JuJu

[Joy]

SEE

[strrrng]

Fuck no. He's Fe-INFp 4w3 sx/sp. I've never met someone as eerily similar to me in my life.

[UDP]

You're drunk/joking, or being serious? I can't tell.

[Wynch]

Oh my gosh. Seriously? Watch JuJu in videos discussing things. That man is so dynamic. BLAH

[strrrng]

Oh my gosh. Seriously? Watch JuJu in videos discussing things. That man is so dynamic. BLAH

Dude, he's just the epitome of a beta. I've never enjoyed discussing where people fit in the 'hierarchy' with anyone else so much before lol.

[olduser]

lolol

[Park]

It was obvious to me since the first time he spoke to niffweed17.

[Gilly]

I can see where SEE comes from, but Beta NF is much more likely IMO.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Slacker]

I don't see Se at all.

[Ritella]

It was obvious to me since the first time he spoke to niffweed17.

excellent point.

[Joy]

If I was willing to take niffweed's intertype relations into consideration when I type people, there would only be three people in his quadra (at the most).

[Joy]

I don't see the Se either, btw.

[Ritella]

If I was willing to take niffweed's intertype relations into consideration when I type people, they would only be three people in his quadra (at the most).

i love it.

a tangent, but: my main contention with niffweed's intertype relationship theory is that he seems (to me) to say things like "X gets along with Beta. ergo X is Beta." I don't think he takes into account the many non-socionic factors that go into how well people get along. There are plenty of Betas here who I like over Deltas here, because I just do.
I think arguments like that only work if you say something like "X shows obvious Fe-seeking in his relationship with Y, so X is..."

[strrrng]

i love it.

a tangent, but: my main contention with niffweed's intertype relationship theory is that he seems (to me) to say things like "X gets along with Beta. ergo X is Beta." I don't think he takes into account the many non-socionic factors that go into how well people get along. There are plenty of Betas here who I like over Deltas here, because I just do.
I think arguments like that only work if you say something like "X shows obvious Fe-seeking in his relationship with Y, so X is..."

+50

[Joy]

i love it.

a tangent, but: my main contention with niffweed's intertype relationship theory is that he seems (to me) to say things like "X gets along with Beta. ergo X is Beta." I don't think he takes into account the many non-socionic factors that go into how well people get along. There are plenty of Betas here who I like over Deltas here, because I just do.
I think arguments like that only work if you say something like "X shows obvious Fe-seeking in his relationship with Y, so X is..."

I definitely think there's often something to it when people tend to get along really well with most people from one quadra and not so well with people of other quadras (this is usually more noticeable in one axis more than another, of course), but I don't think it's as simple as that. Ezra, for example seems to get along best with the Gammas here, yet I do think he's SLE. There are also people who don't really seem to get along all that well with much of anyone who obviously still have to belong to one of the four quadras. Similarly, there are people who tend to get along with most people, yet they can only belong to one quadra.

Anyways, my point is that I do not take niffweed's relationship with people into consideration at all when I'm typing them.

[Joy]

I was pretty much just throwing out a suggestion for discussion. I had no idea that such a strong general consensus had been formed in Beta regarding his type, which is interesting. I'm not going to argue for his being SEE because, like I said, I don't see the Se either.

That said, based solely on what little I know about him and on the conversations I've had with him, Fi subtype SEE doesn't seem completely out of the question.

I'm quite content just to ride with IEI for the time being though, as I don't currently have any major objections to it and the Betas here seem to identify with him.

[Joy]

I don't think ESI makes sense though, btw. The IJ temperament just isn't there. At least not from what I've seen.

[Ritella]

my initial thoughts of Juju were actually IxFP and then IEI. But the more I talk to him the more I can honestly see IEEish qualities, which makes me wonder.

[Joy]

Yeah, I still don't have any major complaints with IEE, either. I don't particularly see Ne dominance any more than Se dominance though. There's a certain quality that Ne dominant males (and sometimes females, but more so the males) have that he doesn't.

And don't ask me to explain that quality. Seriously.

[Ritella]

Yeah, I still don't have any major complaints with IEE, either.

yeah it's funny b/c i go back and forth a lot. my biggest concern is really that juju "appears" IEI, but he's really IEE, because we've just gotten so used to associating certain phrases and expressions to certain elements when they're not necc. manifestations of that.
for example, before i learned about socionics, at some points in my life, i probably would have described myself as a strongly "impassioned" person or something. Now, that sounds very EIE, but like what I meant would have been more along the lines of idealistic, or other words that are more typically EII. Basically, were I to have described myself, I think people here would have thought EIE based on my word choices. But if anyone had actually observed me in real life, they would have realized that EII is very clear. also, before socionics (and i think this applies to most people) I would never have thought my leading function was my biggest strength. In fact, I would always have convos with my SLI friend where I would go "Isn't this obvious to everyone?" and she would be like "ummm no."

[Wynch]

There's a quality which JuJu possesses that I relate rather strongly with Ni, but more importantly it's extremely dynamic to me. When he's describing something and you watch his behaviour you can see that he's literally watching what he's telling you. For him there's a storybook unfolding in his head and he's simply choosing which pieces he feels are relevant. It doesn't necessarily have to be visual, but he's running along that entire storyline while he talks. He's definitely present in conversation, but you can tell that his mind is not so much in the moment as it is in his internal narrative.

[strrrng]

There's a quality which JuJu possesses that I relate rather strongly with Ni, but more importantly it's extremely dynamic to me. When he's describing something and you watch his behaviour you can see that he's literally watching what he's telling you. For him there's a storybook unfolding in his head and he's simply choosing which pieces he feels are relevant. It doesn't necessarily have to be visual, but he's running along that entire storyline while he talks. He's definitely present in conversation, but you can tell that his mind is not so much in the moment as it is in his internal narrative.

+10

We skyped and I related a lot to his demeanor -- that sort of 'within' one's self that INxps tend to have. Granted, he's an Fe sub, but many a time I would watch him relay a situation or insight and it looked as if he was 'searching' a sort of 'stream' of information and extracting things -- which is what Ni does

[Joy]

Yeah... idk, I guess something about him just seems more extroverted. I've never observed him irl so it's hard to say, but he just seems like he'd be more active somehow, at least when he's at his best. He seems like in an EP + IP relationship, he'd be more himself playing the EP role more.

I think that extroverts can actually be uncharacteristically inactive when they're stressed out or whatever, and being around their complimentary temperament at a time like that would encourage them to be more active (instead of encouraging them to chill the fuck out like you'd typically expect). Put him in a room with an IP type that he gets along with. How does he respond? Put him in a room with an EP type that he gets along with. How does he respond?

I don't want to put too much of an emphasis on temperaments, but I think that this might be what people are seeing when they say that something about IEI seems a bit off.

This is how I arrived at the SEE suggestion, btw. It's the only type that I don't get the "something's just off" feeling when I consider. While it's true that strong Se isn't obvious, it isn't always with creative subtypes. Throw an intelligent Fi subtype SEE into an academic environment... Would you expect the Se to jump right off the screen at you the same way it does with many Se egos?

[JRiddy]

Yeah... idk, I guess something about him just seems more extroverted. I've never observed him irl so it's hard to say, but he just seems like he'd be more active somehow, at least when he's at his best. He seems like in an EP + IP relationship, he'd be more himself playing the EP role more.

I think that extroverts can actually be uncharacteristically inactive when they're stressed out or whatever, and being around their complimentary temperament at a time like that would encourage them to be more active (instead of encouraging them to chill the fuck out like you'd typically expect). Put him in a room with an IP type that he gets along with. How does he respond? Put him in a room with an EP type that he gets along with. How does he respond?

I don't want to put too much of an emphasis on temperaments, but I think that this might be what people are seeing when they say that something about IEI seems a bit off.

I generally think that Fe-INFps are more active/outgoing than their Ni counterparts, and the ENFp was probably a mistake of typing by dichotomy. In terms of his general energy level, he seems more reactive than anything else, much in the way I expect Je-IXXps to be. It's more like he looks for someone to energize a situation, and then he can fully inject himself, especially when it's a beta-ish environment. EPs are more likely to sporadically inject their own energy in a more intermittent sense.

This is how I arrived at the SEE suggestion, btw. It's the only type that I don't get the "something's just off" feeling when I consider. While it's true that strong Se isn't obvious, it isn't always with creative subtypes. Throw an intelligent Fi subtype SEE into an academic environment... Would you expect the Se to jump right off the screen at you the same way it does with many Se egos?

If he were ESFp, Se should jump out at you pretty fast. Se types seem to pretty quickly give the impression that they can and will apply direct pressure in a kinda pointed and discrete manner. Se seeking types seem to kinda emulate Se, but it doesn't have the precise feel of a static Se type. JuJu seems to have this kinda "unfocused" Se that is common among Se seeking types, in that it feels like a constant stream, instead of the quick bursts.

[Slacker]

My feeling is that he's strong in Ne and Ni, and strong in Fe and Fi, and more balanced between those than a lot of NFs, which makes him harder to type. But I definitely think he's an NF. And I don't think he has an Ej or Ij temperment, so I'd say either IEI or IEE.

[consentingadult]

My feeling is that he's strong in Ne and Ni, and strong in Fe and Fi, and more balanced between those than a lot of NFs, which makes him harder to type. But I definitely think he's an NF. And I don't think he has an Ej or Ij temperment, so I'd say either IEI or IEE.

Amen! and to add: what gives it away imho, is that he gives of the impression of a 'mischievous' boy in his videos. Mothers, watch your daughters!

More likely IEI.

ETA: I don't know if it's helpful, but I like to compare him to another person I tend to think of as quite balanced: Meatburger. But MB produces quite some different sensations in me, he's more serious. I think daughters would be quite safe with MB

[implied]

sorry but i don´t SEE it.

[crazedrat]

He isn't SEE, and you need to get some real life experience with SEE if you think so.
I think ENFp for him, but I could be wrong.

[strrrng]

Amen! and to add: what gives it away imho, is that he gives of the impression of a 'mischievous' boy in his videos. Mothers, watch your daughters!

I find it hilarious that you noticed this without even knowing him.

He seems to have this 'spark' to him that I strongly identify with. Like, the quiet charisma of INFps (we're also both 4w3 sx/sp). And I think a few people here can vouch for his strong propensity for SeFe antics, based on that one chat in stickam where he and I were essentially guiding a parade of loud jokes for over an hour

[JuJu]

sorry but i don´t SEE it.

ba boom ch! (comedy genius)

I just read through this thread...

Vero, JRiddy--very perceptive... You've both noticed traits that really do point toward Fe-INFp (or as Vero once told me, possibly Ni-ENFj...) Ritella--I agree 100% about Niffweed's typing methods... (ESE isn't realistic, but Niff seems to believe it...) I get along with you so well I've re-thought my type a few times now... Starfall, I agree with you--something might be slightly off... IDK what it is... I'd like to get to the bottom of it.

possible types for me: Fe-INFp, Fi-ESFp, and Ni-ENFj.

Joy... Hopefully you'll be around tomorrow and we can talk about it... consentingadult--please don't hide your daughter. nicki... my buddy... knows me very well... i trust his judgment.

[strrrng]

possible types for me: Fe-INFp, Fi-ESFp, and Ni-ENFj.

Too fluid and adaptable to be EJ temperament (not to mention having the energy thresholds common to introversion). Don't really see gamma; your antics seem to revolve around the emotionally-charged, competitive atmosphere fundamental to betas.

[crazedrat]

Just go read the type descriptions more closely.

[strrrng]

Just go read the type descriptions more closely.

Just observe reality more closely.

[Ritella]

Socionics Report Card

Socionics 101: PASS
Real Life 101: FAIL

Masters in applying Socionics to the real world? No. Get real.... at Summer School! and try again.

[Joy]

Who needs Socionics when you've got real life?

[Gilly]

[Gilly]

That might be the first genuinely funny thing you've ever said.

[crazedrat]

Just observe reality more closely.

JuJu isn't really a part of my reality.

JuJu is a part of his own reality, though. This is why it's a good idea for him to type himself.

[JuJu]

I'm most likely beta NF ... Fe-INFp specifically.

Mimosa, that was really well-put... Thank you for writing that... I understand what you mean... I don't relate to the INFp descriptions you're referencing either... That's contributed to my confusion.

I am pretty high-energy for a INFp... (Like how Mimosa puts it...) What Joy and Starfall are noticing is absolutely true.