Lobo

Who is that? I'm confused, lol. Well yeah, if we're talking about people being rude to you, then I definitely agree. At one point I was messing with you because I thought you were a joke account, and I apologize for that. However, I have yet to see true oppression in this forum... I remember trying to defend your rights as a poster when you got banned. As for this thread, I think you can handle thepirate's rude OP about ignoring you if you post.

Lobo

Ok, you edited your post. I guess I didn't read that thread... However, why should I step in and defend something like your methods? It's not like we're trying to save children from poverty here... If you have a theory, you have to defend it, especially if you post it in a forum where they don't believe in what you are saying.

Maritsa33

Learn the VI method yourself, you are INFj arn't you? you can assimilate it into a system?

If you can't then that already says you're not one and you havn't VI'd anyway.

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Ryu

the world is a messy place.

Mariella

She tries to get this VI system going, though it's a pretty ridiculous thing. But I could see that being someone who values Ti and is very weak at it. Also, IME those of us with the whole Ne/Fi thing are often plagued by self doubt. Actually it seems like Alpha Ne types are the same. If someone suggests another type for us, we feel compelled to investigate that possibility. I've investigated IEI and ILE when people suggested those types, for instance. And I'm much older than she is so she can't say it's her age and maturity that have caused how sure of things she is. (And I don't find her all that mature anyway. There are teenagers here who seems more mature to me.) Anyway, that desire for absolute certainty and avoidance of looking into other possibilities points toward Se and away from Ne, in my opinion.

Although, honestly, she seems a bit odd and that would certainly cloud her type. I can't say for sure she isn't EII. (There's that Ne. Can't close off possibilities.)

Mariella

Here's an example of something that doesn't feel like it fits in with EII.

All INTps greet with . . . ? ALL? I can see Delta NFs trying to get clues to type from language, but it seems like a Delta NF would probably use some kind of hedging language. "Gamma NTs often use . . " or something like that. The way she does this, and over and over again, sounds more like a very weak attempt at a Ti+Se system - Ti logic while avoiding Ne (consideration of other possibilites.)

And I'm not opposed to Ti+Se systems. I've seen them done well when I was working and with volunteer groups, and I've seen how valuable they can be. This isn't an anti-Beta thing.

On the other hand, she reminds me of my sister in a way, who is EII, and I can't put my finger on what about her reminds me of my sister. I'll work on that.

somavision

Maritsa - We have had this conversation before, the post I made on Rod's direct response to to a threatening anD inflamatory wall post he made oN your wall.

If anyone cares to take a look they will see the two deleted posts on your wall, made about 30 minutes before I posted on his.

The same evening I sent the owner of the forum a PM stating that Rod had posted this wallpost. I also made copies of both of the posts made that evening. So yes I did post that on his wall and it is plain for anyone to see. Your friend lacks the honesty to admit to his threats or to explain them.

So again, whilst you may not be caught in a lie, your omission betrays your fundamental dishonesty.

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somavision

Feel free to address the issue. Why did Rod make that threatening wallpost and why is he lying about it?

EDIT: If you are interested in why you perceive people as being rude towards you, it may be worth considering your actions and behaviours and how they instigate reactions from others.
You are consistently dismissive of the opinions of others, and their view of themselves, you do not listen to people, you are rude in this matter. You impose your worldview onto others, this is rude. You ignore questions asking you to justify your dismissive reactions and your generla dishonesty.

Your reactions are shamelessly manipulative. On occasions where you have been caught in a lie you have avoided responding to the point and either ignored it, answered a different question, attacked the charactor or the manners of the person that is challenging you.
When called a liar you have typed people to be your dual, you have claimed stress and sickness, you have used a number of tactics to cover your dishonesty. I do not like them one little bit.

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Brilliand

Wait, INFjs can make full use of ?

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Mariella

This is actually a very useful post, because from it we can see that she isn't actually using Socionics. Which explains a lot.

Brilliand

I'm rather of the opinion that there was a typo and she meant "can't," but I'll let her confirm that.

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cinq

Yes, isn't it ironic. I tried to make a similar point in another thread. Nothing wrong with upholding strong ethical values like honesty. The problem arises when one refuses to hold himself/herself accountable for his/her actions that betray these high values. Everyone lies and everyone is dishonest to a lessor or greater extent. To say that you never do is in fact being dishonest.

polikujm

I feel like trying to type Maritsa is a sick deed. She can say whatever type she is, and others can say it too, but it's not like it matters to anyone. She is already settled in her mind, and everything she says about Socionics is right and you're all wrong. So we should all leave since we're incapable of understanding this and Maritsa should win, or we should take her off ignore and go on in this forum listening to her wise words, trying to finally grasp the deep notion of the skull neck theory. I'm sure everyone is taking all of this way too simply, and your brain is not big enough to grasp it. You need a side picture to really know imo.

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Creepy-Cyclops

Maritsa, I find how you re-type someone to completely different type just by sometimes even reading just one of their posts rather rude - you are basically saying that everything they know about themselves means jack and that you are better that everything they know about themselves and socionics, based on one post. And - you don't listen to them if they try to explain how they disagree.

I don't think it's your intention to be rude, but.. it is rude. I suppose i'm saying that different people have different ideas of being rude. Maybe you could approach it differently or gather some more information before you "proclaim" someone another type?

polikujm

This is too idealistic. You first have to assume you really take yourself seriously by saying this, which in relation would mean that you actually take Socionics seriously too. What, I just ask, do you think you're going to get out of trusting everyone with themselves?

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FDG

Much less useless long-winded debates.

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polikujm

Well you're definitely not bad in doing so. Means I have to put up with less bullshit too, though I do dislike that you pick at my character without explaining yourself. Kind of puts me in a confused daze for a couple of seconds. Maritsa is really the only person I've ever disliked to a large extent, and I am grateful she is not in my family.

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FDG

I think she'd probably be fun at family reunions, also if she's your cousin, you can marry her without paying money (impersonal "you" here).

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polikujm

Why is that?

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FDG

Because you'd be from the same extended family.

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