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  • The Hidden Agenda and Point of Least Resistance (PoLR)

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    "Hidden Agenda" aka Activating Function


    Notes: Hidden agenda (HA for short) is also known as activating function. Activating function is considered to be 2-dimensional, encompassing parameters of experience and norms, and inert. Thus a person usually has some difficulty or weakness differentiating and handling information received on this channel and will unconsciously seek it in others. Information verbalized on this channel often seems too simplified and inadequate to those who have the person's HA as their own well-developed Ego function.

    Hidden agenda function is most prominent in people of inert/leading function subtype, and for this reason it often gets mistaken for their leading function in typing process. The function balances the creative function, provides it with a kind of a "launching pad". Since leading function subtype has weakened creative function, it is their hidden agenda that receives extra accentuation, making it liable to be mistaken for base.

    Relevant discussions:

    Hidden Agenda/Activating Function - general discussion and examples
    The "pathetic" hidden agenda
    Subtypes and Hidden Agenda
    Mistypings due to confusing hidden agenda for leading function
    Hidden Agenda and Attraction to Things/Objects/People
    Strength of Hidden Agenda Function
    PoLR vs Role vs Hidden Agenda
    Hidden agenda musing of SLIs and SLEs
    Fi Hidden Agenda
    Fi Hidden Agenda of ISTps
    Hidden Agenda of ISTps and ENFps
    Ti Hidden Agenda
    Ti Hidden Agenda of INFps
    Ti Hidden Agenda of ISFps
    Fe Hidden Agenda
    Fe Hidden Agenda of ESTps
    Te Hidden Agenda of ENFps
    Ni Hidden Agenda
    Si Hidden Agenda
    Si Hidden Agenda in INTjs
    Se Hidden Agenda in ENTjs
    Se Hidden Agenda in ENFjs


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    "Point of Least Resistance" aka Vulnerable Function

    Notes: Point of least resistance (PoLR) is also called vulnerable or painful function. It contains the information aspect that directly opposes the workings of one's creative function. It is also of opposite E/I-version of "Hidden Agenda" (e.g. if one's Hidden Agenda is Fi, then Fe will be the PoLR). Correspondingly, information relayed on this element has the reverse effect of activating function - it deactivates, demobilizes, slows, bores, or shuts one down. Vulnerable function is considered to be 1-dimensional, encompassing only the parameter of experience.

    Important to note: Even though there are two sociotypes that share the same PoLR, it will be expressed somewhat differently for each type i.e. the Ne-PoLR of LSI will not manifest quite in the same was as the Ne-PoLR of ESI. Thus it is more appropriate to discuss the PoLR of each type separately rather than treating them in the same manner. If you are reading about Ne-PoLR of LSI it should not be assumed that all of it translates in exactly same manner to the Ne-PoLR of ESI. These types are part of different chains of supervision and benefit in socionics and have different types influencing their PoLRs.

    Relevant discussions:

    Explain your PoLR with examples thread
    How do you cope with your PoLR?
    Examples of PoLR "Hits"
    Subtypes and PoLR
    Duality and PoLR
    Common PoLR Fallacies
    PoLR: greatest strength or greatest weakness?
    PoLR vs Role vs Hidden Agenda
    PoLR and Quadra identification

    Fe PoLR:
    General discussion of Fe Polr
    Examples of INTp Fe PoLR remarks
    ISTps and Fe PoLR

    Te PoLR:
    General discussion of Te Polr
    IEI Extroverted Thinking Polr

    Se PoLR:
    General discussion of Se Polr
    Se polr of INFjs
    Se Polr vs Se Creative
    INFjs switching to Se PoLR

    Ne PoLR:
    Ne PoLR of ISTj
    General discussion of Ne Polr
    ESI/LSI Ne PoLR differences
    Ne PoLR vs Ne Ignoring
    Theory of Ne PoLR

    Fi PoLR:
    General discussion of Fi Polr

    Ti PoLR:
    General discussion of Ti Polr
    SEEs what do you think of Ti-types?
    Ti PoLR in ENFp

    Si PoLR:
    General discussion of Si Polr
    Si Polr vs Si Role
    ENFj Si Polr and Se hidden agenda
    Si PoLR of EIEs
    Si PoLR of LIEs
    What is annoying to Si Polr?

    Ni PoLR:
    General discussion of Ni Polr
    Ni polr in ESFjs
    Ni polr in ESTjs

    Mixed PoLR:
    Ti and Te PoLRs
    Fe and Fi PoLRs
    Te PoLR vs Fe PoLR
    Examples of Ti and Ne PoLR

    Minimalist supervision descriptions

    The supervisor notices the weakness of supervisee in the PoLR function.

    ESFj on ISTp: "can't behave properly and never wants to do anything"
    ENTp on ISTj: "logical but no imagination, no lateral thinking, would be lost without an instruction manual"
    INTj on ENFp: "lots of crazy, inconsistent ideas, always on the move but in all directions"
    ISFp on ENFj: "too restless and is all to no good purpose, at the same time is hopeless with real work"

    ENFj on INTp: "has no idea what impression s/he's making on others, hopeless"
    ESTp on INTj: "intelligent perhaps but no backbone and unfit for the real world"
    ISTj on ESFp: "makes absolutely no sense, totally chaotic, a loose cannon"
    INFp on ESFj: "says and does a lot without ever getting anywhere"

    ENTj on INFp: "lots of lofty goals but clueless as to how to get there, lives in dream world"
    ESFp on INFj: "too nice, no backbone, unfit for the real world"
    ISFj on ESTp: "how can anyone trust them?"
    INTp on ESTj: "rushes into doing things without knowing where to go"

    ESTj on ISFp: "lazy and can't do anything right"
    ENFp on ISFj: "set on their ways, without imagination, or always expecting the worst"
    INFj on ENTp: "how can anyone trust them?"
    ISTp on ENTj: "too restless and is all to no good purpose, at the same time is hopeless with real work"

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: The pathetic hidden agenda started by Expat View original post
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    Tags: activating function, ha, hidden agenda, mobilizing function, polr
    Comments 2 Comments
    1. glam's Avatar
      glam - 12-20-2011, 11:40 PM
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      lol, for a second i thought Expat was back
    1. Tigerfadder's Avatar
      Tigerfadder - 10-20-2016, 09:32 PM
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      Ne hidden agenda, surrounding self where there are only good outcomes.

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