Maritsa33

I am an EII, and we are all stubborn; we are all one, we are all twins.

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Director Abbie

No. No type is exactly the same as anyone else of that type. Or do you mean fraternal twins? Sure; that makes sense. I'm your twin.

EIIs aren't stubborn. EIIs and SEIs are pushovers.

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ESTj-Te
1w2 sp/sx 1-6-2
Brilliand's Younger Sister.

Maritsa33

Same type are genetic twins. they have the same brain, like the same food, wear the same clothing, have the same hobbies, understand and come to the same conclusion.

When people type incorrectly they come to a lot of misconceptions of type. We are no push overs we are very strong and fight for what we believe in; our duals admire us for that.

SEI are gentle but strong hearted; they can work with emergency case animals so well, I on the other hand, can't bear to stand animals suffer.

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Director Abbie

Apparently there are more than 16 types.

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ESTj-Te
1w2 sp/sx 1-6-2
Brilliand's Younger Sister.

Maritsa33

If you ever go on a dating site, I can pull people of your same type, your twins, and you can ask them if they like the same things without really asking...like asking

What's your favorite book? or Your favorite comic?
and you will see that they are the same as you, sex, race, nationality, culture, cast, color, etc doesn't matter

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Brilliand

I hated statistics in high school, I loved it in college. I think, like math in general, it depends on how you're introduced to it.

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LII-Ne

The majority is only right when I'm in it.

Johari

Brilliand

You've admitted this isn't true for ISTps.

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LII-Ne

The majority is only right when I'm in it.

Johari

Maritsa33

ISTp's are very interesting; only by observation of their language will you be able to tell them apart; they adapt the trend of the surrounding they are in; so not all ISTp's will wear the same things, they can be quite unique in a very hard to explain way....and as far as eating is concerned they are picky eaters, this is in concern for their health; their logic is very interesting. I would say that they are the most unique of all 16 types of personalities.

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Krig the Viking

Gamma NTs (especially LIEs) like statistics because it provides them with an accurate picture of the changing states of the world, which they can use to plan method of acheiving their goals.

Alpha NTs (especially LIIs) like statistics because it gives them one more thing to analyze to death.

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Quaero Veritas.

cinq

Yes, I'm thinking EFj at least, leaning towards ENFj.

Lobo

Statistics is very important when you get to molecular physics.

Ha! Shows you haven't met me sista...

buckland

Why do you think this? Based on her typing methods, she may as well have flipped a coin and chosen her type.

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LII?

Jarno

yes but I don't think it because she says so. Her writing and picture confirm EII. (at least I like to think so:-)

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ILI -Te

koldj

IMO it stems from subjectivist/objectivist dichotomy, as subjectivists want to rely on hard, unquestionable data (at least beta). Objectivists seem to be taking things as "obvious". For me it's hard to fully rely on my judgement. I see too many variables and can change my point of view very easily so I need to base my judgement on real evidence. Otherwise it's just speculating. Just like right now .

Bardia

I hated my behavioral stats class. I only use statistics because it is necessary in my field of interest. I want to know the best treatments/meds or whether things are correlated together or not but I don't want to compute it myself.

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ISFj ESI 1w9 sp/so

"You're getting older, and you'll see that life isn't like your fairy tales. The world is a cruel place. And you'll learn that, even if it hurts."

Jarno

They are stubborn in a passive agressive way. They are indeed very soft and often push overs, except when they have some kind of principle to follow.

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ILI -Te

Pied Piper

It's related to the rational function.
Te/Fi > Ti/Fe - I explained how statistics actually make Serious Rational functions work.

Here are probably my lasts take on this subject:
A Ti Thing?
Gamma NT/ Delta ST?

Serious types very rarely understand the reasons of the "stubbornness" of Merry types for some "unimportant/trivial" details in the big picture. Ni/Se works almost the same but on different aspects (the value of things instead correctness of procedures or decisions).

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"No trifling! I can't wait, beside!
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With him I proved no bargain-driver,
With you, don't think I'll bait a stiver!
And folks who put me in a passion
May find me pipe to another fashion."

silverchris9

Statistics are related to both T types. How the statistics are presented or what is emphasized has to do with Ti or Te, in my opinion. Everything that follows is my conjecture/opinion, but I think it makes sense.

Here's an example of Te use of statistics, imo. An ILI or LIE looks at a morass of (statistical) data about how a given set of stocks has performed (how many times a given stock has done a given thing, the number of fluctuations, the average fluctuations in a given sector, etc.). Without consciously or externally organizing that data into a system, he or she uses it to make a prediction about some future aspect of that stock's performance.

Statistics in a Te sense is also used by Fi valuers frequently to provide external "backup" to their subjective sentiments. For instance, someone who is fighting on some sort of Fi ethical compassion-for-all crusade might cite a bunch of statistics (x number of ys die every year due to evil thing z), in order to impress the importance of their views on others.

Statistics in a Ti sense is a little bit more organized and specific, and will tend to be used for a more specific purpose, not so much convincing people, but for proving something to one's self, or for arriving at a given conclusion. But I don't have as clear of a concept of how this might work.

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Not a rule, just a trend.

IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.

Krig the Viking

Agreed. Gamma NTs look at the data and get an intuitive sense of "where things are going", and base decisions on that. They do calculations and look for trends and such, but it's flexible and focused on understanding where the data is going, not on underlying systematic rules for why it's doing what it's doing.

Ti takes data and looks for ways to analyze it and find connections between it. They look for permanent rules or laws to explain why the data is the way it is. Whereas Te+Ni focuses on changing data, what has happened in the past, and where trends are headed in the future, Ti+Ne focuses on finding unchanging patterns in the data, stable rules to categorize data and organize it into a static logical system.

Frequently changing data sets are a bother to Ti types, because all this fresh data must now be analyzed categorized as well, instead of digging deeper and finding more underlying static patterns on the old data. For Te types, frequently changing data sets are fascinating; they're a challenge, like wrestling and taming a wild animal or something.

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munenori2

Maritsa, you never cease to amaze me.