Egalatarianism/Equalitarianism
I like egalatarianism, it has a very simple description which I can apply broadly to all situations.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...egalitarianism
1: a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
2: a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people
I think it's powerful because it doesn't set up individuals as opponents. Who's with me?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism
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And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest.
And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil.
One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear.
And terror possesed me then.
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"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
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You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust."
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They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul!
Damn you!
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The nature of inequality though is that one group holds disproportionate power over another, at some point in achieving equality you have to take power from one group and give it to the other. You can't be an egalitarian and not have to take sides.Originally Posted by InvisibleJim
+1
i'm trying to think about whether i agree with this and its hard to say. to get away from the feminist thing (before people start trolling me cuz they know i'll react lol), allowing gay marriage would give power to gay people without taking it away from anybody else. but i suppose having your relationships being sanctioned as healthy and normal while other peoples relationships are not is a form of power. but i still don't see gay rights issues as being a competition between straight people and gay people...(but somehow feminism is seen as a competition all the time..) what i'm trying to say is basically that to have equality doesn't necessarily mean stealing something.
It doesn't have to be a direct transfer of power, it was an oversimplification to put it in terms of taking it directly from one group to the other. But equal marriages are only possible where religion doesn't hold institutional or a significant amount of psychological power, so in that sense there has been a historical transfer of power from the religious (to dictate to others how to live their lives) to gay people (to decide for themselves).
I have no clue what this thread is about so I am going to read it. This post caught my eye
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
it's like when people complain about having Gay Pride Parades, with "why do gay people flaunt their sexuality in our faces, we don't have Straight Pride Parades!" well you do, you have them every day.
likewise, people complain about evolutionary biologists being really dogmatic about their beliefs, but they kind of need to be that in order to keep the balance. otherwise the dogmatism from the creationism crowd will win out.
etc.
I just posted this song in "what are you listening to" but it inspired this post so I am adding it as background music to enhance my mood.
I have come to the conclusion, over time, and experience, that we are not all created equal. People are born into poverty or with defects every day. Others into privilege but that doesn't mean they don't have their own problems. Some rich people have debilitating health problems or mental health problems....Think Howard Hughes. A blind man in the world of the seeing has a disadvantage in some ways but in other ways he has an advantage. He "sees" things that others don't. I had a blind family member so I know this is true.
We are not "equal". We are all different and I have seen the most disadvantaged people overcome all their obstacles and succeed because they knew they had to fight for what they want. I will never strive to be equal with anyone or accept that there is nothing I can do to change my own life. I prefer to keep my differences and know that I am the only person who can change my circumstances by making choices and sometimes they are hard choices. I am eternally grateful to those who gave me a helping hand out of any "gutters" I found myself in over the years, and there were plenty. I did it to myself though and sometimes there was no one there to pull me out. Then I had to make a choice and a plan to get myself out. I am always willing to pull someone out of their own "gutter". If asked, I will do anything in my power as long as it doesn't impact my sanity.
I want to be in a world that acknowledges difference but doesn't judge them negatively. If your friend, neighbor or a stranger needs something and you can spare it then give it to them without expectation and from personal experience I have seen that when you do this, it comes back to you. Maybe not from the same person but the universe will place someone in your world to help you if you need help. All you have to do is see the opportunity someone offers. Many times in the past I chose to ignore the opportunities offered me but I also took advantage of way more, than I ignored, because I am able to see things, the underlying benefits, and how they will effect my life in the future. Also I can see from my past what didn't work before and try a different approach. Sometimes it takes me a few repeats of the same cycle before I choose to get off my hamster wheel.
Anyway, "pay it forward", "Kumbaya" and all that other "good" stuff. I am in a gentle mood right now.
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
The key phrase was "at some point", i don't think equality is a zero sum exchange, it benefits everyone. I'm also interested in what you mean by bypassed/ignored power. Surely that isn't power by any conventional definition? examples pls.
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I agree with you, my basic point was using the term "egalitarian" to avoid setting people up as opponents is pretty pointless given there's always going to be an element of give and take in achieving equality.
Ah, but are you intending equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?
Lol. *whisper, whisper, cabal* *whisper, whisper, political coup'
I vote for the socialist republic of Judaism of the popular peoples front....
and the messiah
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
InvisibruJim
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
InvisibruJim
I prefer the peoples front of Judaisims popular socialist republic
Popular Judaisms front the republic of the socialist peoples
[I have no clue what any of it means but I went with it]
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I always felt like Egalitarianism was a good word, and referred to a free society. Equalitarianism, on the other hand, was about the tyranny of forced mediocrity. Maybe that's just my subjective perception of those terms.
The OP was a trap.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
can something always be placed in one category or another? i think arguments about stuff like minimum wage sometimes focus around whether its a matter of equal opportunity (you have to have a certain standard of living to begin with to reach the first rung of the ladder?) or a matter of socialism, wealth distribution, that kinda thing. so when it comes to @InvisibleJim's question earlier it seems more like semantics and a lot of people might say one or the other but have really different views if you asked more detailed questions. thats part of the problem with labels, lol.
That's all very nice and fine and wouldn't it be nice. But, you know. Dream on.
The circle of life. Some get eaten.
A wee bit if tension/conflict gets a ton more accomplished than any kumbaya moment ever has. I'm not against your yellow flag. But, I have to say this politics of modern egalitarianism is for the birds.
I'm a fan of John Locke and political rights, though. People don't realize the difference.
"Moral crusaders with zeal but no ethical understanding are likely to give us solutions that are worse than the problems."
Charles Colson, How Now Shall We Live?
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