was married for many years to an SLI, and she inspected everything, including computer programs she and others designed at the University and getting into my tax returns and calling the IRS about things she didn't understand about them before we were married. My ex-wife couldn't nail two boards together.

      Here is a video about the ISTP:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55LmENGRd58 Note the use of the word "Craftsman" in the first 40 seconds.

      Here is a video about the ISTJ:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_SB6AbFyb4 Note the use of the word "Inspector" in the first 40 seconds.

      Yes, I know that Myers-Briggs is not Socionics blah blah blah....... I just lived with both types for a long time. What do I know?

      Is there a possibility that the original article has a misprint? Just a small possibility? Maybe? What do you think? I know that articles that are published in foreign journals by humans never have misprints, but maybe there was a warp in the space-time continuum and the article didn't make it through the fiber optic links intact.

      In all fairness, I could be wrong. But before I believe that, I will need some corroborative evidence. Not just, you need to "read up on Socionics more", please. Where are the links which support your belief? I'll be happy to read them, and to change my mind if the evidence supports it.
      Sorry, don't have any links for you, but the ego IEs of each are conducive to the titles. LSI is inspector because they use Se to check up on a Ti system(vision of the world) and SLI is craftsman because they use Te to support a Si understanding(more pragmatic).
    1. Myst's Avatar
      Myst -
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
      Hi, Myst and silke.
      I'm only basing my statement on two things.
      One, in Myers-Briggs, the ISTJ (SLI) is an Inspector and the ISTP (LSI) is a craftsman, and
      Argh, don't mix two separate models mindlessly like that. MBTI != Socionics. This is why I said you need to read up on Socionics. Yep. You do need to do so. Forget MBTI while you do that.

      Btw, I type TiSe in MBTI too but I fucking hate that stupid craftsman label, it's so totally not me. Ah, fuck all these typology labels, they are all silly.


      Two - I lived with a woman (and loved her) who was an LSI, and she kept a portable electric rotary saw in the trunk of her car before starting a small farm and building her own house and outbuildings, and I was married for many years to an SLI, and she inspected everything, including computer programs she and others designed at the University and getting into my tax returns and calling the IRS about things she didn't understand about them before we were married. My ex-wife couldn't nail two boards together.
      Lol if I had to choose between these two then I'm much more like your ex wife. But I'm LSI for sure. I'd die from boredom doing that farming thing. I don't care about that sort of shit. Not saying LSI can't be interested in that but I'm not. Just to increase your incredibly small sample. Two people as a sample is meaningless if to be used as evidence for anything except if to refute a statement and I do agree that the labels are bollocks .


      Is there a possibility that the original article has a misprint? Just a small possibility? Maybe? What do you think? I know that articles that are published in foreign journals by humans never have misprints, but maybe there was a warp in the space-time continuum and the article didn't make it through the fiber optic links intact.
      No, no such small possibility. In socionics the labels are different than in MBTI. Again, I want to emphasize that I think all these typology labels are silly and too often meaningless. It's just clear that you've never read any socionics type descriptions before. So the suggestion to read up on it was quite relevant.

      I like the irony in your joke though


      In all fairness, I could be wrong. But before I believe that, I will need some corroborative evidence. Not just, you need to "read up on Socionics more", please. Where are the links which support your belief? I'll be happy to read them, and to change my mind if the evidence supports it.
      The corroborative evidence you will find when reading up on Socionics more. Good luck. You will find links below where I highlighted the point copying from the articles.

      Links:
      http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=LSI Logical Sensing Introtim, LSI, , ISTj, LF, Inspector, Pragmatist, or archetype Maxim Gorky.
      http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=SLI Sensing Logical Introtim, SLI, , ISTp, SP, Craftsman, Artisan, or archetype Jean Gabin.
    1. Jarno's Avatar
      Jarno -
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
      Hi, Myst and silke.
      I'm only basing my statement on two things.
      One, in Myers-Briggs, the ISTJ (SLI) is an Inspector and the ISTP (LSI) is a craftsman, and
      you switched J and P.

      The ISTP is called crafsman in mbti, and the SLI is called the mechanic in socionics. they are the same types.
      The ISTJ is called the inspector in both theories i think.

      anyways i don't want to go in that discussion anymore. i've said it, that's enough.
    1. Chae's Avatar
      Chae -
      Fascinating views. @AbZero @unsuccessfull Alphamale have a look at this article^

      And everyone else seeing this, do you relate?
    1. Tommy's Avatar
      Tommy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
      I believe there is a typo in section 4. The Inspector should be type (SLI), not (LSI), and the Craftsman should be type (LSI), not (SLI).

      Its an old post, so I hope you don't still believing that because the article is perfectly correct. If your ex fits better in the inspector, then she's LSI. I'm totally the SLI, I always appeal to common sense and I don't do anything that I see as useless.

      My brother is LSI…we are extremely similar on appearance and personality. The differences are in our values...he's pretty Beta and he basically live according social conventions, and I don't. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't seek for his own convenience too. He's fiercely individualistic, not so cooperative (not caregiver tendencies at all, mostly aggressive in his daily interactions), while I'm tons more helpful and cooperative at home.

      Also not saying that I'm a savage or something …but for sure ppl is surprised sometimes by my awkwardness and lack of social awareness. I just do what's necessary and I live skipping unnecessary stuff…like going to school for learning things or having a nice car. You don't know how much society (like friends or social: groups, status, image) is important for him (and how unimportant are for me), he's at the point of being under stress for not looking successful enough or not fulfilling the social standards (Fe value)...while I couldn't care less.

      Also he is lost and angry when not having a structure...in work, projects etc. Which is the opposite of me. I feel trapped and annoyed by structure, specially when its full of unnecessary (stupid) patterns, requirements or conventions that suffocate my individuality and will.

      Basically his life is routinely tidy while mine is routinely messy. Like he wake up everyday at the same hour, eats the same stuff, works at the same place, go to gym at the same hour, talks to the same friends...that kind of things that I don't do.

      I do what I feel like doing when I feel like doing it, according my own personal convictions.

      Thats basically the difference between J and P, rational/irrational dichotomy... That Js live in a much more structured/organized/planned life while Ps live in a much more spontaneous/adaptative/disorganized way.
    1. Heretic 007's Avatar
      Heretic 007 -
      - The Inventor (ILE): the universe is ruled by a universal intelligence. This sociotype more than others believes in ability of human mind to comprehend the most complex phenomena, in intelligent design of the objective world, in that it can be explained from the point of view of precise laws of logic. ("God does not play dice" - Einstein)
      Information is spread out and is able to decipher itself where it is organized like in brains or processors... and where we can find or process repeating trends and patterns. Maybe to a point.

      Something to add: We can outsource processing and reap the fruits.

      It's kind of ode for classical mechanics.

      Pretty much like me.
    1. Playing With Fire's Avatar
      Playing With Fire -
      I relate to both LIE and ESE, but in different fronts. LIE is how I see the world around me, ESE how I see my world. Both material and spiritual seem to have the same importance and weight to me, but personal interest and necessity drive the vast majority of where my attention and efforts go to. Unless at least of of those instincts are ignite, you'd be hard pressed getting me into anything.
    1. Heretic 007's Avatar
      Heretic 007 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Mars View Post
      I relate to both LIE and ESE, but in different fronts. LIE is how I see the world around me, ESE how I see my world. Both material and spiritual seem to have the same importance and weight to me, but personal interest and necessity drive the vast majority of where my attention and efforts go to. Unless at least of of those instincts are ignite, you'd be hard pressed getting me into anything.
      Super-egos have similar pattern but they look at it from opposite ends.

      I tend to resist external pressure (like just paying attention) just like SEEs. The problem is that I can't go easily both ways.
    1. thehotelambush's Avatar
      thehotelambush -
      It would help to know what year these articles are from. It seems Gulenko's views have changed considerably over the years.
    1. Aylen's Avatar
      Aylen -
      - The Lyricist (IEI): the world is governed by state, mood. This type possesses the most malleable type of psyche. It is strongly influenced by its own internal disposition. Because of this it is very easy [perhaps possible] to persuade this type in any issue if one is persistent enough. However, it will just as easily discard beliefs that were imposed on it
      - The Critic (ILI): the world is governed by chance. Objective measures do not exist. Everything is relative and determined by probability. This type is most predisposed towards agnosticism of the intellect ("I only know that I know nothing" - Socrates). Knowledge is possible only when one attains complete inner clarity and tranquility that can be achieved via meditation [trance].
      - The Mentor (EIE): god, fate, destiny rule the world. This type is one of the most oriented at mysticism and religion, honestly believing in its own messiahood, seeing itself as a missionary for forces cosmic or divine.
      - The Reconciler (EII): the world is ruled by kindness. The type that is most predisposed to compassion, even if its words and feelings are not realized as actions. This type has idealistic notions about kindness and fairness and that if everybody abides by these notions in everyday life this will lead towards a more humanitarian society. However, these have to come from the depths of individual's soul rather than be imposed from the outside.
      - The Psychologist (IEE): world is governed by a feeling that is more powerful than the individual; this is one of the most altruistic types that is capable of helping people not asking for anything in return. This type has a strong predisposition for empathy.
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    1. Pallas's Avatar
      Pallas -
      Types of actual philosophers according to this article:

      Plato - LII
      Aristotle - LSI
      Nietzsche - SLE
      Schopenhauer - ESE
      Kant - ESI
      Goethe - LIE
      Schiller - SEI
      William James - SLI
      Dostoevsky - EIE
      Tolstoy - EII
      Marx - LSE

      You can understand anyone and anything easily this way. Typology and everything else is settled, final

      Now, which philosophy is correct according to the philosophy of MBTI?
    1. Aramas's Avatar
      Aramas -
      How about this: the world is governed by nothing.