Neurotransmitters and IMs

[VILEvenezuelan]

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[VILEvenezuelan]

Why visit the theories section then? Just saying.

[VILEvenezuelan]

Then perhaps my understanding of socionics could benefit from discussion. No need to be hostile.

[Cat King Cole]

I gotta agree with Ashton here. You're speculating about something that's actual, genuine, hard science. What's the point? Keep your lines drawn clearly between science and philosophy.

If you want to do what you're doing, the Enneagram Institute would be a lovely place. They have a wonderful Scientific theory that the 9 etypes are based off dopamine, norepinephrin, and serotonin.

[VILEvenezuelan]

Understandable, yet I was hoping that individuals who have knowledge of their own levels or of others might have something to add. In fact, my speculation began on the basis of the knowledge of my own neurotransmitter levels.

And no disrespect intended, but not seeing the point of someone else's activity doesn't make stomping the most appropriate response.

Even if speculation is all anyone has to add, the speculation could be fascinating, and might lead somewhere or might just have been a stimulating discussion that explores a few possibilities.

I'll spare you a rant about the possible worlds theory approach to practicality

[VILEvenezuelan]

Also, wrote this last post before seeing yours, Cat King Cole.

[Cat King Cole]

First things first, for this to even be a worthwhile line of discussion, you'd have to have the types be a result of extracellular transmitters. Why? What has this got to do with information processing? Ask yourself, and if you have to force an answer out, you're on the wrong track, imo.

Adhd is characterized by extremely low levels of ex. dopamine.
Conversely, schizophrenic individuals, characterized by extremely fast sensory reward processing with little context, are often saturated with it.

So disordered thought processes and blunted emotionality are the domain of ? What? And distractibility the domain of ? To call this a tenuous link is being exceptionally generous.

- related to levels of extracellular serotonin

= high
= low

Same story, different neurotransmitters.
This time, high levels of serotonin (which is a REGULATORY neurotransmitter), have been found in autisistic individuals ( !! Perhaps why I feel like I can relate to autistic individuals well and speak their lingo)
Conversely, low levels of serotonin are associated with mood disorders, depression, and bipolar ()

And again. Autism and ? Why not ? Why any element at all? Socionics does not apply to the mentally ill. And why is bipolar? I and user anndelise (who are not egos irrespective of what you type us) have issues with basically stable mood episodes, except mine are less severe.

[krieger]

did Bolt have another name change..?

[VILEvenezuelan]

Not intending to start a fire here. It seems I wasn't nearly thorough enough in the OP to make my thinking on this apparent to someone who lives outside my brain. I guess I misunderstood the nature of the theories section. More formal suggestion, less idea playground.

Rather than make more sensible to read, I'll just delete it and move on.

and labocat, ouch lol

I didn't realize it was that bad...

[anndelise]

Not intending to start a fire here. It seems I wasn't nearly thorough enough in the OP to make my thinking on this apparent to someone who lives outside my brain. I guess I misunderstood the nature of the theories section. More formal suggestion, less idea playground.

Rather than make more sensible to read, I'll just delete it and move on.

and labocat, ouch lol

I didn't realize it was that bad...

Stick it into your blog section?
Some people may talk w you on it.

[Aiss]

Um, I guess I can somehow understand where you're coming from, since I did some idle speculation about possible effect of difference in DMT level on N/S "score" myself. Nonetheless, Ashton and CKC are right, this kind of speculation requires hard evidence. And there's enough pseudoneuroscience bs such as left/right brain misconceptions etc. flying around. No need to add to it unless you have a really good reason.

[VILEvenezuelan]

Thanks for humoring me

One of my primary curiosities is in the similarity of the diagnostic criteria for ADHD and qualities associated with leading types. There is loads of alignment. It's as though the world as it is isn't exciting enough to trigger any reward, while the world of possibilities is a potentially unlimited reward space. When you throw a dopamine reuptake inhibitor into the mix, its fascinating how small things and sensory details become significant enough to trigger a reward response. I think there is a lot of interesting stuff here about neurodiversity and social definitions of normalcy.

Sadly, being at work makes all these posts shorter and more hurried than I'd like...

[Bardia]

The only connection that I would hypothesize is a relationship between dopamine and extraversion, though that may hold more true for classical extraversion rather than socionics extraversion. I don't really have evidence for that though.

[Atlast]

I would have been interested in seeing your thoughts, unfiltered or not, especially if you've already knowledge in that area. Speculation is always a good thing, the posters above seem to forget that every scientific experiment must come after this kind of speculation, for how else would we direct our scientific efforts? I see most of this topic as unreasonably hostile and attacking of ideas still in the unrefined stage, which must be passed to on the way to refinement

alas, I was too late to this topic! Hopefully you will leave your future posts to be read and possibly appreciated by those other than the first-readers

[Reuben]

Neurotransmitters cannot be used exclusively to understand or correlate with IMs. What is the OP?

[ClownsandEntropy]

I agree with Atlast! Even if you think your theory now to be completely wrong, I wouldn't mind being able to read it . It might spark some inspiration, or have some merit, or, at least, it will tell people what certain forum members think of such theories! (Perhaps, even, you could personally message me the previously printed post).

[Beautiful sky]

I understand what you're doing, combining two things to see if there's a pattern, into an idea; I don't agree with it for many reasons and observations, from having observed young children.

[Beautiful sky]

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PM when you get back

[Jinxi]

Yeah, science + pseudoscience. What a wonderful concoction!