ABBA

[Not A Communist Shill]

From left to right: Björn Ulvaeus, Anni-Frid Lyngstad, Agnetha Fältskog, and Benny Andersson.







I think maybe INFj or ISFj for Agnetha and ESTj for Bjorn. I think Benny is some Alpha or Delta type, like ENFp or something. I don't really have an idea about Anni-Frid, but she reminds me of princess Camilla (Prince Charles' wife).

Before the band was formed Bjorn and Benny were friends. Agnetha and Bjorn were married at one point and got divorced, and Ann-Frid and Benny were also married at one point and then divorced. This information probably isn't useful though .

I think Agnetha and Bjorn come across as fairly serious people, and Benny seems like the cheeky one.






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[confused84]

Just when though I wiped them clear from my mind you have to go and do this.
One of the only things as bad as ABBA are the Beatles.

[Creepy-bg]

Just when though I wiped them clear from my mind you have to go and do this.
One of the only things as bad as ABBA are the Beatles.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SuB8xWeA59I

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ohr4P8E_io&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=96jFtzVa80A

better than sex!

[Creepy-bg]

Get jiggy with it.

best song ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BIduOvEoVeQ

[Creepy-bg]

What's Bjorn holding in that picture anyway?

his glowing rod of love

[1981slater]

They make a complete quadra, (gamma)

From left to right ENTj INTp ESFp & ISFj

And they are swedish

Some swedish are gamma

Some gammas are swedish

Some dogs are swedish

Some dogs are gamma

Some anys are some

[Phaedrus]

I think maybe INFj or ISFj for Agnetha and ESTj for Bjorn. I think Benny is some Alpha or Delta type, like ENFp or something. I don't really have an idea about Anni-Frid, but she reminds me of princess Camilla (Prince Charles' wife).

Before the band was formed Bjorn and Benny were friends. Agnetha and Bjorn were married at one point and got divorced, and Ann-Frid and Benny were also married at one point and then divorced. This information probably isn't useful though .

I think Agnetha and Bjorn come across as fairly serious people, and Benny seems like the cheeky one.

Not a bad analysis (= quite good). Agnetha is an ISFj. Björn is a Te ego type. Benny is most likely Alpha, possibly ENTp but that is not a certainty. And I think that Anni-Frid could be an ESFj.

[kensi]

From left to right: Bjorn, Benny, Anni-Frid and Agnetha.

I think maybe INFj or ISFj for Agnetha and ESTj for Bjorn. I think Benny is some Alpha or Delta type, like ENFp or something. I don't really have an idea about Anni-Frid, but she reminds me of princess Camilla (Prince Charles' wife).

Before the band was formed Bjorn and Benny were friends. Agnetha and Bjorn were married at one point and got divorced, and Ann-Frid and Benny were also married at one point and then divorced. This information probably isn't useful though .

I think Agnetha and Bjorn come across as fairly serious people, and Benny seems like the cheeky one.

I thing that Agnetha is an ISTp

(despite her many different subtle looks as a celebrity)

good retro music too,yeah

[Christy B]

I have no idea what types - but I love ABBA!!!!!

[Phaedrus]

I thing that Agnetha is an ISTp

(despite her many different subtle looks as a celebrity)

good retro music too,yeah

Maybe you didn't read my post. Agnetha is an ISFj, and that is a fact. She is absolutely not an ISTp.

[kensi]

Maybe you didn't read my post. Agnetha is an ISFj, and that is a fact. She is absolutely not an ISTp.

No I didn't...should i have?
There isn't much support there....why bring something like that even up?

I am not sweedish just so you know.



"Fact, Absolutely"-----these are strong statements.

I havn't gone out of my way research-wise, nor experienced her energy IRL to be able to make such a strong statement.

What are your top 3 reasons for why she cannot be ISTp and why she must be ISFj ?

[Phaedrus]

No I didn't...should i have?

Yes, you should have.

There isn't much support there....why bring something like that even up?

Because you stated on opinion on the types of Agnetha Fältskog, which was based on ... what? Nothing?

I am not sweedish just so you know.

I am Swedish, and I have made a rather thorough typing of the ABBA members. I happen to know that Agnetha is an ISFj and that she is not an ISTp. Just so you know.

"Fact, Absolutely"-----these are strong statements.

But well founded in this case.

I havn't gone out of my way research-wise, nor experienced her energy IRL to be able to make such a strong statement.

And yet you allow yourself to have an opinion on her correct type. You had better do your study first.

What are your top 3 reasons for why she cannot be ISTp and why she must be ISFj?

Anyone that watches her in an interview sees almost immediately that she is an F type. Nothing supporsts ISTp, everything suggests ISFj.

[hellothere]

I have no idea what types - but I love ABBA!!!!!

so does my dad! I don't mind them, but everyone around my age seems to think they're daggy or something. They did write some very good pop songs (in my opinion).

[kensi]

Nothing supporsts ISTp, everything suggests ISFj.

I havn't done a thourough investigation...its just an observation --thats why the post was simple---

as far as your statement--it is very extreme in nature---i just hope you are not seeing tunnel-vision.....i'll see...cause it's so extreme and you have no doubt...i just may wanna check it out once i have the time and interest....thanks for the type.

would you say that this ISFj is the same as ISFP in MBTI ?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

would you say that this ISFj is the same as ISFP in MBTI ?

You've asked this question like a gazillion times and I wonder, do you really not know the answer yet or are you just trying to be irritating (to Phaedrus?)

[Phaedrus]

would you say that this ISFj is the same as ISFP in MBTI ?

Of course not. Don't you know that the ISFj is the same type as the ISFJ in Myers-Briggs typology?

[kensi]

You've asked this question like a gazillion times and I wonder, do you really not know the answer yet or are you just trying to be irritating (to Phaedrus?)

I asked it to Prometheus and not Phaedrus....don't get those 2 mixed up.

[kensi]

Of course not. Don't you know that the ISFj is the same type as the ISFJ in Myers-Briggs typology?

What?...the type description, the functional orientation, a combination of the 2,....which of these are you talking about that makes them exactly the same......you have to be specific in that regard.

Where is your reference point and what is included in your reference point?

[xyz]

Yeah take a chance on it Phaedrus.

[Creepy-bg]

Yeah take a chance on it Phaedrus.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-UvtOQnPE5c

[xyz]

The 70's were awesome.

[Creepy-bg]

The 70's were awesome.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D0GWIOjCyw0&feature=related

[kensi]

From left to right: Bjorn, Benny, Anni-Frid and Agnetha.



I think maybe INFj or ISFj for Agnetha and ESTj for Bjorn. I think Benny is some Alpha or Delta type, like ENFp or something. I don't really have an idea about Anni-Frid, but she reminds me of princess Camilla (Prince Charles' wife).

Before the band was formed Bjorn and Benny were friends. Agnetha and Bjorn were married at one point and got divorced, and Ann-Frid and Benny were also married at one point and then divorced. This information probably isn't useful though .

I think Agnetha and Bjorn come across as fairly serious people, and Benny seems like the cheeky one.

Not a bad analysis (= quite good). Agnetha is an ISFj. Björn is a Te ego type. Benny is most likely Alpha, possibly ENTp but that is not a certainty. And I think that Anni-Frid could be an ESFj.

Of course not. Don't you know that the ISFj is the same type as the ISFJ in Myers-Briggs typology?

What?...the type description, the functional orientation, a combination of the 2,....which of these are you talking about that makes them exactly the same......you have to be specific in that regard.

Where is your reference point and what is included in your reference point?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-UvtOQnPE5c

Yeah take a chance on it Phaedrus.

I done more research on this...quite alot more...

Agnetha is SiTe in MBTI ...ISTJ ( this is delta equivalent )....(Subtype =Si)

...call her whatever you want in Socionics...Based on functional distribution i would have to say that this equates to Socx ISTp simply cause ISTp is delta too and maintains the very same functional distribution. The actual type descriptions have only small weight value in my assessment.

Bjorn = MBTI ISFJ (SiFe) Alpha.....based on this I'll have to give him an equivalent Socionics designation of SiFe ....ISFp

Benny is ESTp

Anni-Frid is XSTj (maybe ESTj..dunno..not clear)


Background Information:.....all Assessments were done on a Functional Analysis first and foremost.....and not on Dichotomial Pragmatism...nor by conformance to Type Portraits (aka Type Descriptions)....nor other alternative techniques.

Also the Environmental Element influncing type readings was attempted to be taken out as much as possible.

[Phaedrus]

I done more research on this...quite alot more...


Agnetha is SiTe in MBTI ...ISTJ ( this is delta equivalent )....(Subtype =Si)

No, she is not. She is an ethical type with 100 % certainty, and whoever suggests that she's a logical type is a complete moron when it comes to typing. You are embarrassing with your totally incorrect typings. Every ISTJ is Beta. Stop being so wrong, please.

...call her whatever you want in Socionics...Based on functional distribution i would have to say that this equates to Socx ISTp simply cause ISTp is delta too and maintains the very same functional distribution. The actual type descriptions have only small weight value in my assessment.

No. You are wrong as usual. You refuse to learn anything, despite all our attempts to explain these very simple things to you. Now you will stop posting bullshit and instead learn the basics of Socionics and the types. Agreed?

Bjorn = MBTI ISFJ (SiFe) Alpha.....based on this I'll have to give him an equivalent Socionics designation of SiFe ....ISFp

This is a joke ... Probably the worst joke I have ever seen. You suggest that Björn is an ethical type and that Agnetha is a logical type. Such an incredible ignorance and complete misunderstanding of the types is unforgivable.

Benny is ESTp

Another moronic type suggestion.

Background Information:.....all Assessments were done on a Functional Analysis first and foremost.....and not on Dichotomial Pragmatism...nor by conformance to Type Portraits (aka Type Descriptions)....nor other alternative techniques.

Also the Environmental Element influncing type readings was attempted to be taken out as much as possible.

You are brainwashed.

[kensi]

Every ISTJ is Beta.

You are a complete moron if you don't understand something as fundamental as this.

ISTJ is Delta. (MBTI)

Go back to your studies.

Maybe you'd like to tell me the rest of the MBTI Beta strand then??...so I can get a good laugh.... probably not...you never do...you always chicken out when it comes to the explanations with me.

[Phaedrus]

You are a complete moron if you don't understand something as fundamental as this.

ISTJ is Delta. (MBTI)

ISTJ is Beta. Period.

Go back to your studies.

Now I realize that it won't help you to back to your studies. Your brain can't process the information, so it's a waste of time for you to study.

[Expat]

I haven't really read any of the posts in this thread. I only have some sort of view on Agnetha's type, who I can't see as anything but an ISFj or INFj.

[kensi]

ISTJ is Beta. Period.


Now I realize that it won't help you to back to your studies. Your brain can't process the information, so it's a waste of time for you to study.

You havn't answered my fundamental question.
You are clearly wrong till you take the time to do so, progressively speaking.
Even then it will not make you right unless you explain the systematic issues.

You are clearly wrong ISTJ is Delta no different then ESTJ is Delta. Period.

You moron, ISTP can't be Delta cause it extinguishes ESTJ and thus they cant be a part of the same quadra.

These are the dumbest suggestions i have ever heard from you. Actually you don't even know how to make suggestions...you're too dellusional in your own ego efforts or superego efforts for all i know.

the question posed to you once again: Maybe you'd like to tell me the rest of the MBTI Beta strand , or the rest of the MBTI Delta strand...or any strand at all ??. (this is where you'll be wrong)

[Phaedrus]

You havn't answered my fundamental question.

Which is your fundamental question exactly?

You are clearly wrong till you take the time to do so, progressively speaking.

And you are an idiot until proven otherwise.

You are clearly wrong ISTJ is Delta no different then ESTJ is Delta. Period.

Now you will shut the fuck up with this idiotic thinking of yours. You don't understand the functions, and you don't understand the types.

You moron, ISTP can't be Delta cause it extinguishes ESTJ and thus they cant be a part of the same quadra.

Idiotic thinking. Why don't you start using your brain?

These are the dumbest suggestions i have ever heard from you. Actually you don't even know how to make suggestions...you're too dellusional in your own ego efforts or superego efforts for all i know.

You are polluding the forum with gibberish. Not a nice thing to do. Why do you want to brainwash other people? Are you born evil?

the question posed to you once again: Maybe you'd like to tell me the rest of the MBTI Beta strand , or the rest of the MBTI Delta strand...or any strand at all ??. (this is where you'll be wrong)

ALL THE TYPES ARE IDENTICAL ACROSS MBTT AND SOCIONICS. EVERY SINGLE, CORRECTLY TYPED, ISTJ IS AN ISTj (LSI). EVERY SINGLE ISTP IS AN ISTp (SLI). NOW YOU WILL TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS OR BE FOREVER SILENT ON THE SUBJECT.

[kensi]

Which is your fundamental question exactly?


And you are an idiot until proven otherwise.


Now you will shut the fuck up with this idiotic thinking of yours. You don't understand the functions, and you don't understand the types.


Idiotic thinking. Why don't you start using your brain?


You are polluding the forum with gibberish. Not a nice thing to do. Why do you want to brainwash other people? Are you born evil?


ALL THE TYPES ARE IDENTICAL ACROSS MBTT AND SOCIONICS. EVERY SINGLE, CORRECTLY TYPED, ISTJ IS AN ISTj (LSI). EVERY SINGLE ISTP IS AN ISTp (SLI). NOW YOU WILL TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS OR BE FOREVER SILENT ON THE SUBJECT.

So thru this, whether you know it or not,(in your knowing that ISTp is Delta).......... you are claiming that all these MBTI Designations are Delta: ISTP, ESTP, INFJ, ENFJ. This is clearly not the case. You are greatly confusing everybody including and especially yourself.

[Phaedrus]

So thru this, whether you know it or not,(in your knowing that ISTp is Delta).......... you are claiming that all these MBTI Designations are Delta: ISTP, ESTP, INFJ, ENFJ.

Seriously, how stupid are you really? The Delta types in MBTT are ISTP, INFJ, ENFP, and ESTJ.

[kensi]

Seriously, how stupid are you really? The Delta types in MBTT are ISTP, INFJ, ENFP, and ESTJ.

Got a question for you....to make sure we are on the same page.....What is the difference between MBTT and MBTI ?

[Phaedrus]

Got a question for you....to make sure we are on the same page.....What is the difference between MBTT and MBTI ?

MBTT is the Myers-Briggs Type Theory, which is the theory that tries to explain why the real types are what they are. MBTT and Socioncs describe the exact same groups of people (identified by the four dichotomies), but their theoretical explanations for them are different. The two theories agree on what the real types are in their typical behaviours and attitudes, what they look like, etc., and they agree on how to group them according to temperaments, test results, dichotomies, and so on. But MBTT has confused Jung's functions for the introverted types, which has resulted in the well-known mess that is the major cause of all mistypings on this forum and elsewhere.

If we look at how Jung described the types and compare that with how MBTT and Socionics describe the types, we find that the essence of Introverted Thinking in Jung's sense is also the essence of -- but it is not the essence of Ti in MBTT. Ti in MBTT is essentially much more like Extraverted Thinking in Jung's sense, and in socionic terms Ti (in MBTT) is some sort of mixture of and (with perhaps some traits of ), and it is very important to notice that INTPs in MBTT are always described as having a focus on the external world, on objectivity, objective truth and knowledge, etc., which is clearly in Socionics. The INTJs and the INTjs (LIIs) on the other hand, are recognized as "systems thinkers" in both models, they have a focus on implementing their subjective systems, ideas, etc. instead of seeking the objective truth, and that is the essence of and Introverted thinking in Jung's sense.

We also find, when we compare the theories with reality, that INTjs (LIIs) always exhibit J behaviour and attitudes, that all of them seem to be early birds, that many of them are relativists of some sort, that many of them criticize typical notions like the concept of an objective reality, the concept of truth as correspondence with reality, etc. That is in the nature of , but it is certainly not the nature of being an INTP in MBTT or an ILI in Socionics. And we find that INTps (ILIs) always exhibit P behaviour and attitudes, that all of them seem to be night owls, that they tend to be objectivists and especially empiricists to a much greater extent than INTjs, and they tend to accept (and more important, in contrast to the INTjs, the INTps understand the concept truth correctly as it should be understood, as correspondence with reality).

MBTI is the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, which is nothing but a typing intstrument, and in that respect it is no different from socionic tests, even though MBTI tests tend to be more accurate than most socionic test and can therefore be recommended as one of several means to determine a person's socionic type.

[consentingadult]

The definitive ABBA type list:

Bjorn: IEE
Benny: Delta irrational, most likely IEE
Anni-Frid: LSE
Agnetha: SLI

Ainsi soit-il...

[Tallmo]

The definitive ABBA type list:

Agnetha: SLI

C'mon. She is an obvious ESE

[Sol]

Agnetha - IEI

P.S. nice to see here 10 y.o. hollywar MBTI vs Socionics types notations

[Kill4Me]

IEI-Fe



Added: https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/iei-fe/

[consentingadult]

C'mon. She is an obvious ESE

[consentingadult]

IEI-Fe



Added: https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/iei-fe/

Impossible, all Swedish and Norwegian people are deltas. Everybody knows that. Period.

[perpetuus]

They're also shiny and hairy.