OK Maritsa, so what type do you think I am now?
You said you no longer think I'm IEE. I'm curious what type you think I am now.
I'm hoping you're already aware that I don't think you have any credibility and I won't take what you say seriously, but just in case, I'll put that out there. I'm really just curious anyway.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
SEE.Originally Posted by Slacker
Well if you pick a personality and tell her hard enough she'll confirm it.
Taunting other members, and telling them to dance for your amusement...
Is wrong.
It's okay, she thinks I'm IEE. You don't want to be grouped with me. I mean, ew.
more like take it to wall-posts plz
I wish I were female so I could be sure maritsa would type me SEE.
Make a fake account, introduce yourself as a girl, and then just wait.
"Use every ounce of potential you have, raise revolution against what people expect of you, and tell the world this is not a rehearsal. This is the real me. And listen up, ‘cause it could be the most honest incarnation yet."
I love you. I love that you just get me. You know that I don't do humor and that I need someone in my life who supplements that; I didn't and I don't have to tell you things about me; you just perceive them; you make the character of me that I don't explicitly say that I am and I love that about you; that is your Ne and the fact that I feel so comfortable with you in the very short time that I've known you makes me feel that I can share a comfortable relationship with you. I do type you IEE and I'm not changing my mind and you probably don't want me to either
I don't care what type you are; the fact that you're too busy not coming to a conclusion and mulling over endless nonsensical possibilities without considering that I am EII is enough for me to decide on the comfort of the relationship that I have with you. You're not a comfortable relationship with me because I take what I do very seriously and you make every effort to knock me, which is the same to me as imposing your will on me; it hurts my feelings; you hurt my feelings and I have the good sense to feel Se when it comes rolling around.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 05-23-2012 at 02:33 AM.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
+ retarded.
It's less that I don't do humor on your behalf and more that my jokes just go over your head.I love you. I love that you just get me. You know that I don't do humor and that I need someone in my life who supplements that; I didn't and I don't have to tell you things about me; you just perceive them; you make the character of me that I don't explicitly say that I am and I love that about you; that is your Ne and the fact that I feel so comfortable with you in the very short time that I've known you makes me feel that I can share a comfortable relationship with you. I do type you IEE and I'm not changing my mind and you probably don't want me to either[
Most jokes do, in general. But I got what you were saying here. Again you're doing Ne because I get your concepts. Things you say don't go over my head. I'm just following my own agenda.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ne doms only have one agenda; their wanderlust. Everyone else must be wrong - the ultimate and most juvenile of counter-rationalisations.
Mirrors are not supposed to be a totally comfortable relationship. There is actually some degree of repulsion to it.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
What? to convince people to accept your master's flawed physiognomy techniques? We know about that...
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
So do Ne creatives.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You define Se as "people who don't like Maritsa", which is a bit of a flaw in your typing system.
I thought this thread would amuse me, but it turned out to be boring.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Slacker, I type you SEE type. I don't type you Se and SEE because I don't like you or because you don't like me; I type you SEE, Se base, because you have the complete inability to accurately asses a good understanding of Ne; to grasp it's essence and to apply it correctly; for lessons on that, please follow Fox's posts.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I like your comment; she does not like to come to merging of her ideas into one conclusion; she just goes round and round on ideas. Good observation.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Hm. Martisa, why did it take you 3 years being on the forum to type her? I mean, to type her correctly cause you had her IEE confirm before. It takes you 5 minutes to type other people.
I don't know why you're doing this all the time. I don't even know how to call it.
That is indicative of Ne - conclusions are not the goal in an argument. Considering the possibilities is. And Slacker is really only forceful when annoyed, which is human and not type-related.
One by one Delta NFs who clash with Maritsa and question her type get re-typed (Minde, Slacker, Ann, etc.). Really, isn't that a HUGE indicator?? I am surprised I am still IEE, to be honest.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
SEE, "hay, she must be this type because she's doing this." It's just them noticing what they see.
IEE, "hay, you must be this type afterall because you do this." change of opinion, or confirming something they thought initially.
(static) perceives outward sensory data projected by objects. Unless objects change their appearance significantly, the impression will not change.
Watch my videos and see what overall impression of me you get.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 05-24-2012 at 05:53 AM.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I really don't see her do that except perhaps in discussions with Maritsa. And in that case, it's because Maritsa absolutely refuses to even consider alternative viewpoints. Being stuck on repeat is what you easily end up doing when you deal with a stubborn supervisee.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Unfortunately, she doesn't just tell them to eat shit and die or ignore them.
She does. She also bullies them, stalks them, and doesn't respect their opinions. Maritsa really isn't a victim.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
So how do you see the use ofMaybe a supervisee would repeat arguments, that's certainly a valid point, though I still get this vague almost leadership social forcefulness from Slacker's writings when I come across her posts and I don't often see that much use of
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Shayley doesn't know me and I accidentally offended her at one point, so I understand that. And Maritsa calls every IEE SEE so that's cool. Does anyone else think I'm SEE?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
My inner troll is urging me to raise my hand...
IEE-Ne
Is that because you think I'm SEE or because you like stiring stuff up? LOL
I'm especially curious if anyone who knows me really well (well from here anyway) thinks I'm SEE. And do you think my husband is something other than SLI, or that we aren't duals? Maybe people think he's ILI from what I've said about him?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Well I do like stiring things up, I don't see anything in how you behave that points to SEE>IEE, any behaviours pointed out by others are either not apparant to me/ do not seem indicative of Se/ or can be explained as purely situational rather than being typical of your general behaviour and self reports.
So I think it is reasonable to say that you are most likely an SEE.
IEE-Ne
I think you come off as very IEE, Slaker. At least in chatbox, which is the only place I know you from. You're nothing like SEEs, but very similar to other IEEs, like WorkaholicsAnon and a friend of mine.
Why does Maritsa type me as an Fi type when I'm the only one who is very NOT Fi-creative. You can have my Ne-Fi if you want. Maybe I'll make a type-me thread now that I've been around for a while, and we can see if I come off as more Fi than I think, though I am very clearly Fe-mobilizing.
For evidence, I submit your two hour long conversation about tomato plants, what to do with them, why to plant them vs buying them, why would you get them as a gift, what else can be planted, and something about earth boxes. That entire conversation was very delta Ne.
NeP types are static perceiving types. They don't immediately assess the information that comes in, they wait on assessing the info until a relatively consistent pattern appears, or in the case of Fi, until their value system gets triggered. THEN they start assessing. The more Ne the person, the longer it takes to reach assessing stage, because there are still too many possibilities it could be. The more Fi (in IEE), the sooner the assessing stage is reached.
Ne/Si types are also judicious types. They don't rush to make a decision. And will take time to think over the info. (Note: IEE may rush into action, but that's related to the traits in the second paragraph after this one.)
EN types are carefree types..."careless" to some... Basically preferring to approach each situation as if it is a new one. But even an IEE can see the pattern Maritsa sets when she types people according to whether or not she gets them to do what she wants them to do... If you resist her manipulative efforts and her assertions, you must be Se. If she resists your efforts to help her see more alternatives or to help her gain a better insight into what's happening, or resist her subjective opinions, then she labels you Se. This pattern becomes more and more obvious each time a Delta NF tries to interact with Maritsa.
But also, IEE are extroverted irrationals making them reactive when certain values are hit;
ethical types in that they better perceive the emotional and psychological concerns;
Ti logical polrs which means that when THEY see bullshit illogical crap...that means it's REALLY bad stuff being spewed out;
Object-oriented Tacticians who prefer to get in there and start acting on things rather than plan every fucking thing out first;
All Combined with emotivism in which they perceive the emotional implications first
Helps make IEE also subject to acting on the whims of their emotions.
IEE are also objective obstinate types. When they finally do draw a conclusion, it won't take subjective bullshit to change their minds, but objective information, and/or info drawn from objective experiences.
Imo, Slacker has shown and described these traits and interaction styles in nearly every post she makes. Even when she gets angry about something someone else is doing, and reacts to them in an aggressivish manner...the aggression is short lived; but even what she says either expresses a value...and/or another way of looking at something. She may semi-regularly respond to specific individuals in an aggressivish manner, but that's only after that person has regularly and consistently shown themselves to act like an ass to others. Once the person stops acting like an ass, Slacker stops acting aggressive towards them. imo, any 'social leadership' Slacker might show is in relation to the above.
@Slacker, I have no doubts in seeing you as NeFi;
and your descriptions of your husband and his interactions with yourself and others seem to fit SiTe, imo.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Two hours? Really?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Exaggerated for effect.
LOL Ok. I wondered how I came up with two hours of uninterrupted time. LOL.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I don't know you really, REALLY, R E A L L Y well, but I have interacted with you a lot in chat in the past. To me, you seem ENFp, and quite a few people I see as having that type IRL can be forceful and go "round and round" in the sense that from my pov, Te valuers who are not Te doms seem not like they *have* possession of facts, but they state things in a factual manner and dig in (and actually, I do this also sometimes). It's not the same as arguing in circles, however. I guess this means I find you stubborn in a not-unpleasant way, lol.
I also don't see how you could be Ni-valuing. And you don't seem SEE to me at all. Et cetera.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
That's another thing that Ne types do; exaggerate for effect and something I don't see in Slacker, nor do I notice of other SEE that I've typed thus far.Exaggerated for effect.
I will point out qualities, characteristics, and traits that are particular or prominent of one type more than another.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Amen.
You really need to just stop.
Easy Day
Who says? You?
Fuck you.
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