You know Capone
Batman
Gotham City
American Gothic-esque Architecture
Thick Brick Buildings
Black Hats
Speak Easys
Big Shot
Deep Dish Pizza
Or whatever else comes to mind
What type is this ethos?
Integral Type of Chicago 1930's
You know Capone
Batman
Gotham City
American Gothic-esque Architecture
Thick Brick Buildings
Black Hats
Speak Easys
Big Shot
Deep Dish Pizza
Or whatever else comes to mind
What type is this ethos?
*spock face* would this be an appropriate time to say "your mom"?
sure why notOriginally Posted by Loki
Bad guys: SLE, LSI
Good guys: ESI, ILI
lol
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
SLE-Se, all the way. Beta in general.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
i kind of don't understand this topic... it reminds me of the movie Sin City though and that sort of feel... i thought Sin City was rather Beta (the feel of it, not just the film).
I don't see much Seriousness underlying a gangster-dominant culture, tbh.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
you say this like it should be obvious and i don't think its as simple as you seem to think it is. i'm not saying you're right and i'm wrong because i don't think there's a "correct" answer to the OP and i don't feel very strongly about it anyway. its just that you have this air of authority and "this is obvious"-ness to your typings and ideas that i don't really get. and you seem to have a Fe-fun and Fi-polite, Te-facts and Ti-logic sort of view towards the elements which i think can make things very clear and easy but is ultimately unhelpful for really understanding. and i think you"ll probably just think i'm talking shit or something, but seriously, i think it would help you to be a little less dogmatic.
Yea Noir really goes will with Gamma but you can't deny the Beta
what is the link between beta Se and underground crime? maybe its obvious, but would you mind humoring me?Yea Noir really goes will with Gamma but you can't deny the Beta
if its just the "feel" of it, thats cool. thats all i was going for with the gamma association, anyway. i'm just wary of these associations being intended in an explicit sort of way, at least without justification.
Gamma:
ILI/ESI Fits the temperament
SEE - Entertainer / Socialite
LIE - Schemers? / IRS?
Beta Se:
LSI - Corrupt authorities
SLE - Criminals fighting for territory / General law breakers
Last edited by EyeSeeCold; 12-06-2010 at 10:06 PM.
It's kind of hard to be sensible to an ultra-precise laser precision kind of level with this topic, its typing an ethos, a zeitgeist, an era. So it would help if you could reference what you are thinking when you give a typing.
Like "In the movie 'The Untouchables' Eliot Ness was portrayed as a Gamma ESI, while Capone and his men were depicted as largerly beta, therefore I consider the typing to be Gamma-Beta"
or something to this effect, I think it would reduce a lot of confusion and potential arguments.
Personally I think its Beta.
For some intuitive reasons I've always related
beta
that covers it (i now understand this topic)
I think of 1930s Chicago as Gamma and Beta... Se criminal/police wars.
The architecture was a hodge-podge, but the big commissions of that time were somewhat backward looking in terms of ornamentation (for example, the tribune tower is idealized gothic. Wrigley building is kind of neo-classical.) I can see how that fits with Ni.
Gamma > Beta, I think. It was a time of individual opportunity where agreements between people and business deals were key to success. Beta times revolve more around collective movements. The 1940s were Beta.
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