INFjs initiating new friendships

[yeves]

how much do you relate to this description?


As a creative intuitive type and as a strategist, the EII doesn't miss an opportunity to become close to the people and quickly bridges the interpersonal distances. As a declaring type, who is sure of his/her rightness and oriented at close spatial-temporal relationships, and as a positivist and an evolutionary type, the EII uses any opportunity to become close to others, to introduce positive notes into their relations, and to show him/herself off in the best possible light. Towards this goal, EII's creative manipulative intuition of possibilities comes up with a myriad of approaches and techniques, helping the EII to quickly become liked and gain positive consideration of others. In this respect, EII's creative Ne works as a "set of master keys" which allows him or her to find an individual approach to almost anyone. The EII is almost always able to spot something positive, interesting, and attractive in a new person and will use any occasion to say something pleasant and complementary, to show his/her own emotional sensitivity, judiciousness, and prudence, to receive and welcome the new person, to offer them help, services, or needed information. Sometimes the EII as a constructivist type may resort to logically framing his intentions in order to get close with someone.

Quite frequently Dostoyevsky ends up imposing his/her friendly and welcoming attitude and services on other people in the process. And towards which purpose does the EII do this? As a positivist "program" ethical declarative type, the EII seeks to establish strong, long-lasting relations with those around him. Being surrounded by friends and people who hold him in positive regard elevates the EII's self-assessment on the aspect of +Fi – every new friendship, every new positive association the EII can view as something that is actively positive and beneficial for him/herself.* As a pragmatist-objectivist of Delta quadra, the EII doesn't miss out on opportunities to strike up and acquaintance and is potentially beneficial for him/herself. Towards this purpose, the EII aims to tell of something that is pleasant and agreeable, to reward others with a compliment or kind word seemingly out of nowhere and for not much at all, to be of service, to bestow a "generous" advance, for which, however, the EII will later expect reciprocity.

... the EII opens up before a person the "treasures" of his soul, captivates him with unusual notions, statements, and ideas. He guesses the person's moods, sympathizes just at the right time, patiently listens to his conversation partners, and even offers some kind of (even minor) help. With all of this the EII can very quickly "win over" people – positively predispose them towards himself, gain their trust and confidence, bind them to himself, submit them to his will, and eventually draw them into his game and make them his "moral debtors".

The rate of this strategic takeover and capture of a person will be monitored by the EII subconsciously and conducted on all of the aspects of his informational model.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya

[Reficulris]

Everyone knows deltas don't make friends; they're special flakes

ignore me....

[The Martrix]

Everyone knows deltas don't make friends; they're special flakes

ignore me....

You're right. INFjs don't make new friends. They never go out!

[Beautiful sky]

I love closeness and I check out my page here often to see who takes an interest in me by looking at my profile. I love to befriend people and have full trust in them. I help people out whenever I can. I also have no problems reaching out to those who are sad or upset to try to comfort them with support and talk them into feeling better

[Beautiful sky]

You're right. INFjs don't make new friends. They never go out!

I don't go out to bars clubs ect but I've made lots of friends in my classes and work

[The Martrix]

I don't go out to bars clubs ect but I've made lots of friends in my classes and work

Neither do I very often. But my friends pull my arm so I must go. I have to take all the chances at socialising as I can get. I have no outside work or classes to go to.

[yeves]

Everyone knows deltas don't make friends; they're special flakes

ignore me....

in that case you only need to pour in some milk and they'll swim together in a harmony circle

You're right. INFjs don't make new friends. They never go out!

there is no need to go out, they meet plenty of friends online

[Skepsis]

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[Skepsis]

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[Becca]

I relate to it. Some ESTj friends told me that I get people to like me. I don't think that is true exactly; people who are open and reciprocate the friendliness can become friends with me. I think that mostly the types that are compatible with me can be "receptive" towards me.

Many people tell me that I let them be themselves. Those people have either been my semi dual or dual.

[Not A Communist Shill]

The description is accurate for me.

I would a further observation about me is that that I find it very difficult to explicitly call someone a "friend" or similar, except indirectly or in a roundabout way, unless I've known the person for a very long time or such a term has been openly acknowledged. I suppose such a thing seems like too much of an imposition...also too prone too contradiction and perhaps because I'm wary of stating such an opinion lightly. I think also the developing of a friendship should be as natural and as comfortable as falling asleep (not really an appropriate analogy).

Perhaps it really is true that I see my only valuable attribute is my time...if I am a rock for those I love then perhaps eventually there will be mutual affection! ...of course it may even exist initially, but Time means I can appreciate that the other person doesn't just like one shade of me, and means that I don't have to expose too much of myself, heaven forbid.

[Beautiful sky]

The description is accurate for me.

I would a further observation about me is that that I find it very difficult to explicitly call someone a "friend" or similar, except indirectly or in a roundabout way, unless I've known the person for a very long time or such a term has been openly acknowledged. I suppose such a thing seems like too much of an imposition...also too prone too contradiction and perhaps because I'm wary of stating such an opinion lightly. I think also the developing of a friendship should be as natural and as comfortable as falling asleep (not really an appropriate analogy).

Perhaps it really is true that I see my only valuable attribute is my time...if I am a rock for those I love then perhaps eventually there will be mutual affection! ...of course it may even exist initially, but Time means I can appreciate that the other person doesn't just like one shade of me, and means that I don't have to expose too much of myself, heaven forbid.

That's true for me too. I will rank a person in terms of how much I'm willing to share with them however I unlike my SEI friends don't call everyone I share stuff with a friend. Thoae emotionally close to me and I have established a bond only a few close circle of people are friends. It's like "prove to me you're a friend through the test of loyalty, support, and love.s

[ashlesha]

how much do you relate to this description?


As a creative intuitive type and as a strategist, the EII doesn't miss an opportunity to become close to the people and quickly bridges the interpersonal distances. As a declaring type, who is sure of his/her rightness and oriented at close spatial-temporal relationships, and as a positivist and an evolutionary type, the EII uses any opportunity to become close to others, to introduce positive notes into their relations, and to show him/herself off in the best possible light. Towards this goal, EII's creative manipulative intuition of possibilities comes up with a myriad of approaches and techniques, helping the EII to quickly become liked and gain positive consideration of others. In this respect, EII's creative Ne works as a "set of master keys" which allows him or her to find an individual approach to almost anyone. The EII is almost always able to spot something positive, interesting, and attractive in a new person and will use any occasion to say something pleasant and complementary, to show his/her own emotional sensitivity, judiciousness, and prudence, to receive and welcome the new person, to offer them help, services, or needed information. Sometimes the EII as a constructivist type may resort to logically framing his intentions in order to get close with someone.

Quite frequently Dostoyevsky ends up imposing his/her friendly and welcoming attitude and services on other people in the process. And towards which purpose does the EII do this? As a positivist "program" ethical declarative type, the EII seeks to establish strong, long-lasting relations with those around him. Being surrounded by friends and people who hold him in positive regard elevates the EII's self-assessment on the aspect of +Fi – every new friendship, every new positive association the EII can view as something that is actively positive and beneficial for him/herself.* As a pragmatist-objectivist of Delta quadra, the EII doesn't miss out on opportunities to strike up and acquaintance and is potentially beneficial for him/herself. Towards this purpose, the EII aims to tell of something that is pleasant and agreeable, to reward others with a compliment or kind word seemingly out of nowhere and for not much at all, to be of service, to bestow a "generous" advance, for which, however, the EII will later expect reciprocity.

... the EII opens up before a person the "treasures" of his soul, captivates him with unusual notions, statements, and ideas. He guesses the person's moods, sympathizes just at the right time, patiently listens to his conversation partners, and even offers some kind of (even minor) help. With all of this the EII can very quickly "win over" people – positively predispose them towards himself, gain their trust and confidence, bind them to himself, submit them to his will, and eventually draw them into his game and make them his "moral debtors".

The rate of this strategic takeover and capture of a person will be monitored by the EII subconsciously and conducted on all of the aspects of his informational model.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya

~

[Beautiful sky]

Fastest way to see an EII and know the want your bond is demonstrate being hurt. She'll ask you about your feelings and then if she thinks you are in the right will support you by sticking up against others for you. I quickly testrd people here for that especially one person when I first came to the forum and found that human was mistyped then I went digging around for misconceptions and found a lot of people were typed based on impressions that were made into stereotypes. Yes you may be soft and sweet but that is not an EII...or you give that impression online and may not be that way in real life...whatever others see you. Fi is an information metabolism function. I judge all things based on a moral code and values. Not because I adhere to a religion because I made them throughout time so I emphasize this more than Si....the things in nature that is adjusted perceived and experienced in my mind

[Waster]

Some observations of a girl of INFJ Fi type

*Whenever I show mute excitement, such as going 'Yaay' after having completed something, she'll laugh to try and uplift the mood
*Whenever I talk about people in my family she'll display interest
*If someone new joins the group she'll formally introduce herself quite quickly
*She'll try to speak with everyone to maintain relationships with them
*If someone's on their own she'll notice and try to bring them in
*She's quite structured in an inflexible way

For instance, she was doing a charity sky diving event to which I previously donated to but hadn't given the money. So I saw her one day in conversation with someone. I wanted to leave so I approached her with the money in anticipation that she'd take it and carry on with her conversation. But upon interrupting she seemed noticeably irritated but hid it behind politeness. She then proceeded to open her bag, open the folder containing the charity money and put it inside while asking if I enjoyed my recent holiday. I was rather perplexed.

[Becca]

Some observations of a girl of INFJ Fi type

*Whenever I show mute excitement, such as going 'Yaay' after having completed something, she'll laugh to try and uplift the mood
*Whenever I talk about people in my family she'll display interest
*If someone new joins the group she'll formally introduce herself quite quickly
*She'll try to speak with everyone to maintain relationships with them
*If someone's on their own she'll notice and try to bring them in
*She's quite structured in an inflexible way

For instance, she was doing a charity sky diving event to which I previously donated to but hadn't given the money. So I saw her one day in conversation with someone. I wanted to leave so I approached her with the money in anticipation that she'd take it and carry on with her conversation. But upon interrupting she seemed noticeably irritated but hid it behind politeness. She then proceeded to open her bag, open the folder containing the charity money and put it inside while asking if I enjoyed my recent holiday. I was rather perplexed.

Sounds like me, and I understand her about the charity story. I believe it is because of Fi and that it is hard for us to focus on too many people at a time. I have behaved like this, and I always feel guilty and it's like I'm unsure where to direct my attention, so I ignore. I know it is rude, but no harm intended.

[Emmym]

Very much relate to all of this! Especially in large groups. In smaller ones, there's not as much point, I suppose because they're often so tightly-knit.

[Emmym]

You're right. INFjs don't make new friends. They never go out!

Also, could not be less true! Plenty of EIIs I know go out and have tons of friends (one EII I was friends with in HS had too many friends and always hurt my feelings by choosing them over me, lol). And I like to go out and do things, I just don't like going out just to stand around or pretend to have a good time. I love to shop and go to the movies but often do so alone. I can honestly saying that meeting new people and making friends is very easy for me, just not something I consider a "priority." Whereas I know EIEs and ESEs who consider it a MAJOR priority and yet don't seem to be ABLE to actually make friends with people. They're always going out to "brunch" or making plans with others whom they have no connection with.

[The Martrix]

Also, could not be less true! Plenty of EIIs I know go out and have tons of friends (one EII I was friends with in HS had too many friends and always hurt my feelings by choosing them over me, lol). And I like to go out and do things, I just don't like going out just to stand around or pretend to have a good time. I love to shop and go to the movies but often do so alone. I can honestly saying that meeting new people and making friends is very easy for me, just not something I consider a "priority." Whereas I know EIEs and ESEs who consider it a MAJOR priority and yet don't seem to be ABLE to actually make friends with people. They're always going out to "brunch" or making plans with others whom they have no connection with.

Could be a subtype difference. My EII sister has little interest in meeting new people. She's the Fi subtype. She's more interested in harmonising the relationships she already has than making new connections.

[Minde]

Such combative terminology: "manipulative" "imposing" "bind" "submit" "game" "debtors" "takeover" "capture" etc.

Anyway, this seems fairly accurate. I wonder how people view that in me, so it's interesting seeing it written out from this perspective. I see most of that all playing out in my communities.

It's totally true that I seek to create and foster good positive relationships both between myself and others and amongst others. For sure, I have a relatively small circle of close relationships, ones that see a lot of me, and in "unguarded" ways. Lots of interactions wear me out, so by necessity, for my own well-being, I end up that way. But my general rule of thumb is to stay good with as many as possible and I act in ways to encourage that. I want to think well of them, and I want them to think well of me. It's pretty much habit, as are those kinds of behaviors described in the article.

Sometimes it surprises me how... anti-relationship people are. Or can be. I mean, I've gotten used to it over the years. But, to me, the most productivity happens when everyone is getting along and communicating well. When I try to get people to get along better (outrightly or, more commonly, in more subtle ways as described in that article), often it's not for my direct benefit at all (though I certainly recognize various potentials for the future that could benefit me). When the "machinery" of people is running smoothly, everyone benefits. The overall quality of life, mine included indirectly, rises.

Obviously that's not going to fully happen so long as there's injustice and pain in the world. And I can't end it all. But I am wired in such a way that I try to make the world better in this one way. (erm, that sounds pompous a bit, I guess - sorry)

With just about everybody, I can figure out how to have a peaceable relationship if not actual friendship. To me, it's just good sense.

I don't usually aim to meet new people, and sometimes when I imagine the energy expenditure I hesitate to go into environments that might tax me. But I'm not opposed to it really, either. People are both messy and wonderful. I have a lot of friends in the sense that I get along with and have mutually positive relations with many.

[Eliza Thomason]

... I'm pretty good at noticing someone's potential or what's special about them. I don't really reach out to others in order to make friends very often, honestly.... I will wait for others to talk to, or approach me first most of the time, which has been how most of my friendships have formed. .....unless someone looks sad and alone in the corner, then I'd probably try to figure out what's wrong. I tend to always befriend the weird loners in the corner. They are usually pretty interesting anyway.

I am very hesitant to call people friends. I usually wait for the other person to say we're 'friends' first. Once I do befriend someone, I usually consider them a friend for life, even if I haven't talked to them in years. I've never been one to have a lot of friends. I'd rather have a few friends I have something in common with and that I can form a deeper understanding with, than a lot of friends. I do try to be nice to everyone, though, because every is fighting their own battle.

A lot of this is similar to me. Bits of it not so much - like, "I guess I'm not very animated or expressive with my feelings" -- that and the rest of what you said is reminding me of the EIIs I know. The similarity in our ways might be because we are Mirrors. Maybe!

[willekeurig]

I bolded the parts I relate to and put the ones I don't in italics. In general I guess I have/use a lot of "skills" / techniques described here. But the part about having warm feelings and wanting to include just about everyone is very off. I do take active initiative to get to know people I see as worthy, but the vast majority of people don't interest me in any way and I generally put no energy into being nice to them, even in situations where it would be beneficial for myself (like classmates who I'll have to deal with for several years etc).

" As a creative intuitive type and as a strategist, the EII doesn't miss an opportunity to become close to the people and quickly bridges the interpersonal distances. As a declaring type, who is sure of his/her rightness and oriented at close spatial-temporal relationships, and as a positivist and an evolutionary type, the EII uses any opportunity to become close to others, to introduce positive notes into their relations, and to show him/herself off in the best possible light. Towards this goal, EII's creative manipulative intuition of possibilities comes up with a myriad of approaches and techniques, helping the EII to quickly become liked and gain positive consideration of others. In this respect, EII's creative Ne works as a "set of master keys" which allows him or her to find an individual approach to almost anyone. The EII is almost always able to spot something positive, interesting, and attractive in a new person and will use any occasion to say something pleasant and complementary, to show his/her own emotional sensitivity, judiciousness, and prudence, to receive and welcome the new person, to offer them help, services, or needed information. Sometimes the EII as a constructivist type may resort to logically framing his intentions in order to get close with someone.

Quite frequently Dostoyevsky ends up imposing his/her friendly and welcoming attitude and services on other people in the process. And towards which purpose does the EII do this? As a positivist "program" ethical declarative type, the EII seeks to establish strong, long-lasting relations with those around him. Being surrounded by friends and people who hold him in positive regard elevates the EII's self-assessment on the aspect of +Fi – every new friendship, every new positive association the EII can view as something that is actively positive and beneficial for him/herself.* As a pragmatist-objectivist of Delta quadra, the EII doesn't miss out on opportunities to strike up and acquaintance and is potentially beneficial for him/herself. Towards this purpose, the EII aims to tell of something that is pleasant and agreeable, to reward others with a compliment or kind word seemingly out of nowhere and for not much at all, to be of service, to bestow a "generous" advance, for which, however, the EII will later expect reciprocity.

... the EII opens up before a person the "treasures" of his soul, captivates him with unusual notions, statements, and ideas. He guesses the person's moods, sympathizes just at the right time, patiently listens to his conversation partners, and even offers some kind of (even minor) help. With all of this the EII can very quickly "win over" people – positively predispose them towards himself, gain their trust and confidence, bind them to himself, submit them to his will, and eventually draw them into his game and make them his "moral debtors".

The rate of this strategic takeover and capture of a person will be monitored by the EII subconsciously and conducted on all of the aspects of his informational model.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya "

[huiheiwufhawriuhg]

I am not comfortable with initiating interaction, it makes me feel pretty insecure and weird... although I can't say I don't like making new friends, they just have to come and start the convo with me

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

i relay to this

[Beautiful sky]

I show acceptance of my SOs friends and family with hugs <3

[Beautiful sky]

I'm an emotional person and I get involved personally in the lives of people that i choose to care about and these choices are made even when I have very little information about who they are as a person because I trust people and because I give them the benefit of the doubt. I look to the positives and let time bring out and deal with the negatives as they come. This allows me to be trusting it also means that often I'm unable to protect myself emotionally this is a major reason why I now refuse to join any chat room because of the insincerity of effectual connection, lack of tenderness that can be demonstrated when people are in a room with people they don't care about. And I want to protect my own emotions and make genuine connections.

[Beautiful sky]

Van Gogh wanted to make a community of artisrs, so that they could hang out be merry, share knowledge and perspectives, to be open and inviting so he invited Gauguin and other artists to south France and though he was much like me tempermental and reactive according to the expressions of his values he was nevertheless the one who welcomed friendship and love. I am exactly the same way. My home is a comfortable place where people exist as they are and those who want to change themselves can find my support and motivation

[laurenl]

I have done a lot of reading up on the EII type, and I can relate to almost all of it. I still don't know if I consider myself to be one, but it's the description that best fits me. Anyway, I find it hard to make what I consider true friends; that is, people that are interested in sharing their deep thoughts and are at least half-way interested in mine (Sorry if that sounds a little bitter, but I often feel like even some of my closest friends are not interested in what I feel or my thoughts on things).

Bluebird: I am very hesitant to call people friends. I usually wait for the other person to say we're 'friends' first. Once I do befriend someone, I usually consider them a friend for life, even if I haven't talked to them in years. I've never been one to have a lot of friends. I'd rather have a few friends I have something in common with and that I can form a deeper understanding with, than a lot of friends. I do try to be nice to everyone, though, because every is fighting their own battle.

I agree with Bluebird, especially when I consider someone a friend (which is not often), I will always consider them a friend. I do try to be pleasant to everyone I meet, but I can be somewhat impersonal, I suppose. I would rather know more about them than let them know more about me; most of the time, they're not that interested anyway lol.

But I am a loyal friend; you can always count on me, and I'll do anything I can to help you.

[Froody Blue Gem]

I can relate a lot to this. I'm very opened to the idea of new friends. I also am prone to seeing the good and positives in people, being fascinated by others quirks. With ne, thinking of all of the different potential courses of action in a social setting. But actually being in that setting is different than preparing for it. I don't particularly do well in settings with all new people. I'm selective who I get close to though, and struggle with connection on the deeper level. I like learning new things about people, but there are just certain personalities I mesh with more.

If I know some other people in the group, I'm more likely to let my guard down, and take initiative. I'm also more likely to take it if there is a rare, special connection and I notice off the bat that we have a common interest. In many ways, initiating is more or less alien territory to me and is something that had to be learned. When people push to get close to me when I'm not ready, I keep my distance from them. It's not always an intentional thing, but I need time to get to that point of closeness, and vulnerability.

Finding someone with common ground, someone to talk to about obsessions, and to connect with on a deep level is a very rare but special thing. I have quite a few friends, but very few that are close.

[megedy]

I do this but the last sentence "eventually draw them into his game and make them his 'moral debtors'," makes it sound so Machiavellian lmao. It's more like...if I was your confidant and friend and was there for you, I hope I can expect the same in return. If you go above and beyond for me, I will always cherish you and want to repay that somehow. It's not like an intentional score-card I'm keeping track of, it's just that I don't like feeling used and I'm grateful to those who have done a lot for me. There's no game to it, it's just a matter of wanting to be appreciated by others.


I don't ever have a hard time making friends when I put myself out there and into situations where I'm going to meet people. It's always just a matter of actually...putting myself out there lmao.

[UDP]

Alright let's go into fanboy this mode. This description makes me smile.

how much do you relate to this description?


As a creative intuitive type and as a strategist, the EII doesn't miss an opportunity to become close to the people and quickly bridges the interpersonal distances.

On the whole, yes, although not all of them. As opposed to 'barbaric' attempts at merging with other people, EIIs often have a sense of positive-bartering, and seem to think their position of strength and moral safety is through offering good natured friendship



As a declaring type, who is sure of his/her rightness and oriented at close spatial-temporal relationships, and as a positivist and an evolutionary type, the EII uses any opportunity to become close to others, to introduce positive notes into their relations, and to show him/herself off in the best possible light. Towards this goal, EII's creative manipulative intuition of possibilities comes up with a myriad of approaches and techniques, helping the EII to quickly become liked and gain positive consideration of others. In this respect, EII's creative Ne works as a "set of master keys" which allows him or her to find an individual approach to almost anyone. The EII is almost always able to spot something positive, interesting, and attractive in a new person and will use any occasion to say something pleasant and complementary, to show his/her own emotional sensitivity, judiciousness, and prudence, to receive and welcome the new person, to offer them help, services, or needed information. Sometimes the EII as a constructivist type may resort to logically framing his intentions in order to get close with someone.


particularly the last sentence seems real. It's an embodiment of TI Role; EII have often asked for "reasons" for a variety of things, and openly seem to be interested when there are structurally sound logic combined with Te to "develop in a direction"; I think EIIs tend to "fish" for Te through Ti in this way, bc they are more comfortable with how Ti suits their Fi aims.



Quite frequently Dostoyevsky ends up imposing his/her friendly and welcoming attitude and services on other people in the process. And towards which purpose does the EII do this? As a positivist "program" ethical declarative type, the EII seeks to establish strong, long-lasting relations with those around him.

<3

Being surrounded by friends and people who hold him in positive regard elevates the EII's self-assessment on the aspect of +Fi – every new friendship, every new positive association the EII can view as something that is actively positive and beneficial for him/herself.* As a pragmatist-objectivist of Delta quadra, the EII doesn't miss out on opportunities to strike up and acquaintance and is potentially beneficial for him/herself. Towards this purpose, the EII aims to tell of something that is pleasant and agreeable, to reward others with a compliment or kind word seemingly out of nowhere and for not much at all, to be of service, to bestow a "generous" advance, for which, however, the EII will later expect reciprocity.

EII do best in environments where they can positively quietly influence their network, very Mr Rogers like. When they are denied this ability, it can be scary, uncomfortable, threatening, and/or the EII may feel damaged, in my experience. At their best, this is how they can operate. I have a particular fondness for this from EII and also IEE to some extent, because they can act in a way that is hopeful about the future of human relations. Especially now, that seems, important...

... the EII opens up before a person the "treasures" of his soul, captivates him with unusual notions, statements, and ideas. He guesses the person's moods, sympathizes just at the right time, patiently listens to his conversation partners, and even offers some kind of (even minor) help. With all of this the EII can very quickly "win over" people – positively predispose them towards himself, gain their trust and confidence, bind them to himself, submit them to his will, and eventually draw them into his game and make them his "moral debtors".

The rate of this strategic takeover and capture of a person will be monitored by the EII subconsciously and conducted on all of the aspects of his informational model.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya

Re the last point, when i played a DnD online game with a EII friend one of the first 'spells' they wanted to learn was called "Friend" to make themselves more agreeable to others. EIIs are strategic about this, and if you read some of jung's Fi description, you can see how there is indeed an imposing nature of their ethical or visionary ideal. EIIs, maybe more so than IEEs (whom seem to be into suggestion and letting things slide and play out whatever way), have a strategic outlook about their choices, and relations. 4D ni is ever-present. Similarly, they can also be trapped and bound by whatever their vision is to be. They can be stuck in it, and trust it significantly more than any element of external reality, especially when under duress.

When under a lot of stress, all manner of changing their most strong functions fades out, and they are locked in such a state, until, eventually, things calm down and they begin interfacing with external elements again. This is a kind of tension and grip, a 'contracted state'.

EIIs are like a very particular kind of gardener, wanting to have seeds grow and invest over time, and they don't care for sudden changes or people interfering with their cultivation. They are quite different from, yes, every other type that I know of or have experienced this with. They do not value Fe, nor have 4d Fe, so their whims and fluctuations of other people are of particularly little concern to them; they are "selfish" and "self absorbed" about their intentions. They have the strongest Ni possible, but they make it second fiddle to Fi (and Ne), so their view and will power towards how cultivation should happen is quite unique, and quite isolated, and to some extent quite 'detached' from reality, more so than ESI which may be more maintenance oriented and evaluation-of-now focused. EII is a bit of a trajectory facilitator, but their static evaluations of those paths are slow to change; they'd prefer it of things go to their plans.

And generally speaking, it's for the best if they do. TBH the best thing LSEs can do in this sense is deeply try to understand their vision and help manifest it how they can, using their external prowess to smooth the path and bend towards the EII's harmonious and positive evolutionary vision.

This is basically what I've resigned myself to doing and probably the best thing I can do for my relations with others and the world. "Not all EII" are the same in their tenor, caliber, and capacity or vision, yes. But I think there's essentially an element of being the proper knight or paladin in service of this aim; EIIs will need some protection in that their relatively internally driven world view will bump up against external obstacles. But aligning targets and aims with them can be quite rewarding and beneficial for the world around them.