Originally Posted by Chae
ILI-Ni
ILI-Te
SLE-Se
SLE-Ti
LSI-Se
LSI-Ti
LII-Ti
LII-Ne
ILE-Ne
ILE-Ti
ESE-Fe
ESE-Si
SEI-Si
SEI-Fe
IEI-Fe
IEI-Ni
EIE-Fe
EIE-Ni
SEE-Se
SEE-Fi
ESI-Fi
ESI-Se
LIE-Te
LIE-Ni
IEE-Fi
IEE-Ne
EII-Ne
EII-Fi
SLI-Te
SLI-Si
LSE-Te
LSE-Si
Video while it can be better media can also be deceiving as it serves snapshot without documenting IRL interactions throughout the day.
ego but...
Gives LSI impression
supervision ring stuff.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
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I thought IEI.Video while it can be better media can also be deceiving as it serves snapshot without documenting IRL interactions throughout the day.
Gives LSI impression
supervision ring stuff.
Deal with it.
These kind of rationalizations could make him fit any type of the 16. I haven't watched video and I'm not typing him right now, but this is a really bad approach. Rather than using so-called boosted functions to rationalize why someone's lead function is unused and invisible, it makes far more sense to look at what elements they actually DO use. Those are the ones that make up what type they are. What good does it do to call someone an EII for example if they have such "boosted" Ne and Ti that those are the elements they use the most. . . that kind of makes them not an EII anymore.Ever heard of Fi Role before?
LSI-Se can seem like a "fake/pseudo" SF because of the Se-Fe boost.
Also, technically the Se and Ti of LSI-Se is around the same Dimensionality if the subtype is strong enough.
That's probably why it is not clear or obvious he is Ti lead.
Besides the fact he is SO blindspot and w7, which explains his inattentiveness to social dynamics and friendships, and his "YOLO" drive to try out lots of things in a typical 7-ish fashion.
The trust issue is classic 6 (and Fi Role).
Regardless of strength of subtype, the lead function is always the lead function - this is always on and you can't help but use it, to the point where you don't even think about it, and people then can sometimes misstype because they don't recognize it as anything. You don't say, "I'm going to turn on my lead function now - look at how I am using it," you just are and do, it's part of you.
Watch da videooo
You haven't even watched the video and are already criticizing what I am saying.
Of course he is still Ti lead besides those other behavioral aspects. I am just describing how he might not come across as a stereotypical Ti lead initially. People use their Role sometimes, or they overuse their Creative or HA, what-have-you. It is a very static and misleading approach to assume that people always use their Lead in all situations to the 100% maximum.
The way he went through the questions in a structured manner was rather Ti. And knowing him, he always mentally tests the logical coherency of any kind of thought he comes across, etc, which is typical Ti lead. That's also what made him abandon religion; because it did not make logical sense to him.
Yeah, because I'm criticizing the approach. The criticism holds regardless of what type he is. Basically if you have to jump through a bunch of hoops and create justifications to establish a type . . . there's probably a better type to look at.
I was just trying to explain why @thehotelambush had difficulties with reaching to a conclusion – trying to put into context how he could see conflicting signs for different types, and how they could be summed up in one type profile.
I've typed him as LSI from the very beginning, back then when he just posted his answers to the questionnaire.
I've mistyped him as Ti subtype, w5, and Sp/Sx at first – I am guessing mainly because that was the attitude he was projecting. He was not in the best mood when he answered the questions. Anyhow, over time I revised my typing. But LSI was clear to me from the very start. Have you read his questionnaire?
vortical synergetic spaghettiIEIs are masters of it.
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Winning is for losers
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You seem way too introverted to be an SEE. ESI *maybe*... you did talk a lot about honesty.
Strange how you initially thought you were ILI/Ni + Te.
I thought SLE at first, then about LSI but you seemed too jittery to be that. There is some kinda silliness to you as well, ILE ish. I d go with SLE .
Xstp
You look like my college male bff i swear. The eyes and the mouth
LSI-Se
think about SEE among F types. and in case you are sure in your Se
Yeah im starting to think i might be SEE
I have been summoned.
...what does this thread have to do with me?
Uhm idk who summoned you?
You seem to fit the SEE pretty well. I see you react first, and the reasoning is like an after thought. Going by the theory, that's not rational Ti base. By theory it's irrational. Also I haven't seen you describe anything with a significant amount of logics. You're punchy and likeable, so I see Se first, and less focus on the logics but the personal impact, the likeable part - Fi (I just mentioned the punchy part) so I give you SEE which I suspected for a while
Well I don't care about socionics but you demonstrate force with a secondary demonstration on the person, less a focus on logics, so by socionics that would be SEE.
I've never seen an LSI do that. They know what's correct and that's it. Explaining is more related to creative Ti imo.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
If squark is LSI she seems to explain things in her posts, but I do agree that creative Ti more readily explains things, see Bertrand ILE who in typical ILE style goes on forever.
ILE is the most likely type to explain things, followed by SLE, then LII and LSI, it just takes more for the introvert Ti and Se type to get going.
None of this changes the typing of SEE for the chap in the OP. He reminds me of Trump, the similar forceful function which impacts on a personal level rather than a logical (or the personal impact not considered in a way which has confidence in impacting and managing).
*self-types as ILI*
Everyone: "Oh hey I can totally see ILI for you! You remind me of ILIs I have known!"
*is being typed as LSI*
Everyone: "Oh yeah, I see the LSI, too! Beta ST!"
*is being typed as SEE*
"Oh hey guys, I think I could be SEE."
Everyone: "Oh yes, you weren't Rational anyway! You're so Se lead!"
And it never ends...
In short, too many people on here just go with whatever someone says/thinks they are and don't even properly question or analyze it.
at 1st we'll set slow music and drink something...
"I think myself as IEI and just created the typing thread to get the attention.
Everyone (- better skilled ones): "Sure. Nothing else can to be."
I'm not taking sides on his type right now. I just wanted to point out that explaining with logics is not typical of LSI. I am often irritated by the lack of "logics" in the LSI. It just means that they have figured things out already, and know what to do. I am usually the one that explains things to the LSI and then they just look at me like "whatever"...
It's like the base function is simply "how things are".
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I can't help you with your irritation
You did. "DA Questionaire."
Haterz gonna hate*self-types as ILI*
Everyone: "Oh hey I can totally see ILI for you! You remind me of ILIs I have known!"
*is being typed as LSI*
Everyone: "Oh yeah, I see the LSI, too! Beta ST!"
*is being typed as SEE*
"Oh hey guys, I think I could be SEE."
Everyone: "Oh yes, you weren't Rational anyway! You're so Se lead!"
And it never ends...
In short, too many people on here just go with whatever someone says/thinks they are and don't even properly question or analyze it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
I came to perceive you as ILI for a while. I still remember the questionnaire where I've typed you LSI, mainly because of your nihilistic spiritual approach... but that actually made little sense. People with nihilistic tendencies are often typed as Ni, so it makes perfect sense... for you to be ILI. But sincerely IDK why I have a gamma ILI vibe from you... I think it makes the most sense, maybe more than LSI because they'd probably even be more focused... while it's not too uncommon for a Gamma type to aim at the "usefulness" (Te) of what they're doing, yet a ILI is a P, so it makes you kind of a walking contradiction, but the stacks would be in support of that.
Anyway a couple of reasons why i think my type might be incorrect:
I feel drained after being alone for a day, instead of energized.
I feel energized after having been to a party, or having been with people in general, having been at work/ to the gym.
Im restless and always need to be busy. Else my mind wonders and i start worrying about the future. Thats why i think i might be 7 core and extravert.
I am reluctant to change but when change does happen i find myself dealing with it pretty easily.
I dont like being constricted by rules and i dont like my freedom restricted in any way. I dont like commitment and often dont follow through my plans. ( its always more fun to fantasize, but actually following through stresses me cuz it closes off other options and i like to keep all options open)
Thats one of the reasons why i quit college.
I dont have sleepless nights whenever there is something left on my to do list.
Usually i just procrastinate untill i forget about it completely. This behaviour has lead me into having to pay fines because i dont like doing my finances and procrastinate untill they haunt me. And then i still dont care. Lol
I suck at mechanical skills such as repairing my bike. I was forced to be a construction worker by my parents and i hated it with my guts. On the contrary i loved being a waiter because it made me deal with people, not inanimate stuff like bolts and screws, which bore the hell outta me.
Im often bored. And very very impatient.
I suck at maths, ever since late elementary school. Everything to do eith maths i sucked at. Physics, econoy you name it. Even though my iq is over 120 i just suck at it.
If i was ti lead wouldnt i be at least decent at maths, instead of the worst of my class all throughout high school? Even in college i sucked dick at statistics. I just cant do it. I cant focus, my mind wanders and i dont seem to easily get it even when i really try.
So those are reasons why i think i might be extraverted and ethical.
Stop h8ing m8
fair enough
anyway the SEEs I know would never do this, they tend to be surprisingly organized in the most petty things... (Gamma management skills? IDK but same happens for the ESIs I know)Usually i just procrastinate untill i forget about it completely. This behaviour has lead me into having to pay fines because i dont like doing my finances and procrastinate untill they haunt me. And then i still dont care. Lol
Ok explain why im IxTx if i suck at maths and mechsnics no matter how hard i try. Especially as an ili.
My girlfriend says i am very energetic and she loves my energy. I took acting classes in school and loved it, while hating natural sciences. ILI confirmed?
in case they are similarly SEE like you are ESI. SEE as P, F, S have issues with organizing. I wish you to have a boss SEE to get this pleasure
If you think about how that relates to functions you'd realise that's weak typing. If it's 'P' dominant function then why are many LIEs disorganised. If it's N then why SEIs can be late with stuff. Can't be T because LIE. Any type can be disorganised this way. It can be a clue, but not 'all SEEs'.
IDK maybe you're not an ILI? anyway I dont think the relationship good at math/mechanics= T works fine. That's just stereotyping. We've agreed on Mr King being a ILI and he's been writing the most obscure stuff in the last decades with little mechanics/math applied (oh and he even used to be an actor!)
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