Erotic Attitudes

Originally Posted by Chae

Your case is super difficult 8 SX naturally assumes those qualities so it's hard to distinguish. The question is, what's the information that you accept more: force or time estimation? Enneagram is all about the innate drive but the styles here actually describe what type of IE use is supposed to turn you the fuck on If you're EIE you might overestimate the Se part within the equation, if you're Se base then your attraction to would actually be obvious here.

You tell me

What do you mean by "accept"? Like what information that comes from others?

You know what turns me on by now, girl

Please elaborate on this idea, I wanna know if you mean what I think you do.

I do not like to cook. Sure, I can cook a meal here and there, but to plan a meal each and every day and spend the time cooking those meals make me bitterly depressed. Food should materialize out of thin air. Food should be magical. The way to a man's heart is through his stomach.

Originally Posted by LuckyOne

You tell me

What do you mean by "accept"? Like what information that comes from others?

You know what turns me on by now, girl

Please elaborate on this idea, I wanna know if you mean what I think you do.

Ok, I try to piece everything together.
Accept yes, in that way - but also search for. Socionics: information > behavior.
What turns you on is rather than since you provide it yourself, you just wrote something about chasing elsewhere You have a thing for as well.

I don't think I need to elaborate rather than add to it. What do you mean you think I mean? Lmao
The aggressor style is yours, now it's the question how you're either pseudo- Gamma or full on Beta. E8 is dominance and power quest, that aligns.

Originally Posted by Chae

Ok, I try to piece everything together.
Accept yes, in that way - but also search for. Socionics: information > behavior.
What turns you on is rather than since you provide it yourself, you just wrote something about chasing elsewhere You have a thing for as well.

I don't think I need to elaborate rather than add to it. What do you mean you think I mean? Lmao
The aggressor style is yours, now it's the question how you're either pseudo- Gamma or full on Beta. E8 is dominance and power quest, that aligns.

WellI don't need to be told about strength/willpower estimation or how to do something, I'm the one providing this answers to others.

About time estimation, I have issues with it in my own life, I'm very impulsive in general, but also can be too fearful when it comes to relationships, so sometimes the right moment seems to slip through my fingers. But weirdly it seem like this blockage is nonexistent when it pertains to things outside of me, I can estimate/predict events and people's moves well if the issue doesn't revolve around me specifically. If I'm out of the picture or am not the focus, I'm confident I know what's coming and I'm nearly always right, but make me the central character an dit all falls apart


Like an EIE might overestimate their assertiveness or initiative.


What's a Pseudo-Gamma and can someone be half a Beta?

Originally Posted by LuckyOne

WellI don't need to be told about strength/willpower estimation or how to do something, I'm the one providing this answers to others.

About time estimation, I have issues with it in my own life, I'm very impulsive in general, but also can be too fearful when it comes to relationships, so sometimes the right moment seems to slip through my fingers. But weirdly it seem like this blockage is nonexistent when it pertains to things outside of me, I can estimate/predict events and people's moves well if the issue doesn't revolve around me specifically. If I'm out of the picture or am not the focus, I'm confident I know what's coming and I'm nearly always right, but make me the central character an dit all falls apart


Like an EIE might overestimate their assertiveness or initiative.


What's a Pseudo-Gamma and can someone be half a Beta?

All indicators of SEE!

Pseudo-victim SFs are Gamma, they are not exactly the 100% conquest type and can await some clues from their NT Pseudo-Aggressors. The descriptions are a little fucked up but let's see, this could help:

Conquerors: SLE (ESTp) LSI (ISTj)
These are assertive types who do not flinch at their own sexuality. They will express their own desire without reservation. They are won over by direct shows of submission (only after feeling that they have earned it). He will be insulted if his romantic interest gives him his title without question, and bored if the fight is too easily won. He, like the Pseudo-Aggressor and the Challenger, is questing to find his equal. Someone he can play his almost sadistic games with without “breaking.”

Challengers/Trophies: EIE (ENFj) IEI (INFp)These are the types who unconsciously throw a “gauntlet” down for their opponents. They know on an almost subliminal level exactly who they are looking for, and anyone who does not fit the bill will be subjected to a rather flakey, hot-cold game of courting tag. As a result, they may appear (both to others and to themselves) rather amorphous and can take on qualities of the other romantic attitudes, depending on the situation and who they are “challenging.”
They may, for example, give the victim half his aggressor, the psuedo-aggressor a little victim, the caregiver a bit of his child, etc. They react best, however, to those who do not “break” as a result of their games, but grant them a level of autonomy. Healthy examples of this type will have a sense of self-esteem, and may think of themselves as the “prize” that will be given only to the rightful owner.

Psuedo-Aggressors/Employees: LIE (ENTj) ILI (INTp)These are types who exhibit aggressive tendencies in their everyday life, and as a result tend to carry over these notions and temperaments into their romantic life. They typically are not comfortable with connotations of the word “victim” - implying a certain weakness, effeteness, and lack of dignity. In searching for a partner, they are looking for a worthy opponent - someone who is strong enough to withstand their quirks without “breaking” so to speak.
Aggressors/Employers: SEE (ESFp) ESI (ISFj)
These types, like the conquerors, express their sexuality openly. In daily life they may tend to be rather submissive and as a result may tend to carry over these tendencies into their romantic life. They are won over by indirect acts of submission, and are thrilled when their love interest (in the case of the “psuedo-aggressor” type) acts unlike himself. In a partner, they are looking for their equal - someone whose solid facade they can break down piece by piece.

Half a Beta!! Well, that's like quasi-identity. I'm half Beta in a sense of being a "shadow EIE".
Concerning how I would sort you among these, either Challenger or Employer. You don't possess the relentless systematic force of the Beta STs and the quirks of the Gamma NTs.

Originally Posted by Chae

All indicators of SEE!

Pseudo-victim SFs are Gamma, they are not exactly the 100% conquest type and can await some clues from their NT Pseudo-Aggressors. The descriptions are a little fucked up but let's see, this could help:

Conquerors: SLE (ESTp) LSI (ISTj)
These are assertive types who do not flinch at their own sexuality. They will express their own desire without reservation. They are won over by direct shows of submission (only after feeling that they have earned it). He will be insulted if his romantic interest gives him his title without question, and bored if the fight is too easily won. He, like the Pseudo-Aggressor and the Challenger, is questing to find his equal. Someone he can play his almost sadistic games with without “breaking.”

Challengers/Trophies: EIE (ENFj) IEI (INFp)These are the types who unconsciously throw a “gauntlet” down for their opponents. They know on an almost subliminal level exactly who they are looking for, and anyone who does not fit the bill will be subjected to a rather flakey, hot-cold game of courting tag. As a result, they may appear (both to others and to themselves) rather amorphous and can take on qualities of the other romantic attitudes, depending on the situation and who they are “challenging.”

They may, for example, give the victim half his aggressor, the psuedo-aggressor a little victim, the caregiver a bit of his child, etc. They react best, however, to those who do not “break” as a result of their games, but grant them a level of autonomy. Healthy examples of this type will have a sense of self-esteem, and may think of themselves as the “prize” that will be given only to the rightful owner.

That's 95% correct

Psuedo-Aggressors/Employees: LIE (ENTj) ILI (INTp)These are types who exhibit aggressive tendencies in their everyday life, and as a result tend to carry over these notions and temperaments into their romantic life. They typically are not comfortable with connotations of the word “victim” - implying a certain weakness, effeteness, and lack of dignity. In searching for a partner, they are looking for a worthy opponent - someone who is strong enough to withstand their quirks without “breaking” so to speak.

Aggressors/Employers: SEE (ESFp) ESI (ISFj)
These types, like the conquerors, express their sexuality openly. In daily life they may tend to be rather submissive and as a result may tend to carry over these tendencies into their romantic life. They are won over by indirect acts of submission, and are thrilled when their love interest (in the case of the “psuedo-aggressor” type) acts unlike himself. In a partner, they are looking for their equal - someone whose solid facade they can break down piece by piece.

That sounds a lot alike the SLE/LSI example except that these types seem to see relationships are some sort of war or struggle, hence the "opponent" thing. I can definitely see this in ILIs (I know no LIEs), they resist relationships at first almost always, and tend to test the other person a lot before finally allowing themselves to be loved Most of them are the epitome of SP/SX too. Which is why I've always knew even before knowing anything about personality theory that I had zero interest or tolerance for this kind of people, especially males. I ain't knocking on nobody's door when they're prickly asses. Let them agonize over how ugly society and the world is to their hearts content with people who actually like their tsundere impressions, I want no part in that

Originally Posted by Chae

Half a Beta!! Well, that's like quasi-identity. I'm half Beta in a sense of being a "shadow EIE".
Concerning how I would sort you among these, either Challenger or Employer. You don't possess the relentless systematic force of the Beta STs and the quirks of the Gamma NTs.

That makes no sense to me, you're either part of a quadra or you're not, you can't be belong to two houses at once

Perhaps, like I've said so many times before, I find the whole notion of wanting to predict romantic and sexual compatibility between humans using either Socionics or MBTI theories hilarious. Enneagram yes, the pairs work 100% as they "should" based on not only myself but relationships I've observed throughout the years.

Originally Posted by LuckyOne

That's 95% correct

That sounds a lot alike the SLE/LSI example except that these types seem to see relationships are some sort of war or struggle, hence the "opponent" thing. I can definitely see this in ILIs (I know no LIEs), they resist relationships at first almost always, and tend to test the other person a lot before finally allowing themselves to be loved Most of them are the epitome of SP/SX too. Which is why I've always knew even before knowing anything about personality theory that I had zero interest or tolerance for this kind of people, especially males. I ain't knocking on nobody's door when they're prickly asses. Let them agonize over how ugly society and the world is to their hearts content with people who actually like their tsundere impressions, I want no part in that
That makes no sense to me, you're either part of a quadra or you're not, you can't be belong to two houses at once

Perhaps, like I've said so many times before, I find the whole notion of wanting to predict romantic and sexual compatibility between humans using either Socionics or MBTI theories hilarious. Enneagram yes, the pairs work 100% as they "should" based on not only myself but relationships I've observed throughout the years.

Hm... in that case we would come full circle, the first impression I wrote to you was SLE. Super-Ego for the two of us, why not. I'm still not seeing logical > ethical, do you have an opinion? You could still be SEE without liking your duals but hm, I see you have tested that out already Your preference of Beta NFs speaks the same language obviously. Yeah, SP/SX is not who matches you A social stacking is more like it, you won't find these among ILIs except a few contraflow ones. It's just weird that you dislike Ni long-term resistance? That's Se paradise!
Sure you can, in a Ti PoLR word where Te hard facts rule That's why typing is so hard in the first place, seeing what's valued/strong and unvalued/strong. Your anti-compatibility notion could be against Fi itself but I need to continue observing this particular aspect. How does enneagram have pairs?

Originally Posted by Chae

Hm... in that case we would come full circle, the first impression I wrote to you was SLE. Super-Ego for the two of us, why not. You could still be SEE without liking your duals but hm, I see you have tested that out already Your preference of Beta NFs speaks the same language obviously. Yeah, SP/SX is not who matches you A social stacking is more like it, you won't find these among ILIs except a few contraflow ones.
Sure you can, in a Ti PoLR word where Te hard facts rule That's why typing is so hard in the first place, seeing what's valued/strong and unvalued/strong. Your anti-compatibility notion could be against Fi itself but I need to continue observing this particular aspect. How does enneagram have pairs?

I don't accept "facts" that make no sense according to my observations I agree 200% with the bolded, though. I have nothing against Fi at all, since mine is good enough to make accept SEEs typings when I was being too impatient to deeply explore how it differed from Fe. I mean I LOVE SEEs and some ESIs. My experiences with Iees and EEIs are really mixed, though. My issue is when Fi causes people to either 1) lose their objectivity 2) project their feelings onto others or the worst offense, 3) try to moralize me.

According to research, it was found that there was a pattern in terms of marriages and their respective success following the couple's Enneagram types. Same types union are really rare except for types 4, for example. This page has a perfectly accurate chart according to my experience:http://www.similarminds.com/idealtypes.html


This one has very detailed analysis of every combination possible:
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t...-combinations/


I'd stay away from any article advocating for gender differences in picks and compatibilities, it really has no basis in reality by my own observations and my personal relationships.

Originally Posted by LuckyOne

I don't accept "facts" that make no sense according to my observations I agree 200% with the bolded, though. I have nothing against Fi at all, since mine is good enough to make accept SEEs typings when I was being too impatient to deeply explore how it differed from Fe. I mean I LOVE SEEs and some ESIs. My experiences with Iees and EEIs are really mixed, though. My issue is when Fi causes people to either 1) lose their objectivity 2) project their feelings onto others or the worst offense, 3) try to moralize me.

According to research, it was found that there was a pattern in terms of marriages and their respective success following the couple's Enneagram types. Same types union are really rare except for types 4, for example. This page has a perfectly accurate chart according to my experience:http://www.similarminds.com/idealtypes.html


This one has very detailed analysis of every combination possible:
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t...-combinations/


I'd stay away from any article advocating for gender differences in picks and compatibilities, it really has no basis in reality by my own observations and my personal relationships.

That made me giggle Now that's interesting, Imma keep that in mind. My idea would be not going off romantic styles here, open a new thread for your typing again. You regretted closing your old one, why not give it a fresh start! Did you see HotelAmbush's new questionnaire? That would be the one.

Thanks! Also on my mental list.
You are talking to a radical feminist, "gender" makes me burst out into evil laughter

Originally Posted by Chae

That made me giggle Now that's interesting, Imma keep that in mind. My idea would be not going off romantic styles here, open a new thread for your typing again. You regretted closing your old one, why not give it a fresh start! Did you see HotelAmbush's new questionnaire? That would be the one.

Thanks! Also on my mental list.
You are talking to a radical feminist, "gender" makes me burst out into evil laughter

Maybe I'll open one up later but I doubt it, seems absolutely unecessary. Indeed if you were bent on typing me by my Socionics ideal mate I'd be ILE since my two most successful relationships were with SEI-Si "Fun"fact: I did answer that questionnaire during our friendship "break" but before I hit the post button to open the thread my computer restarted and I lost it all

It's pretty clear what's going on here: me torn between what is and what is desired i.e. who I am vs who I think I'd like to be , and your PoLR shining very brightly through you "quest":

The ENFp loses interest in any subject, when only his curiosity is even superficially satisfied. And to excite this interest or somehow to deepen it it is already impossible: this theme, in opinion ENFp, is studied by him also it already enough is not going to come back to him as on light is so a lot of new and not studied. (ENFp very much are afraid to miss any new opportunities. Therefore do not dare "to jam" that for them already " the passed stage ".)

Unique way to keep interest ENFp this all time "to warm up" his curiosity: to fire up imagination, to intrigue, encourage, constantly to hold back something. In a word, " to hold on a hook " (that, actually, and does his dual ISTp).

ENFp is very inconsistent in the acts and reasonings. And personally he does not consider it as fault? To him so it is convenient, therefore he and acts, but to him it is inconvenient, when so others act, ENFp it is difficult, sometimes it is impossible to collect the thoughts. His attention is constant rassredotachivaetsja. Listening to explanations, easily seizes the general, frequently only superficial sense. Sometimes at ENFp there is an insuperable interest to the analysis of insignificant particulars (and these particulars seem to him supersignificant and necessary for deep and momentary understanding of an essence). Owing to which he withdraws an explanation aside, and sometimes in general breaks it, asking untimely or inappropriate questions and thus persistently demanding the answer to them. And statement of a question sometimes happens so absurd and ridiculous, that explaining at all always knows, how to it to react.

I mentioned this ages ago remember, how you always want everything to line up with the theory and fit perfectly with it even after your very clear admission that some parts of it are either pure bullshit or lacking a lot. It drives you crazy when you see any "contradiction". It also seems that at different times you decide I'm a certain type and then no matter how much I disagree with the material about it you post, the conversation keeps coming back to it. Right now you've decided I'm a Gamma and therefore SEE, even though I can't relate to their at all and can't stand my supposed dual. And I clearly can't let go of the notion I'm good in areas I'm not because idealized self =/= actual self hurts my pride and what I see=/= what others see indicates I'm not nearly as self aware as I'd like to be.

We're quite a pair, huh?

Originally Posted by LuckyOne

Maybe I'll open one up later but I doubt it, seems absolutely unecessary. Indeed if you were bent on typing me by my Socionics ideal mate I'd be ILE since my two most successful relationships were with SEI-Si "Fun"fact: I did answer that questionnaire during our friendship "break" but before I hit the post button to open the thread my computer restarted and I lost it all

It's pretty clear what's going on here: me torn between what is and what is desired i.e. who I am vs who I think I'd like to be , and your PoLR shining very brightly through you "quest":

I mentioned this ages ago remember, how you always want everything to line up with the theory and fit perfectly with it even after your very clear admission that some parts of it are either pure bullshit or lacking a lot. It drives you crazy when you see any "contradiction". It also seems that at different times you decide I'm a certain type and then no matter how much I disagree with the material about it you post, the conversation keeps coming back to it. Right now you've decided I'm a Gamma and therefore SEE, even though I can't relate to their at all and can't stand my supposed dual. And I clearly can't let go of the notion I'm good in areas I'm not because idealized self =/= actual self hurts my pride and what I see=/= what others see indicates I'm not nearly as self aware as I'd like to be.

We're quite a pair, huh?

Summa summarum abracadabra: type as you like now.



Self-awareness comes with time. Buddha said, defining yourself is like biting your own teeth Sure

@Chae

Buddha knew his shit.

Originally Posted by LuckyOne

@Chae

Buddha knew his shit.

^^^^^^

Originally Posted by Slugabed

Now THAT makes sense and explains a lot.
Like why my best friends are childlike types, or why it always seems like I've to "teach" stuff to my friends or my IEE, and why even being a caregiver I'm not "motherly" at all or even why I hate being a student. I'm actually a Teacher, which makes more sense. I really love sharing knowledge instead of "taking care" of others.

This is my impression of SLI as well, I usually ignore the 'taking care of something' part;

Originally Posted by Delilah

This is my impression of SLI as well, I usually ignore the 'taking care of something' part;

Yes, it's too stigmatized to take it seriously imo. Much like socionics "logic" is different from the daily use of the term.

Erotic attitudes is based on the perception element, so there should be an equal symmetry with the judging element. I was thinking religious POV attitude.

Also we would see that duals of judgement types have demonstrative elements of perception which make them do the erotic attitude yet not value it.

Originally Posted by Delilah

This is my impression of SLI as well, I usually ignore the 'taking care of something' part;

Yeah, well there is an obvious component of "caregiving", but I think that some people misinterpret the caregiver part. I prefer sharing knowledge and having fun...thats why I enjoy IEE and their childish inner being, they rise my cute secret feelings and my protective/caring side that otherwise remain hidden by my passionless,detached, bored and coldblooded/serious side. They switch my mood completely. And the "teaching" part I think its about sharing life experiences/knowledge or showing a good path on life more than the typical picture of "teacher/student".

The problem here is that I know my style and it's not the one that matches my type! I'm a textbook Pseudo-Aggressor, but I think I'm actually SLE.

Originally Posted by Jerdle

The problem here is that I know my style and it's not the one that matches my type! I'm a textbook Pseudo-Aggressor, but I think I'm actually SLE.

Those ones are a bit general and not that accurate, what do you make of the ones here?

Originally Posted by Boukalov

'''SLE-Ti''': For a long time doubts feelings of his partner, tends to occupy a "wait and see" position. Somewhat restrained in displaying his feelings and emotions, waits for initiative from others, but does so in extreme cases. Then, he becomes tender and attentive, strives towards improvements in sexual techniques. In his soul, he is sentimental. Private, remembers offenses for a long time. He needs a person who is agreeable, flexible and diplomatic. Someone who is affectionate, attractive, merry and optimistic.

If it weren't for the dual-seeking line at the end I don't think many wouldn't even guess that's an aggressor...

I think SLIs tend to put that teaching part aside if it serves no good. Can't say that it applies to LSEs (although that's benefit relation for me which includes that already).