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    What's your type, and how creative would you say you are on a scale of 1-10 [1=creative like a doormat, and 10 = creative like Bob Dylan]?


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    Is creativity type-related?

    If not creativity itself, maybe different types of creativity or different manifestations are related to type... thoughts?
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    You people suck

    Anyway, this is a topic that interests me, so I'm gonna go ahead and post relevant articles here. Good times.

    The Creative Personality
    Creative individuals are remarkable for their ability to adapt to almost any situation and to make do with whatever is at hand to reach their goals.
    By Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, published on July 01, 1996 - last reviewed on October 14, 2008

    Of all human activities, creativity comes closest to providing the fulfillment we all hope to get in our lives. Call it full-blast living.

    Creativity is a central source of meaning in our lives. Most of the things that are interesting, important, and human are the result of creativity. What makes us different from apes—our language, values, artistic expression, scientific understanding, and technology—is the result of individual ingenuity that was recognized, rewarded, and transmitted through learning.

    When we're creative, we feel we are living more fully than during the rest of life. The excitement of the artist at the easel or the scientist in the lab comes close to the ideal fulfillment we all hope to get from life, and so rarely do. Perhaps only sex, sports, music, and religious ecstasy—even when these experiences remain fleeting and leave no trace—provide a profound sense of being part of an entity greater than ourselves. But creativity also leaves an outcome that adds to the richness and complexity of the future.

    I have devoted 30 years of research to how creative people live and work, to make more understandable the mysterious process by which they come up with new ideas and new things. Creative individuals are remarkable for their ability to adapt to almost any situation and to make do with whatever is at hand to reach their goals. If I had to express in one word what makes their personalities different from others, it's complexity. They show tendencies of thought and action that in most people are segregated. They contain contradictory extremes; instead of being an "individual," each of them is a "multitude."

    Here are the 10 antithetical traits often present in creative people that are integrated with each other in a dialectical tension.

    1. Creative people have a great deal of physical energy, but they're also often quiet and at rest. They work long hours, with great concentration, while projecting an aura of freshness and enthusiasm. This suggests a superior physical endowment, a genetic advantage. Yet it is surprising how often individuals who in their seventies and eighties exude energy and health remember childhoods plagued by illness. It seems that their energy is internally generated, due more to their focused minds than to the superiority of their genes.

    This does not mean that creative people are hyperactive, always "on." In fact, they rest often and sleep a lot. The important thing is that they control their energy; it's not ruled by the calendar, the dock, an external schedule. When necessary, they can focus it like a laser beam; when not, creative types immediately recharge their batteries. They consider the rhythm of activity followed by idleness or reflection very important for the success of their work. This is not a bio-rhythm inherited with their genes; it was learned by trial and error as a strategy for achieving their goals.

    One manifestation of energy is sexuality. Creative people are paradoxical in this respect also. They seem to have quite a strong dose of eros, or generalized libidinal energy, which some express directly into sexuality. At the same time, a certain spartan celibacy is also a part of their makeup; continence tends to accompany superior achievement. Without eros, it would be difficult to take life on with vigor; without restraint, the energy could easily dissipate.
    2. Creative people tend to be smart yet naive at the same time. How smart they actually are is open to question. It is probably true that what psychologists call the "g factor," meaning a core of general intelligence, is high among people who make important creative contributions.

    The earliest longitudinal study of superior mental abilities, initiated at Stanford University by the psychologist Lewis Terman in 1921, shows rather conclusively that children with very high IQs do well in life, but after a certain point IQ does not seem to be correlated any longer with superior performance in real life. Later studies suggest that the cutoff point is around 120; it might be difficult to do creative work with a lower IQ, but an IQ beyond 120 does not necessarily imply higher creativity.

    Another way of expressing this dialectic is the contrasting poles of wisdom and childishness. As Howard Gardner remarked in his study of the major creative geniuses of this century, a certain immaturity, both emotional and mental, can go hand in hand with deepest insights. Mozart comes immediately to mind.

    Furthermore, people who bring about an acceptable novelty in a domain seem able to use well two opposite ways of thinking: the convergent and the divergent. Convergent thinking is measured by IQ tests, and it involves solving well-defined, rational problems that have one correct answer. Divergent thinking leads to no agreed-upon solution. It involves fluency, or the ability to generate a great quantity of ideas; flexibility, or the ability to switch from one perspective to another; and originality in picking unusual associations of ideas. These are the dimensions of thinking that most creativity tests measure and that most workshops try to enhance.

    Yet there remains the nagging suspicion that at the highest levels of creative achievement the generation of novelty is not the main issue. People often claimed to have had only two or three good ideas in their entire career, but each idea was so generative that it kept them busy for a lifetime of testing, filling out, elaborating, and applying.

    Divergent thinking is not much use without the ability to tell a good idea from a bad one, and this selectivity involves convergent thinking.

    Creative people combine playfulness and discipline, or responsibility and irresponsibility. There is no question that a playfully light attitude is typical of creative individuals. But this playfulness doesn't go very far without its antithesis, a quality of doggedness, endurance, perseverance.

    Nina Holton, whose playfully wild germs of ideas are the genesis of her sculpture, is very firm about the importance of hard work: "Tell anybody you're a sculptor and they'll say, 'Oh, how exciting, how wonderful.' And I tend to say, 'What's so wonderful?' It's like being a mason, or a carpenter, half the time. But they don't wish to hear that because they really only imagine the first part, the exciting part. But, as Khrushchev once said, that doesn't fry pancakes, you see. That germ of an idea does not make a sculpture which stands up. It just sits there. So the next stage is the hard work. Can you really translate it into a piece of sculpture?"

    Jacob Rabinow, an electrical engineer, uses an interesting mental technique to slow himself down when work on an invention requires more endurance than intuition: "When I have a job that takes a lot of effort, slowly, I pretend I'm in jail. If I'm in jail, time is of no consequence. In other words, if it takes a week to cut this, it'll take a week. What else have I got to do? I'm going to be here for twenty years. See? This is a kind of mental trick. Otherwise you say, 'My God, it's not working,' and then you make mistakes. My way, you say time is of absolutely no consequence."

    Despite the carefree air that many creative people affect, most of them work late into the night and persist when less driven individuals would not. Vasari wrote in 1550 that when Renaissance painter Paolo Uccello was working out the laws of visual perspective, he would walk back and forth all night, muttering to himself: "What a beautiful thing is this perspective!" while his wife called him back to bed with no success.
    # Creative people alternate between imagination and fantasy, and a rooted sense of reality. Great art and great science involve a leap of imagination into a world that is different from the present. The rest of society often views these new ideas as fantasies without relevance to current reality. And they are right. But the whole point of art and science is to go beyond what we now consider real and create a new reality. At the same time, this "escape" is not into a never-never land. What makes a novel idea creative is that once we see it, sooner or later we recognize that, strange as it is, it is true.

    Most of us assume that artists—musicians, writers, poets, painters—are strong on the fantasy side, whereas scientists, politicians, and businesspeople are realists. This may be true in terms of day-to-day routine activities. But when a person begins to work creatively, all bets are off.
    # Creative people tend to be both extroverted and introverted. We're usually one or the other, either preferring to be in the thick of crowds or sitting on the sidelines and observing the passing show. In fact, in psychological research, extroversion and introversion are considered the most stable personality traits that differentiate people from each other and that can be reliably measured. Creative individuals, on the other hand, seem to exhibit both traits simultaneously.
    # Creative people are humble and proud at the same time. It is remarkable to meet a famous person who you expect to be arrogant or supercilious, only to encounter self-deprecation and shyness instead. Yet there are good reasons why this should be so. These individuals are well aware that they stand, in Newton's words, "on the shoulders of giants." Their respect for the area in which they work makes them aware of the long line of previous contributions to it, putting their own in perspective. They're also aware of the role that luck played in their own achievements. And they're usually so focused on future projects and current challenges that past accomplishments, no matter how outstanding, are no longer very interesting to them. At the same time, they know that in comparison with others, they have accomplished a great deal. And this knowledge provides a sense of security, even pride.
    # Creative people, to an extent, escape rigid gender role stereotyping. When tests of masculinity/femininity are given to young people, over and over one finds that creative and talented girls are more dominant and tough than other girls, and creative boys are more sensitive and less aggressive than their male peers.

    This tendency toward androgyny is sometimes understood in purely sexual terms, and therefore it gets confused with homosexuality. But psychological androgyny is a much wider concept referring to a person's ability to be at the same time aggressive and nurturant, sensitive and rigid, dominant and submissive, regardless of gender. A psychologically androgynous person in effect doubles his or her repertoire of responses. Creative individuals are more likely to have not only the strengths of their own gender but those of the other one, too.
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    Creative people are both rebellious and conservative. It is impossible to be creative without having first internalized an area of culture. So it's difficult to see how a person can be creative without being both traditional and conservative and at the same time rebellious and iconoclastic. Being only traditional leaves an area unchanged; constantly taking chances without regard to what has been valued in the past rarely leads to novelty that is accepted as an improvement. The artist Eva Zeisel, who says that the folk tradition in which she works is "her home," nevertheless produces ceramics that were recognized by the Museum of Modern Art as masterpieces of contemporary design. This is what she says about innovation for its own sake:

    "This idea to create something is not my aim. To be different is a negative motive, and no creative thought or created thing grows out of a negative impulse. A negative impulse is always frustrating. And to be different means 'not like this' and 'not like that.' And the 'not like'—that's why postmodernism, with the prefix of 'post,' couldn't work. No negative impulse can work, can produce any happy creation. Only a positive one."

    But the willingness to take risks, to break with the safety of tradition, is also necessary. The economist George Stigler is very emphatic in this regard: "I'd say one of the most common failures of able people is a lack of nerve. They'll play safe games. In innovation, you have to play a less safe game, if it's going to be interesting. It's not predictable that it'll go well."
    # Most creative people are very passionate about their work, yet they can be extremely objective about it as well. Without the passion, we soon lose interest in a difficult task. Yet without being objective about it, our work is not very good and lacks credibility. Here is how the historian Natalie Davis puts it:

    "I think it is very important to find a way to be detached from what you write, so that you can't be so identified with your work that you can't accept criticism and response, and that is the danger of having as much affect as I do. But I am aware of that and of when I think it is particularly important to detach oneself from the work, and that is something where age really does help."
    # Creative people's openness and sensitivity often exposes them to suffering and pain, yet also to a great deal of enjoyment. Most would agree with Rabinow's words: "Inventors have a low threshold of pain. Things bother them." A badly designed machine causes pain to an inventive engineer, just as the creative writer is hurt when reading bad prose.

    Being alone at the forefront of a discipline also leaves you exposed and vulnerable. Eminence invites criticism and often vicious attacks. When an artist has invested years in making a sculpture, or a scientist in developing a theory, it is devastating if nobody cares.

    Deep interest and involvement in obscure subjects often goes unrewarded, or even brings on ridicule. Divergent thinking is often perceived as deviant by the majority, and so the creative person may feel isolated and misunderstood.

    Perhaps the most difficult thing for creative individuals to bear is the sense of loss and emptiness they experience when, for some reason, they cannot work. This is especially painful when a person feels his or her creativity drying out.

    Yet when a person is working in the area of his of her expertise, worries and cares fall away, replaced by a sense of bliss. Perhaps the most important quality, the one that is most consistently present in all creative individuals, is the ability to enjoy the process of creation for its own sake. Without this trait, poets would give up striving for perfection and would write commercial jingles, economists would work for banks where they would earn at least twice as much as they do at universities, and physicists would stop doing basic research and join industrial laboratories where the conditions are better and the expectations more predictable.

    From Creativity: The Work and Lives of 91 Eminent People, by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, published by HarperCollins, 1996.

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    I'm SLE and I'm the most creative person ever invented by god.

    On a more serious note, I'm far more creative If I have a specific goal in mind. I.E. I need to get a Frisbee off the roof I'll probably be able to keep coming up with ideas until I actually get it. Or if I wan't to make some one laugh, same deal.

    Also my creativity really depends on my mood, though that's true of most things. If I'm not happy I'm not as creative, or fun, or anything really. That's why I really like positive upbeat people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    I'm SLE and I'm the most creative person ever invented by god.
    Nah, you just have an inflated ego to make up for your small cock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    Nah, you just have an inflated ego to make up for your small cock.
    Totally untrue, my cock is just longer than my pinky finger when it's erect and I'm more proud of it than I would be if I had a son and he won the Tour de France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoapOfSapphire View Post
    What's your type, and how creative would you say you are on a scale of 1-10 [1=creative like a doormat, and 10 = creative like Bob Dylan]?
    LII, yellow

    Quote Originally Posted by SoapOfSapphire View Post
    Is creativity type-related?
    How the creativity most likely manifests itself I think is. How much creativity one has, no. I don't think there is a most or least creative type but I think some types are more prone to be creative in certain realms.

    I think alot of people see creativity in terms of artistic creativity. Like painting, composing music, writing poetry, etc. If people aren't creative in those areas, they may think they're not creative. But there are lots of other kinds of creativity-- coming up with a new scientific theory, dealing effectively with a difficult person, coming up with a new use for an everyday object, being able to cook an awesome meal from scratch with a limited amount of ingredients and no recipes to guide you, etc, etc.

    As for myself, I don't see myself as artistically creative at all. I don't have much desire or need to paint, compose music, write poetry, etc. But I do like to create my own theories, come up with new uses for things, think of ways to better logically organize ideas and concepts, which I think are all related to +
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    If it means writing or witty speech, I would give myself a 7-7.5.

    Other than that, I am pretty much lame, except when I used to think of creative solutions to programming problems.
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    IEI-8, struggling to get to 10. How creative one considers one's self will have a weak correlation to S/N and T/F. Se and Te are the least likely to consider themselves creative and Ni and Ne are probably the most likely to consider themselves creative. But that's almost entirely are result of culture. What one considers creative is more type related than whether or not one is capable of some form of creativity, inventiveness, etc.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamicism View Post
    I'd feel like I were full of myself if I honestly tried to answer the question. And beyond that even, it just feels too pointless of a question to answer in my mind. And I'm thinking things like "Well, how would one even define creativity—really? Should we be valuing it in and of itself? Or must it render something of beauty, truth, or utility?"

    I don't know. Considerations of so-called "creativity" just seem like an irrelevant distraction to me. Whenever I've admired a work, it's because there's something in it/about it which seems to go far beyond any question of its creativity—whatever that could be called.
    Eh. It's a term like every other term. Useful sometimes, non-useful other times. I do think it's become a rather weak metaphor in english though. My favorite use of the word creative today is as a euphemism for "bad" or "incompetent." As in, "Hey, look, my daughter wrote a poem!" "Oh... look she rhymed ugly with fugly... um... how... creative!"
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

    Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoapOfSapphire View Post
    What's your type, and how creative would you say you are on a scale of 1-10 [1=creative like a doormat, and 10 = creative like Bob Dylan]?
    INTj --- 9 (not quite like Bob Dylan )


    Quote Originally Posted by SoapOfSapphire View Post
    Is creativity type-related?

    If not creativity itself, maybe different types of creativity or different manifestations are related to type... thoughts?
    Yes, different types of creativity are type related. Creativity is highly dependent on the creative function as its name suggests:

    Ti-creative (ENTp and ESTp): create logical systems or plans
    Fi-creative (ENFp and ESFp): creatively get along with nearly everyone
    Te-creative (INTp and ISTp): creative when earning money
    Fe-creative (INFp and ISFp): creative emotions to make others feel better
    Ni-creative (ENFj and ENTj): create problems where there are not any
    Ne-creative (INTj and INFj): create scientific breakthroughs
    Si-creative (ESFj and ESTj): creative concerning sensory experiences
    Se-creative (ISTj and ISFj): create order everywhere

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    Yes I am creative, also beautiful smart rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Yes I am creative, also beautiful smart rich
    can you cook?
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    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post
    Yes, different types of creativity are type related. Creativity is highly dependent on the creative function as its name suggests:

    Ti-creative (ENTp and ESTp): create logical systems or plans
    Fi-creative (ENFp and ESFp): creatively get along with nearly everyone
    Te-creative (INTp and ISTp): creative when earning money
    Fe-creative (INFp and ISFp): creative emotions to make others feel better
    Ni-creative (ENFj and ENTj): create problems where there are not any
    Ne-creative (INTj and INFj): create scientific breakthroughs
    Si-creative (ESFj and ESTj): creative concerning sensory experiences
    Se-creative (ISTj and ISFj): create order everywhere
    Almost perfect. I'd add that subtype might affect the expression of creativity, especially Creative subtype, as its name suggests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    can you cook?
    cook wash dishes repair cars, build dishashers trains
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    can you cook?
    no but my butler is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    no but my butler is pretty good.
    Can I marry your butler?

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    Ti-creative (ENTp and ESTp): create logical systems or plans
    Fi-creative (ENFp and ESFp): creatively get along with nearly everyone
    Te-creative (INTp and ISTp): creative when earning money
    Fe-creative (INFp and ISFp): creative emotions to make others feel better
    Ni-creative (ENFj and ENTj): create problems where there are not any
    Ne-creative (INTj and INFj): create scientific breakthroughs
    Si-creative (ESFj and ESTj): creative concerning sensory experiences
    Se-creative (ISTj and ISFj): create order everywhere

    This post is shit because it turns the word "creativity" into a very general concept which says nothing more about types than socionics did anyways. Colorful ways of defining the creative function of different types (or in other words, half assed generalizations) won't say anything about any correlation between types and creativity.

    When it comes to the end result, even inside a single artistic discipline there's very little that can be said between different types. I will use an example in which i am actually competent so that i won't talking out of my ass: music. I affirm that people of any type can write music of any genre (in any tempo, key, with any instruments combinations, containing any modulations, etc) based on my experience of having played with a lot of musicians (and having known even more that i haven't played with). Would anyone here seriously have the nerve to pretend he could type people by scores of music they wrote? If yes, i will be a willing score contributor. Now you can say "What about the stage presence?" or other similar questions, but the fact is that it becomes the same thing as typing someone you know, almost regardless of their creations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    This post is shit because it turns the word "creativity" into a very general concept which says nothing more about types than socionics did anyways.
    1.) Creativity actually is a very general concept in socionics because every type has a creative function.
    2.) It was my intention to say nothing more than socionics says about creativity. Isn't this a socionics forum or did I miss something?

    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    Colorful ways of defining the creative function of different types (or in other words, half assed generalizations) won't say anything about any correlation between types and creativity.
    Why not? I just wanted to clarify that every type can be creative. ISTj and ISFj "create order everywhere" because Se is their creative function. But creating order is not really what people think of when they hear the term "creativity". Creativity as most people use this term is primarily Ne-related. That's why Gulenko also calls the subtype with strengthened Ne "creative subtype". So Alpha-NTs and Delta-NFs are the most "creative" types if you ask me...

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    about a 1 or a 2 on meds. Off meds, maybe a little bit higher. I do strive to be creative though and I'm still a logical type, so I should have some originality in me. I'm more verbally creative and creative with systemizing and can be creative with my questions than visually creative though. I'd rather be visually creative. I've been creative and bizarre with my sexual fetishes but I've lost track of just about all of them.

    But me having artistic talent? I wish.
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    If we're setting Bob Dylan as a 10 then we're not going to be assessing the full potential of humanity. Seriously though, I find measuring creativity to be kind of stupid given how localized it tends to be. Ask a musician about politics and you'll get some banal takes, very uncreative views. Ask an inventor about music, they'd compose a harmonica ditty akin to Mary Had a Little Lamb. Measuring creativity is ironically uncreative. You're either outputting or you're not. That's my take.

    So this is stupid.

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