American Beauty

[Ezra]

Lester: IEI
Carolyn: ESE
Jane: ILI
Ricky: IEI, but almost like a strange Se ego hybrid; Lester reacts well to what seems to be his strong Se "you just quit your job like that? I think you just became my hero" etc.
Angela: EIE
Col. Frank Fitts: LSI
Buddy: LSE
Barbara Fitts: EII

Some of those seem a bit off, but especially people like Lester I actually found pretty tough to type (although I think IEI isn't such a bad fit; he's clearly Se valuing, but weak in it, and he has these thoughts I'd attribute to Ni, like at the end of the film). Obviously Mrs. Fitts was pretty minor, but she still had enough screen time for me to care, and I think her relationship with her husband was evidently shit; so much so that they could easily be from opposing quadras, and the Colonel was definitely an LSI; a very good example of one, in fact. Jane I thought had weak, unvalued Fe, but that could just be because she's a moody teenager. However, I do think a) she reacted extremely poorly to her mother's Fe heavy way of life, and b) was Fi valuing (she seemed to be far more wary of those she hated and of those she loved than of anything else).

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

How does the closet homo have beta values though? Just explain that to me, because I'm confused. Honestly I don't have much experience with LSIs to know, but are you saying he's duals with the rather flamboyant, actor-y EIEs? Cause meh, I just don't see that. It's true, he hated his own homosexuality and probably anything 'diva-related' in his own persona, but I always viewed him as more Delta or even Gamma.

I don't know. They ARE hard to type. I think the colonel was too fucked up it was hard to tell. Because him being an actual homosexual is too interwoven with messy gender roles on top of everything, which might be where you're getting your well-meaning but (maybe) faulty impressions.

His wife being EII makes sense, I think.

Oh and even if he did eventually come in terms with his gayness (and I think of Robert Reed here in a similiar light) I think he would be much better off with a person who continued to view his homosexuality as serious & 'epic' rather than light-hearted and 'pssh, it's no big deal.' I think it was more complicated than him simply hating his own gayness. I think ironically, he loved it too much.

I think the whole concept of 'epic' is a beta quadra value but I'm not so sure on serious per se. That seems more gamma or delta. But I'm getting ahead of myself here.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Oh this is a good vid:

[Park]

The best fucking movie ever. Whatever type is Lester, that'd be me. And Kevin Spacey is a fucking genius.

[Ezra]

I do think that there is a chance Jane is IEI though, but I guess ILI can work.

Yeah, I agree with that. She was pretty tough to type, because she was pretty deadpan the whole way through.

How does the closet homo have beta values though? Just explain that to me, because I'm confused.

He was always rattling on about structure and discipline, Ti-related values. And I hardly think a Colonel would be Ne creative.

Kevin Spacey [the actor] was previously typed SEI. What I know of him myself is consistent with that typing.

I may be able to dig that typing. It could make some sense over IEI.

[Park]

Another type that has been suggested for Kevin Spacey in the past is SLI.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

He was always rattling on about structure and discipline, Ti-related values.

He wasn't psychologically/mentally healthy in the least bit though, so how is any of that relevance? In fact, he was written as a tortured victim who was never allowed to be his true self- and we never saw the real him, just a diluted/suburban view. If you take things matter-of-factly, I suppose on face value he's LSI but I doubt he was really like that. He was too much of a troubled individual to tell either way. (Which I realize might seem like I'm contradicting himself, as before I said I don't think he's totally opposite of himself just for the mere fact he's a closet case, but the point is we just don't know do we?)

Therefore, I think he's untypeable.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

He was always rattling on about structure and discipline, Ti-related values.

He wasn't psychologically/mentally healthy in the least bit though, so how is any of that relevant? In fact, he was written as a tortured victim who was never allowed to be his true self- and we never saw the real him, just a diluted/suburban view. If you take things matter-of-factly, I suppose on face value he's LSI but we can't tell if he's really like that since he spent his whole life covering himself up. He was too much of a troubled individual to tell either way. (Which I realize might seem like I'm contradicting himself, as before I said I don't think he's totally opposite of himself just for the mere fact he's a closet case, but the point is we just don't know do we?)

Therefore, I think he's untypeable.

[Park]

The Spacey interview is towards the end of the first clip.)

I have seen it. I think it mostly points towards creative. There wasn't much Si as I remember either.

[olduser]

carolyn is LIE. the reason the closet homo is typed LSI is because he is a typical LSI male movie stereotype(besides the homosexuality).

[Not A Communist Shill]

"It was one of those days when it's a minute away from snowing and there's this electricity in the air, you can almost hear it. And this bag was stuck in the throat of this swan. For fifteen minutes it was there choking and gagging, fighting for its life. It was absolutely hilarious. I nearly died laughing. And that's the day I knew there was this entire life behind things, and...this incredibly benevolent force, that wanted me to know there was no reason to be afraid, ever. Video's a poor excuse, I know. But it helps me remember... and I need to remember... Sometimes there's so much beauty in the world I feel like I can't take it, like my heart's going to cave in."

[Park]

"It was one of those days when it's a minute away from snowing and there's this electricity in the air, you can almost hear it. And this bag was stuck in the throat of this swan. For fifteen minutes it was there choking and gagging, fighting for its life. It was absolutely hilarious. I nearly died laughing. And that's the day I knew there was this entire life behind things, and...this incredibly benevolent force, that wanted me to know there was no reason to be afraid, ever. Video's a poor excuse, I know. But it helps me remember... and I need to remember... Sometimes there's so much beauty in the world I feel like I can't take it, like my heart's going to cave in."

Did you make the modifications?

[Ezra]

carolyn is LIE.

She's far too concerned with Fe to have it as a role function. And does saying "honey, stop being weird" while having a massive fake grin on your face in a social situation come across as a typical LIE comment to you?

the reason the closet homo is typed LSI is because he is a typical LSI male movie stereotype(besides the homosexuality).

So what do you think he is?

[olduser]

She's far too concerned with Fe to have it as a role function. And does saying "honey, stop being weird" while having a massive fake grin on your face in a social situation come across as a typical LIE comment to you?



So what do you think he is?

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yeah i am watching the movie and i think carolyn is EIE as she doesn't seem to derive pleasure from the Si tasks in which she engages as much as she enjoys creating the image of the perfect perfect. I think the colonel is LSI definitely.

[misutii]

Another type that has been suggested for Kevin Spacey in the past is SLI.

yah i thought in this movie he was either ILI or SLI. And his wife was either ESE or LSE

[Park]

yah i thought in this movie he was either ILI or SLI.

Maybe that's why I've identified with Lester so much, despite the fact that I was about his daughter's age when I saw it the first time. Anyhow, he is IP to the fullest.

[Ezra]

yeah i am watching the movie and i think carolyn is EIE as she doesn't seem to derive pleasure from the Si tasks in which she engages as much as she enjoys creating the image of the perfect perfect.

What about "Lester, don't spill beer on the couch"? Over-obsessiveness with Si.

yah i thought in this movie he was either ILI or SLI. And his wife was either ESE or LSE

If she is LSE, which I doubt she is, he couldn't be SLI. However, a conflicting or supervising relationship would make a lot of sense. They clearly have ridiculously different quadra values.

[tiny_dancer]

Lester: ILI
Carolyn: EIE
Jane: EII
Ricky Fitts: SLI
Angela: SEE
Colonel Fitts: LSI
His wife: EII
Buddy Kane: SLE
Gay couple: ESE-LII?

Those are my guesses. The end.

[Ezra]

Lester: ILI
Carolyn: EIE
Jane: EII
Ricky Fitts: SLI
Angela: SEE
Colonel Fitts: LSI
His wife: EII
Buddy Kane: SLE
Gay couple: ESE-LII?

Those are my guesses. The end.

Fuck that! How is Ricky SLI!? Did you not see the plastic bag in the wind scene? OVERLOAD OF FE! And the way Jane reacts - sorry, clear love of Fe.

[Park]

Did you not see the plastic bag in the wind scene? OVERLOAD OF FE! And the way Jane reacts - sorry, clear love of Fe.

I wouldn't agree. It has nothing to do with Fe. If anything, I'd call that Si. Or even Ni. It's about enjoying the basic nature and essence of things, and deriving a sense of pleasure and ease (both to the senses and mentally) by observing the spontaneous happenings in the material word and relating them to one's own inner world of emotions and meanings.

[tiny_dancer]

Fuck that! How is Ricky SLI!? Did you not see the plastic bag in the wind scene? OVERLOAD OF FE! And the way Jane reacts - sorry, clear love of Fe.

LOL It's not like SLIs don't express any feeling ever. The reason he expressed it there was because he felt very close to Jane. And she realized that he was allowing her to be close to him. That's the only time he expresses anything in the whole movie, except anger when Angela attempts to manipulate and belittle Jane for choosing him over her.

[Ezra]

I wouldn't agree. It has nothing to do with Fe. If anything, I'd call that Si. Or even Ni. It's about enjoying the basic nature and essence of things, and deriving a sense of pleasure and ease (both to the senses and mentally) by observing the spontaneous happenings in the material word and relating them to one's own inner world of emotions and meanings.

That's a kind of amalgamation of Si and Ni.

I'd be happier with ILI than SLI.

LOL It's not like SLIs don't express any feeling ever. The reason he expressed it there was because he felt very close to Jane. And she realized that he was allowing her to be close to him. That's the only time he expresses anything in the whole movie, except anger when Angela attempts to manipulate and belittle Jane for choosing him over her.

Okay, fair enough.

[Gilly]

Inner world of emotions has nothing to do with Fe?

[Park]

Inner world of emotions has nothing to do with Fe?

OK, it does. But not with "OVERLOAD OF FE" or "clear love of Fe", or any type of Fe valuing for that matter. Not in the case of Ricky Fitss, anyhow.

[Banana Pancakes]

Lester: SEI is my best guess, obviously IP, but I think He's Si > Ni
Carolyn: xIE - obviously EJ, but I don't think she's Si. She behaves in the way Si POLR behaves with things like the beer on the couch.
Jane: ILI sounds good, but maybe xII would work.
Ricky: IEI
Angela: this is the cheerleader, right? SEE
Col. Frank Fitts: LSI mos def
Buddy: not sure who that is
Barbara Fitts: EII

[Ezra]

Buddy: not sure who that is

He's the guy who shags Carolyn.

[IBTL]

Lester Burnham SLI
Carolyn Burnham LSI
Jane Burnham SEi
Angela Hayes IEI
Ricky Fitts ILI
Colonel Fitts LSE
Barbara Fitts EII
Buddy Kane LIE

[darya]

This is probably way off, but as far as I can remember:

Lester: SLI (SEI?)
Carolyn: LSI
Jane : IxI
Angela: EIE
Ricky ILI

[silke]

i remember thinking that this movie is one protracted 3w4 daydream, then I've decided to look up the director Sam Mendes and the screenwriter Alan Ball and it all became clear. rather heavy sp+soc and 3w4 imprints in the storyline and in the filming.

Lester: SEI (ILI/SLI could also work) sp-first
Carolyn: ESE sp/so (7?)
Jane: SEI sp/so
Angela: SEE-Fi
Ricky: LII-Ti 3w4
Colonel Fitts: LSE
his wife, Barbara: IEE-Fi
Buddy: 3w4

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