• Stress Resistance Groups by Victor Gulenko

    Stress Resistance Groups by Victor Gulenko


    This is an exerpt from Victor Gulenko's article On Waves of Aging and Renewal: Progress Orientation in Combination with Jungian Aspects.
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    Among the 16 types of socion, we can delineate four groups of varying ability to resist stress. These groups are formed on basis of dichotomies "Rationality - Irrationality" and "Right(Process) - Left(Result)".

    Indicators of irrationality and leftedness (Result types) grant higher capacity for resistance to disadvantageous external influences. Irrationality allows for greater measure of flexibility for the human nervous system; irrational types have an easier time escaping stressful conditions, switching their attention between different thoughts, events and activities. Left (Result) types naturally presuppose and orient at sudden changes in their own path and direction, as well as irregular development of events, which increases their ability to resist stress.

    Rational, rightist (Process) types have the highest requirement for clarity and certainty, and a measured development of the situation that does not interfere with their arrangements. Irrational, left (Result) types have the easiest time dealing with situations where there is vagueness, instability, potential for haphazard development of some unplanned events.

    Result + Rational = mobilized by stress (democratic)
    Result + Irrational = resistant to stress (aristocratic)
    Process + Rational = vulnerable to stress (aristocratic)
    Process + Irrational = stopped by stress (democratic)

    Process Rational types: EIE(ENFj) EII(INFj) LSE(ESTj) LSI(ISTj) - vulnerable to stress

    This groups is the most unstable in conditions of prolonged stress. They are monolithic, but fragile. When they stick together they can successfully oppose hardships but separately they are easily scattered and taken out as their resistance drops sharply. They bear stress worse than the other types, especially stress of unexpected in nature. Despite their external stoicism, they always have poorly protected and vulnerable points and a need for a solid foundation. If this foundation is removed, they lose any resistance to stress they may have had. Stress threatens these types with challenging doubts and in the end leads them to break inside ("giants with feet of clay"). The defining element for their rational temperament is monolithicism.

    Taking into account that rationality is related to the orientation in time (planning, order) as well as to speech as form of communication, and that progress of right types is much more rational than progress of left types in nature, we conclude that this group of types is strongly dependent on the time factor and verbal signals.

    In dealing with these types, one can observe that they have anchors in time – they develop habits to do specifics actions at specific points in time. Their second dependency is related to the flow of speech. EIE and LSI, for example, need continuous stimulation of their auditory system.

    Result Irrational types: SLE(ESTp) IEI(INFp) SLI(ISTp) IEE(ENFp) - resistant to stress

    These types are elastic, springy. They are the most stress-resistant types which show resilience against immediate stress loads. Their advantage is that they perform well in extreme situations. They are mobilized by unexpected changes in situations – this gives them a new drive. Ability to work effectively in stressful environments adds a new trait to their temperament – elasticity. SLE and IEI maneuver and evade sudden blows. SLI and IEE wait the storm out in a safe location.

    These types have anchors in space – they develop habits to do specific actions at certain locations. For SLEs this is often their home, their territory. For SLIs this is their workplace where he feels relaxed and unrestrained.

    Process, Irrational types: ILE(ENTp) SEI(ISFp) ILI(INTp) SEE(ESFp) - halted, frozen by stress

    These types try to avoid stress. They are viscous. Their communicative environment is similar to a glue-like mass. They have a tendency to lose their resistance to stress over time – at first they react vigorously to a stimulus, but then subside. These types are able to resist stress for quite some time, but with each new wave of stress their strengths dissipate and they change their method of resistance to withdrawal, interiorizing their worries and anxieties. This adds a unique trait to their temperament – viscosity.

    These types as irrational ones are inclined to develop habits in connection to space. However due to their right-ness they place less emphasis on spatial anchors. Kinesthetic sensations are of significance for them: reflexes, touch, smell, taste.

    Result Rational types: ESE(ESFj) LII(INTj) ESI(ISFj) LIE(ENTj) - mobilized, trained by stress

    These types easily withstand small amounts of stress. They are stopped only by very fundamental shocks and even then only for a short while. Life is constantly training these types, making them more hardened (ESE, LIE) or more tolerant (ESI, LII). This is especially evident with the optimists LIE and ESE, who may find themselves restarting their lives from complete zero. Inside they are as if holding light wireframe structures. An additional component to the temperament of these types - crystalinity.

    How do these types build anchors? An anchor to a specific moment in time is not sufficient for them to develop a stable habit. For additional stability a visual anchor is also needed. These types are convinced not only by orderly process of events in time, but also by visual signals. ESE and ESI for example when they see disorder or an unkempt sickly person take measures immediately. LII and LIE start acting if they see signals of emotional response.


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    Comments 23 Comments
    1. Blaze's Avatar
      Blaze -
      i am not 100% sure of this interpretation of type relationship to stress. for example ILE and SEE bring all kinds of added stress to their lives due to their chaotic nature, so how can they be frozen by stress when they seek it out?
    1. Beautiful sky's Avatar
      Beautiful sky -
      I agree with his article from my personal experience, living with an LSE and from personal observations that my dual pair is not comfortable with stress.
    1. HandiAce's Avatar
      HandiAce -
      Interesting. I'm an IEE and yet I am anything but resistant to stress. I find that stress either discourages me or makes me do things productive I wouldn't do otherwise...
    1. Myst's Avatar
      Myst -
      this is just more gulenko bullshit, really.
    1. silke's Avatar
      silke -
      Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
      this is just more gulenko bullshit, really.
      this is just more SLE supervision over LII bullshit, really
    1. The Exception's Avatar
      The Exception -
      I would have to stay process/irrational describes me the best overall with some result/rational thrown in there.
    1. Myst's Avatar
      Myst -
      Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
      this is just more SLE supervision over LII bullshit, really
      Heh uh
    1. silke's Avatar
      silke -
      Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
      Heh uh
      Just noticed SLEs tend to discount Gulenko's work and LSIs don't really get into his articles in the first place. Not sure why he doesn't have any appeal for Beta STs. For IEIs it's a completely different story ...
    1. Pookie's Avatar
      Pookie -
      Stress
      Aristocratic Irrationals (Result) > Democratic Rationals (Result) > Democratic Irrationals (Process) > Aristocratic Rationals (Process)
    1. Myst's Avatar
      Myst -
      Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
      Just noticed SLEs tend to discount Gulenko's work and LSIs don't really get into his articles in the first place. Not sure why he doesn't have any appeal for Beta STs. For IEIs it's a completely different story ...
      Well I didn't get into his articles. I read only bits to make my judgment. I can't/won't read further, it'd just hurt my head, the bullshit. What's that then

      Why it doesn't have appeal to me is the issue with Gulenko making up invalid connections between things to build his concepts that are not anchored to reality properly. He must be a very biased person for not noticing the correlations he builds on are so weak and probably entirely non-existent in many cases. Where he tries to deduce things logically it's using assumptions and invalid concepts again so the conclusions are wrong as well. It all ends up in a framework that won't work in reality and is especially useless for making any sort of meaningful prediction.

      To summarize, as we agreed on this before, the core issue is that he assumes the socionics IE's explain everything about the brain's workings. I'm exaggerating when I'm saying "everything" but seriously I thought he had formal education in psychiatry and then he does this?
    1. Pookie's Avatar
      Pookie -
      In my observation its fairly accurate.
    1. bolong's Avatar
      bolong -
      Yeah, this is bullshit.

      As IEI I'm only mobilized by extremely unexpected changes when there's nothing else happening and I'm bored by the routine or I'm on a boring vacation. After writing that out it seems NTR. When I'm actually working towards something, trying to achieve something, the last thing I want is some unexpected change.

      And LSIs are steadfastly stress resistant, so are EIIs.

      And lately I've seen about 3 IEEs crash and burn spectacularly when the stress was amped up.
    1. Myst's Avatar
      Myst -
      Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
      In my observation its fairly accurate.
      Okay we will have to discuss this more Pretty sure "fairly accurate" is far from the truth


      Quote Originally Posted by maithili View Post
      Yeah, this is bullshit.

      As IEI I'm only mobilized by extremely unexpected changes when there's nothing else happening and I'm bored by the routine or I'm on a boring vacation. After writing that out it seems NTR. When I'm actually working towards something, trying to achieve something, the last thing I want is some unexpected change.

      And LSIs are steadfastly stress resistant, so are EIIs.

      And lately I've seen about 3 IEEs crash and burn spectacularly when the stress was amped up.
      That's the issue I take with it too, personally I relate more to what you write here about LSIs than what's stated in the article.

      But the bigger issue is that even strictly logically viewing it - giving it the benefit of the doubt that there are too many confounding variables when observing non-scientifically - it isn't a proper framework.
    1. kopyk's Avatar
      kopyk -
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifragile#Introduction "The resilient resists shocks and stays the same; the antifragile gets better" reminds me of stress resistance in socionics.
    1. carrina's Avatar
      carrina -
      Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
      i am not 100% sure of this interpretation of type relationship to stress. for example ILE and SEE bring all kinds of added stress to their lives due to their chaotic nature, so how can they be frozen by stress when they seek it out?
      I doubt what they are seeking out is stress. I also doubt that spontaneity causes them stress. Things that cause stress for them will not cause stress for other types.
    1. Beautiful sky's Avatar
      Beautiful sky -
      SEE friend: A job opportunity came up in Washington. I'm moving in 3 months
      Me: you have a good job here
      SEE friend: I'll be making 10 grand more
      Me: but you will be away from people who love you and provide support and your job here is stable. Is this other job stable
      SEE friend: they've been around for three years. Besides you have to take risks to see where you can go
      Me: *thinking to myself This is ridiculous. Why can't you stay in one place and area for the long haul.
      ME: when you come back you can always stay with me
    1. Tigerfadder's Avatar
      Tigerfadder -
      I believe I find that LIE accumulate stress right before doing activity or making decisions. Overall LIE seem to be low stress type except for this.
    1. Pallas's Avatar
      Pallas -
      I think "stress reaction" is really just placement (getting things done) and placement (attention to comfort) to be honest. Gulenko needs to find some more uses for his already...
    1. FDG's Avatar
      FDG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
      I think "stress reaction" is really just placement (getting things done) and placement (attention to comfort) to be honest. Gulenko needs to find some more uses for his already...
      No I don't think so, LSI and ESIs can get a lot more stressed than IEEs or ILEs. Some N types are just great at intuitively getting out of stressful situations by changing jobs, maneuvering the right people, waiting, etc etc

      LSIs are not particularly robust towards unexpected changes, they may prefer not to change strategy when it's actually needed to avoid further stress afterwards. It's not a big fault, but it's indeed there.
    1. Pallas's Avatar
      Pallas -
      Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
      No I don't think so, LSI and ESIs can get a lot more stressed than IEEs or ILEs. Some N types are just great at intuitively getting out of stressful situations by changing jobs, maneuvering the right people, waiting, etc etc
      I mean how much people can bear, not how good they are at practically dealing with it, sort of like pain tolerance but psychological (psychological and physical pain are basically the same thing apparently).