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Maritsa33 · 03-19-2010, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thePirate

how does it feel to know everyone rejects your methods

My teacher once told me to find love and happiness for myself and disregard everyone elses concern, I think he was more self oriented then I; I think I will do both dispite what you claim "everyone" is doing about my methods.

I don't get intimidated or scared easily, as you can probably tell by now.

03-19-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

I don't like to argue.

Is it tough then since you argue so much here?

Mariella · 03-19-2010, 12:17 PM

First from Jarno:

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She doesn't get openly mad (maybe internally), treats everybody equal and humane, especially ashtonishing considering all the crap that people throw at her. An IEI (agressive beta?) would have responded with at least a bit emotions I would think. I have yet to see this in maritsa. She has some kind of goal to help us with socionics, regardless that it doesn't work out, she keeps devoted. You need to be quite an EII to do that.

Then from FDG:

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Guys and girls, she's from another culture, c'mon, how can you be so close-minded?. I know plenty of girls especially from southern italy that have this type of "hot" character; why do you take seriously everything she says? A lot of it's just an emotional reaction to other posts.

Different people really do see her differently. I agree with FDG that she gets emotional. Though I think she's been like that all along and that it isn't just in response to what's being thrown at her. Also, I don't think IEIs are all that aggressive, I mean not anything like SLEs or something. Not all Betas are alike.

Absurd · 03-19-2010, 12:42 PM

Yeah, that's what subjectivity is all about

Jarno · 03-19-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariella

Different people really do see her differently.

I agree that lately she's a bit off.

But the first month she started here and got banned, erased, cursed, etc. She kept being nice.

polikujm · 03-19-2010, 01:38 PM

I think we should be a little more open-minded of the definition of nice. If many people are saying she's not being nice because she's forcing her views onto everyone, which she was doing highly aggressively and rudely especially at first, people spending their hard time in trying to make decent communication with her, and she goes on like this, and secondly, she is of no importance to anyone here. What has she contributed? Is she really learning anything? She seems to be clarifying everyone else based on her "own" experiences and not contributing healthily or learning anyway from anyone. So... give her some time I guess. We have to be just. It's not going to work out if everyone has her blocked. I'm willing to take her off in a few months to see if she's progressing any.

Absurd · 03-19-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by thePirate

how does it feel to know everyone rejects your methods

Those are not her methods. It just happens to be what she picked up.

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Originally Posted by polikujm

I think we should be a little more open-minded of the definition of nice...

So, being just is speaking for the rest of community here ? Seems to me you have a moral obligation to do so. A leader battling the evil princess Maritsa, how chivalrous

Brilliand · 03-19-2010, 03:39 PM

I think she's made progress... at least, she's arguing on our terms now. She doesn't just stand on morphology anymore (although she still uses it)... she presents arguments based on observable personality.

Jarno · 03-19-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by polikujm

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hey good thing you changed to ENTP-ti.

**Krig the Viking** · 03-19-2010, 05:56 PM

I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone considered ESI? I think it nicely explains some things -- her stubbornness (Se), her unwillingness to consider alternative possibilities (PoLR Ne), but also her (rather aggressive) insistence that she is a nice person who cares about people (Fi).

I dunno, that's just the impression I get.

somavision · 03-19-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Krig the Viking

I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone considered ESI? I think it nicely explains some things -- her stubbornness (Se), her unwillingness to consider alternative possibilities (PoLR Ne), but also her (rather aggressive) insistence that she is a nice person who cares about people (Fi).

I dunno, that's just the impression I get.

good analysis, ESI works for me.

Marie84 · 03-19-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

You're not EII either,
This shows me how very little you know about the inner workings of the human mind. EII examins the probability and possibility of situations in their own mind and only produces a short statement of found or concluded results. We also value short and resolute statements from others as well, we don't see a need to overdramatize situations or conjure long and excessive narrations on topics, unless we are speaking to people on a discussion, in person basis...in a forum, that is not what I like to do.

You're nuts

Divided · 03-19-2010, 11:45 PM

Maritsa, why does your name always make me hungry for salsa?

Maritsa33 · 03-19-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Divided

Maritsa, why does your name always make me hungry for salsa?

I love to make salsa; I can make over 20 kinds.

Divided · 03-20-2010, 12:32 AM

That's a lot of salsa. I know what we could do, have a salsa party and see what salsa people think is the best. Then sprinkle in some good Spanish home-cooked food and some Maritsa and it's a date lol.

VixenDogFox · 03-20-2010, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Krig the Viking

I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone considered ESI? I think it nicely explains some things -- her stubbornness (Se), her unwillingness to consider alternative possibilities (PoLR Ne), but also her (rather aggressive) insistence that she is a nice person who cares about people (Fi).

I dunno, that's just the impression I get.

You are a genius!

**jxrtes** · 03-20-2010, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Krig the Viking

I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone considered ESI? I think it nicely explains some things -- her stubbornness (Se), her unwillingness to consider alternative possibilities (PoLR Ne), but also her (rather aggressive) insistence that she is a nice person who cares about people (Fi).

I dunno, that's just the impression I get.

If we take this description at face value, then Fi dominant is a pretty good (but not conclusive) suggestion. A lot of what she wrote could apply to many ethical types, but I thought this was interesting:

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At work, I love to delegate tasks and see myself more as a manager then a worker even though I am very supportive as a right hand kind of person as well. I will check up on the feelings of all of the people I manage, and make sure that their inner temperature is comfortable for them to handle the psychological demands of the day.

Her phrasing is a bit ambiguous, but the above could imply that she tries to get rid of redundant emotions by suppressing what she feels are unnecessary or excessive ones, desiring to impose emotional consistency in the form of calmness on others, essentially valuing creating optimum conditions for work. That's Fi/Te valuing.

An Fe ego would value creating pleasant conditions for work/play/whatever by removing emotional restrictions that hamper their range of emotional expression. As part of their job, an IxFp could easily (8th function Fi) passivate others and direct them to be calm, but they'd likely see it more as a chore than a privilege.

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I don't get upset easily and only cry when people accuse me of being dishonest because I am never dishonest. I am highly committed to the causes I stand for and I will "fight" to the end of time if that's what's required to get the job done.

The Gamma SFs I've known tend to shrug off almost any insult you throw at them, but one thing that affects them (and which could force an unconscious emotional outburst from the Id) is if you accuse them of being a liar, having no integrity, or of being a bad person. That's something they take quite seriously.

And I agree that her stubbornness and absolute certainty is more likely Ne PoLR rather than Ne ignoring.

Btw, does she remind anyone else of Olga, an ESI who sometimes posts her highly unorthodox views on socionics here. Olga is much less zealous about spreading her ideas though.

VixenDogFox · 03-20-2010, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jxrtes

The Gamma SFs I've known tend to shrug off almost any insult you throw at them, but one thing that affects them (and which could force an unconscious emotional outburst from the Id) is if you accuse them of being a liar, having no integrity, or of being a bad person. That's something they take quite seriously.

Ugh. I don't believe ANYONE who says they are never dishonest. That, in itself, is dishonesty. There are many ways to lie...

**Krig the Viking** · 03-20-2010, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by VixenDogFox

You are a genius!

(Haha, I was wondering if I would ever find an occasion to use that smiley properly in context.

)

FDG · 03-20-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jxrtes

Btw, does she remind anyone else of Olga, an ESI who sometimes posts her highly unorthodox views on socionics here. Olga is much less zealous about spreading her ideas though.

Yes, I immediately noticed the similarity. However I wasn't sure if it was related to their relatively similar linguistic background (which results in analogous slightly broken english), or could be traced back to identical socionics type. In some ways, these values are slightly more compatible with ESI rather than EII:

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Success is more important then money. Success is about attention, admiration, (not for me, but for my dual fame and power). Where money is for freedom to do what you want to do whenever you want to do them and to purchase luxuries.
Love is more important then sex; although I love both.
Blueberry muffins on a Saturday morning.
Vanilla or chocolate chip or mint chip ice cream.
My sense of duty precludes me to take certain actions.
I have a very well developed guilt.
I don't believe in living life quietly; if you don't make noise then you can't get things done.
I correct and improve myself, it's evolving and that's an every day thing for me, to reflect, learn, examine, question and answer.

(I like the way this sentence is phrased: "I have a very well developed guilt" LOL)

03-19-2010, 12:42 PM	#84 (permalink)
Absurd Azazel Cult Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,047	Yeah, that's what subjectivity is all about __________________ Reductio ad Absurdum

03-19-2010, 01:38 PM	#86 (permalink)
polikujm riding death out a closed window Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,977	I think we should be a little more open-minded of the definition of nice. If many people are saying she's not being nice because she's forcing her views onto everyone, which she was doing highly aggressively and rudely especially at first, people spending their hard time in trying to make decent communication with her, and she goes on like this, and secondly, she is of no importance to anyone here. What has she contributed? Is she really learning anything? She seems to be clarifying everyone else based on her "own" experiences and not contributing healthily or learning anyway from anyone. So... give her some time I guess. We have to be just. It's not going to work out if everyone has her blocked. I'm willing to take her off in a few months to see if she's progressing any. __________________ Vote for my type

03-19-2010, 03:39 PM	#88 (permalink)
Brilliand Currently God Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 3,914 Blog Entries: 2	I think she's made progress... at least, she's arguing on our terms now. She doesn't just stand on morphology anymore (although she still uses it)... she presents arguments based on observable personality. __________________ LII-Ne The majority is only right when I'm in it. Johari

03-19-2010, 05:56 PM	#90 (permalink)
Krig the Viking Contrarian Traditionalist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada's Prairie Farmland Sociotype: C-LII Posts: 1,283	I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone considered ESI? I think it nicely explains some things -- her stubbornness (Se), her unwillingness to consider alternative possibilities (PoLR Ne), but also her (rather aggressive) insistence that she is a nice person who cares about people (Fi). I dunno, that's just the impression I get. __________________ Quaero Veritas.

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Divided ^ㅂ^ Perverted ʘ‿ʘ Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 191	Maritsa, why does your name always make me hungry for salsa?

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Divided ^ㅂ^ Perverted ʘ‿ʘ Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 191	That's a lot of salsa. I know what we could do, have a salsa party and see what salsa people think is the best. Then sprinkle in some good Spanish home-cooked food and some Maritsa and it's a date lol.